Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trump’s Scottish resort

[FA_Q2]

It is very routine for C-17s to land at a commercial airbase.

I have worked on them for a decade and we almost always stopped at a small airport in England or Germany. Rarely we would stop at Ramstein when going to the ME on our fist stop. Never stopped in Lakenheath though that would seem to be another good option. Further, it is not the president that determines where the crew stays. It is not command that determines where the crew stays. It is not even regulated where they stay. The crew is given a max allowance to spend per night on hotels and THEY CHOOSE where they want to stay.

Finally, 18 pages later, has anyone shown anywhere that Trump had anything to do with this whatsoever? The thread seems to be about a SINGLE occurrence. You have got to be kidding me. ONCE this happened and suddenly people think that Trump ordered it to what? Make 500 bucks with a single visit to his resort?

This is birther level of asshattery. Not really surprising from the Hannity of the left....

Very good

If it that simple, why hasn’t the Pentagon replied to requests since April?
If they are saving money by landing in Scotland, why not show it?

Who said anything about saving money? I guarantee they spent a lot more. The pentagon likely does not want to admit how shitty their system is for these types of flights. None of that changes the fact that the outrage here is based on non-facts and utter ignorance on how this works.

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

 

[Crepitus]

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I'll give ya my spot.

 

[mudwhistle]

It is very routine for C-17s to land at a commercial airbase.

I have worked on them for a decade and we almost always stopped at a small airport in England or Germany. Rarely we would stop at Ramstein when going to the ME on our fist stop. Never stopped in Lakenheath though that would seem to be another good option. Further, it is not the president that determines where the crew stays. It is not command that determines where the crew stays. It is not even regulated where they stay. The crew is given a max allowance to spend per night on hotels and THEY CHOOSE where they want to stay.

Finally, 18 pages later, has anyone shown anywhere that Trump had anything to do with this whatsoever? The thread seems to be about a SINGLE occurrence. You have got to be kidding me. ONCE this happened and suddenly people think that Trump ordered it to what? Make 500 bucks with a single visit to his resort?

This is birther level of asshattery. Not really surprising from the Hannity of the left....

We used to stay in hotels in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.....but that changed in 91 under the Bush cutbacks. Every once in awhile we stayed in hotels....but only because they didn't have any place for us on bases.

That has changed since then. Were you crew though? That makes a massive difference. Passengers and maintenance always got screwed. There were myriads of examples where the crew would use crew rest to claim they could not stay on base and get some posh hotel off base.

There are some rather serious problems with crew and how they are able to bilk the system.

I was always a passenger deploying overseas.

 

[leftwinger]

You did that you moron. As soon as you went to the classic " But OBAMA" maneuver you linked them. Every time you use the actions of Obama to excuse the actions of Trump you are essentially saying they are no different

Take a look down below little man. Can’t say you were not warned. My patience is short these days. Phiron goes too, next offense.

The fat boy made $1mm out of the stop?

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

Congratulations. You finally got on the list with your butt-buddy MAC. I think you went on once and back off, now on again. phirion has you to thank for the quick hook on her. Might have gone overlooked.....

Can anyone translate this snowflake talk for me? What the hell is this guy talking about? What list?

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

You are lucky - next time you wont have to wast time on idiocy as he wont see your post to respond

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

List warning on FA for spreading falsehoods. If you don’t know keep quiet.

 

[edward37]

Very good

If it that simple, why hasn’t the Pentagon replied to requests since April?
If they are saving money by landing in Scotland, why not show it?

Who said anything about saving money? I guarantee they spent a lot more. The pentagon likely does not want to admit how shitty their system is for these types of flights. None of that changes the fact that the outrage here is based on non-facts and utter ignorance on how this works.

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

No outrage More like disappointment Disappointment that any republican is afraid to speak out against what may be the worst disaster ever to enter our WH

 

[ph3iron]

Good point.
But

Bullshit

Military buys jet fuel in gigantic purchases. If you ever really worked for me the military, you would know they get the best price on commodities

This airport has a dedicated military FBO and chance are it has contracts already with the military.

I should have dug further, as should you

is this a first?
With pences Irish debacle, makes you wonder
And "if you are not smart enough to get a real job, join the military, great indoctrination and commie benefits"?
Unbelievable cowardly population we have.
Huge military expenses cowering on a huge island where no one can get to.
One 2000 casualty and we spend trillions.
Ask the Russians who lost 20 MILLION

 

[leftwinger]

Who said anything about saving money? I guarantee they spent a lot more. The pentagon likely does not want to admit how shitty their system is for these types of flights. None of that changes the fact that the outrage here is based on non-facts and utter ignorance on how this works.

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

No outrage More like disappointment Disappointment that any republican is afraid to speak out against what may be the worst disaster ever to enter our WH

Sigh. Eddie you pushed too far.

 

[FA_Q2]

It is very routine for C-17s to land at a commercial airbase.

