Air Force Backs Down, Drops 'so Help Me God' Requirement In Oath

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Setting off yet another scandal, the United States Air Force Academy (USAFA) has hired and promoted "ex-gay" cure advocate, Dr. Michael Rosebush, USAFA 1975, as a staff member for the Academy's Center of Character and Leadership Development.

Since its establishment in 1954, the Academy has been plagued with cheating scandals in 1965, 1967,1972, 1984, 2004, 2007 and 2012. In 2003, female cadets claimed they were being sexually harassed and assaulted by upperclassmen. Even after an investigation and the implementation of a sexual assault prevention program, the number of reported sexual assaults increased in 2010 and 2011. The following year, three cadets where charged with rape.

In contrast to these "moral" scandals it has been claims of "religious persecution" at the Academy that has recently been in the public eye. In 2005, a number of cadets alleged that conservative Christian upperclassman and staff used their positions of authority to proselytize their subordinates and students. After an investigation, it was discovered there was official Academy sponsorship of the showing of the Mel Gibsonfilm "The Passion of the Christ." Anti-Semitic slurs went unpunished. In another affront, a banner was found in a locker room stating cadet athletes played for "Team Jesus." In spite of corrective action on the part of the Academy, in 2010, a survey of cadets found that 41% who were not Christian claimed to have been subjected to unwanted proselytizing.

Against this backdrop, the hiring of Dr. Rosebush is inconceivable. Those vetting him at the Academy knew - or should have known - Dr. Rosebush's reparative therapy background in 2009, when it considered him for a position on the Academy staff as an analyst in the Plans and Programs Office. Dr. Rosebush is an Academy graduate and received his PhD in Counseling Psychology from the University of North Carolina in 1989.

More: U.S. Air Force Academy -- It Doesn t Get Better Tom Carpenter

The Air Force needs to clean up its act.

Shut the fuck up.

Are you to stupid to realize that you are advocating removing the rights of those in the AF who are Christians?

You don't have the freedom to never hear from a Christian you moron. You have the freedom to believe as you choose, and nothing else.

You may well and truly be the stupidest fucking person I've ever come across.

No it doesn't.

They're trying to remove the rights of the NON-christians.

Why is it that RWs are always against the First Amendment?

What rights are removed if a Christian tells you about God Luddy?

 

[Lakhota]

The Department of Defense’s new policy will extend to all religions recognized by the military, including Wicca.

U.S. Military Eases Rules On Turbans Beards Skullcaps And Other Religious Items

Christianity no longer has a monopoly in the U.S. military.

Religions Recognized by the U.S. Army

 

[hjmick]

Too. "...too stupid..."


Good Christ...

typo.

Unfortunate timing...

 

[Vandalshandle]

I am flat out amazed that they had to turn this question over to a whole room full of AF attorneys before they could come to this decision.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Christianity no longer has a monopoly in the U.S. military.

Religions Recognized by the U.S. Army

you are so stupid

• Advent Christian Church
• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• American Baptist Association
• American Baptist Churches
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• American Baptist Convention
• American Council of Christian Churches
• American Lutheran Church, The
• Anglican Orthodox Church, The
• Asbury Bible Churches
• Assemblies of God
• Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (General Synod)
• Associated Gospel Churches, The
• Atheist
• Baptist Bible Fellowship
• Baptist Churches, Other
• Baptist General Conference
• Baptist Missionary Association of America
• Bible Presbyterian Church
• Bible Protestant Church
• Brethren in Christ Fellowship
• Brethren Church
• Buddhism
• Central Bible Church
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Churches and Churches of Christ
• Christian Crusade
• Christian Methodist Episcopal
• Christian and Missionary Alliance
• Christian - no denominational
• Christian Reformed Church
• Christian Science (First Church of Christ, Scientist)
• Church of Christ
• Church of God
• Church of God (Anderson, IN)
• Church of God (Cleveland, TN)
• Church of God General Conference

• Church of God in Christ
• Church of God in North America
• Church of God in Prophecy
• Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS)
• Church of the Nazarene
• Church of the United Brethren in Christ
• Churches of Christ
• Churches of Christ in Christian Union
• Churches of God, General Conference
• Congregational Methodist Church
• Conservative Baptist Association of America
• Conservative Congressional Christian Conference
• Cumberland Presbyterian Church
• Eastern Orthodox Churches
• Eckankar
• Elim Fellowship
• Elim Missionary Assemblies
• Evangelical Church of North America
• Evangelical Congregational Church
• Evangelical Covenant Church in America
• Evan
• Evangelical Church Alliance, The
• gelical Free Church of America
• Evangelical Friends Alliance
• Evangelical Lutheran Churches
• Evangelical Methodist Church
• Evangelical Methodist Church of America
• Fellowship of Grace Brethren Churches
• Free Lutheran Congregations, The Association of
• Free Methodist Church of North America
• Free Will Baptists
• Free Will Baptists, NC State Convention of
• Friends
• Full Gospel Pentecostal Association, The
• Fundamental Methodist Church, Inc.
• General Association of General Baptists
• General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
• General Commission on Chaplains & Armed Forces Personnel
• General Conference of the Brethren Church

• Grace Gospel Fellowship
• Hindu
• Independent Baptist Bible Mission
• Independent Baptist Churches
• Independent Churches Affiliated
• Independent Denominational Endorsing Agencies
• Independent Fundamental Bible Churches
• Independent Fundamental Churches of America
• Independent Lutheran Churches
• International Church of the Foursquare Gospel
• Jehovah's Witnesses
• Jewish
• Kansas Yearly Meeting of Friends
• Lutheran Churches
• Lutheran Church in America
• Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
• Lutheran Council in the USA
• Methodist Churches
• Methodist Protestant Church
• Militant Fundamental Bible Churches
• Missionary Church, The
• Missionary Church Association
• Moravian Church
• Muslim
• National Association of Congregational Christian Churches
• National Association of Evangelicals
• National Association of Free Will Baptists
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
• No preference recorded
• No religious preference
• North American Baptist Conference
• Ohio Yearly Meeting of Friends
• Open Bible Standard Churches, Inc.
• Orthodox Presbyterian Church, The
• Other Religions
• Pentecostal Churches
• Pentecostal Church of God of America, Inc.

• Pentecostal Holiness Church
• Plymouth Brethren
• Presbyterian Churches
• Primitive Methodist Church, The
• Primitive Methodist Church, USA
• Progressive National Baptist
• Protestant Episcopal Church
• Protestant - no denominational preference
• Protestant - other churches
• Reformed Churches
• Reformed Church in America
• Reformed Church in the United States
• Reformed Episcopal Church
• Reformed Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod
• Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
• Roman Catholic, Church
• Salvation Army, The
• Schwenkfelder Churchers, The Conference of
• Seventh Day Adventists
• Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
• Southern Baptist Convention
• Southern Methodist Church
• Southern Baptist Fellowship
• The Swedborgian Church, General Conference of
• Tioga River Christian Conference
• Ukranian Evangelical Baptist Conference
• Unitarian Universalist Association
• United Christian Church
• United Church of Christ
• United Methodist Church, The
• United Methodist Church, International
• United Presbyterian Church, Evangelical