I have worked on them for a decade and we almost always stopped at a small airport in England or Germany. Rarely we would stop at Ramstein when going to the ME on our fist stop. Never stopped in Lakenheath though that would seem to be another good option. Further, it is not the president that determines where the crew stays. It is not command that determines where the crew stays. It is not even regulated where they stay. The crew is given a max allowance to spend per night on hotels and THEY CHOOSE where they want to stay.

Finally, 18 pages later, has anyone shown anywhere that Trump had anything to do with this whatsoever? The thread seems to be about a SINGLE occurrence. You have got to be kidding me. ONCE this happened and suddenly people think that Trump ordered it to what? Make 500 bucks with a single visit to his resort?

This is birther level of asshattery. Not really surprising from the Hannity of the left....

We used to stay in hotels in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.....but that changed in 91 under the Bush cutbacks. Every once in awhile we stayed in hotels....but only because they didn't have any place for us on bases.

That has changed since then. Were you crew though? That makes a massive difference. Passengers and maintenance always got screwed. There were myriads of examples where the crew would use crew rest to claim they could not stay on base and get some posh hotel off base.

There are some rather serious problems with crew and how they are able to bilk the system.

I was always a passenger deploying overseas.

That is a big difference. I assume not AF then?

The latitude the crew gets would incense you. As a general rule of thumb, if you are flying through an amazing destination such as Hawaii, plan on at least one day there as the aircraft WILL break.

And if the maintenance crew fixes it to fast - the flight crew will hard break it. Last time we had some parts going through Hawaii the flight crew purposefully blew the tires with a late takeoff abort. The system needs some serious reforming.

 

[FA_Q2]

Take a look down below little man. Can’t say you were not warned. My patience is short these days. Phiron goes too, next offense.

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

Congratulations. You finally got on the list with your butt-buddy MAC. I think you went on once and back off, now on again. phirion has you to thank for the quick hook on her. Might have gone overlooked.....

Can anyone translate this snowflake talk for me? What the hell is this guy talking about? What list?

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

You are lucky - next time you wont have to wast time on idiocy as he wont see your post to respond

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

List warning on FA for spreading falsehoods. If you don’t know keep quiet.

It is even more moronic than that.

Impressive. You should put me there then.

 

[Rustic]

Who said anything about saving money? I guarantee they spent a lot more. The pentagon likely does not want to admit how shitty their system is for these types of flights. None of that changes the fact that the outrage here is based on non-facts and utter ignorance on how this works.

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

No outrage More like disappointment Disappointment that any republican is afraid to speak out against what may be the worst disaster ever to enter our WH

lol
Career politicians have always been a disaster, everyone of them no matter the side of the isle they pick. The more damage trump does to GOP establishment the better for the country. The GOP establishment has no good purpose, the sooner they implode the better....

 

[deanrd]

It’s the height of hypocrisy that republicans would defend things Trump does that if Obama did something even close too that their heads would be exploding.

 

[leftwinger]

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

Congratulations. You finally got on the list with your butt-buddy MAC. I think you went on once and back off, now on again. phirion has you to thank for the quick hook on her. Might have gone overlooked.....

Can anyone translate this snowflake talk for me? What the hell is this guy talking about? What list?

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

You are lucky - next time you wont have to wast time on idiocy as he wont see your post to respond

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

List warning on FA for spreading falsehoods. If you don’t know keep quiet.

It is even more moronic than that.

Impressive. You should put me there then.

Mission accomplished. You can take your comrades (GiGi) spot. More than happy to oblige those who earn a spot so easily attacking the keeper.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Congratulations. You finally got on the list with your butt-buddy MAC. I think you went on once and back off, now on again. phirion has you to thank for the quick hook on her. Might have gone overlooked.....

Can anyone translate this snowflake talk for me? What the hell is this guy talking about? What list?

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

You are lucky - next time you wont have to wast time on idiocy as he wont see your post to respond

What the **** are you talking about? Are you drunk?

You are the one that brought Obama into the discussion, not me

He is threatening to put you on ignore.

As if that was some sort of threat lol.

List warning on FA for spreading falsehoods. If you don’t know keep quiet.

It is even more moronic than that.

Impressive. You should put me there then.

Mission accomplished. You can take your comrades (GiGi) spot. More than happy to oblige those who earn a spot so easily attacking the keeper.

So, you really are a teenage girl, I was just sort of kidding.

 

[edward37]

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

No outrage More like disappointment Disappointment that any republican is afraid to speak out against what may be the worst disaster ever to enter our WH

lol
Career politicians have always been a disaster, everyone of them no matter the side of the isle they pick. The more damage trump does to GOP establishment the better for the country. The GOP establishment has no good purpose, the sooner they implode the better....

Rustic You're turning?

 

[Lakhota]

U.S. Military Forging New Contract To 2024 To Refuel Near Trump’s Turnberry Resort: Report

As House investigators probe suspicious refueling stops, the Defense Department has a longer, pricier deal.

Holy shit. Hopefully Congress can stop this!

 

[Rustic]

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

A very unusual stop to make and how much was spent ? Republicans are afraid to answer how much and why there

You will be outraged no matter what.

No outrage More like disappointment Disappointment that any republican is afraid to speak out against what may be the worst disaster ever to enter our WH

lol
Career politicians have always been a disaster, everyone of them no matter the side of the isle they pick. The more damage trump does to GOP establishment the better for the country. The GOP establishment has no good purpose, the sooner they implode the better....

Rustic You're turning?

Lol
I have never voted for a career politician in my life, I think there should be a single term limits on all federally elected officials.

Trump is good for the country because he damages the federal government...

 

[BS Filter]

Rachel Maddow just finished a nice segment on this Politico story. Trump seems to be really raiding the military to enrich himself.

Rachel Maddow has absolutely no credibility.

BS You're supposed to filter out BS How come you let so much republican bull shit through?

Do you honestly believe Maddow is credible?

And what is her academic history and what is yours trump rube?

Go to hell, you pusillanimous punk.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Now the layover is part of a broader House inquiry into military spending at and around the Trump property.

In early Spring of this year, an Air National Guard crew made a routine trip from the U.S. to Kuwait to deliver supplies.

What wasn’t routine was where the crew stopped along the way: President Donald Trump’s Turnberry resort, about 50 miles outside Glasgow, Scotland.

Since April, the House Oversight Committee has been investigating why the crew on the C-17 military transport plane made the unusual stay — both en route to the Middle East and on the way back — at the luxury waterside resort, according to several people familiar with the incident. But they have yet to receive any answers from the Pentagon.

The inquiry is part of a broader, previously unreported probe into U.S. military expenditures at and around the Trump property in Scotland. According to a letter the panel sent to the Pentagon in June, the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base. The letter also cites a Guardian report that the airport provided cut-rate rooms and free rounds of golf at Turnberry for U.S. military members.

Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018.

“The Defense Department has not produced a single document in this investigation,” said a senior Democratic aide on the oversight panel. “The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.”

The Pentagon, Air Force and White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

More: Air Force crew made an odd stop on a routine trip: Trump’s Scottish resort

Wow, this is very strange. It's also somewhat alarming that the Air Force and Pentagon are not responding to congressional inquires. Has Trump co-opted our military?

What part of "Commander In Chief" don't you understand????

That doesn't mean you get to violate emolument laws.

You do not understand what an emolument is! That is why you libtards are so stupid. You make up your own definitions to words you do not understand, which is usually anything over two syllables.

Oh the irony. We have laws outside the constitution. There are domestic emoluments laws.

Really? Quote the violation dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Scotland is now a hop away from the Middle East

As long as Trump makes money off of it

Flights from SF to Asia go up near Alaska. The earth is a sphere not a circle, is a possible reason.

Our flights to the region usually stop at US bases in Spain or Portugal

How is Scotland in their flight path

We either land in the Azores or in Rota Spain. But Ireland is a more direct route.

The direct flight to Kuwait is the northern route, as you stated.!

We have no bases in Portugal, with the exception of Lajes in the Azores which only recently has resumed activity. The Navy left there years ago.

 

[rightwinger]

It is very routine for C-17s to land at a commercial airbase.

I have worked on them for a decade and we almost always stopped at a small airport in England or Germany. Rarely we would stop at Ramstein when going to the ME on our fist stop. Never stopped in Lakenheath though that would seem to be another good option. Further, it is not the president that determines where the crew stays. It is not command that determines where the crew stays. It is not even regulated where they stay. The crew is given a max allowance to spend per night on hotels and THEY CHOOSE where they want to stay.

Finally, 18 pages later, has anyone shown anywhere that Trump had anything to do with this whatsoever? The thread seems to be about a SINGLE occurrence. You have got to be kidding me. ONCE this happened and suddenly people think that Trump ordered it to what? Make 500 bucks with a single visit to his resort?

This is birther level of asshattery. Not really surprising from the Hannity of the left....

Very good

If it that simple, why hasn’t the Pentagon replied to requests since April?
If they are saving money by landing in Scotland, why not show it?

Who said anything about saving money? I guarantee they spent a lot more. The pentagon likely does not want to admit how shitty their system is for these types of flights. None of that changes the fact that the outrage here is based on non-facts and utter ignorance on how this works.

But it still lines trumps pocket?

By how much?

Give us a dollar figure on what is lining Trumps pocket. $250? $500? Because a military member chose to stay at a hotel he earned? You are going to have to forgive the missing outrage over this particular 'incident.'

Keeping an active airport near your resort is essential to Trump. It is his lifeline to wealthy patron

Close that airport and his golf course is worthless. USAF has bought $11 million in fuel since Trump became President

If the USAF is a dependable customer, that airport is safe

How many flights did USAF make through that airport before Trump was elected!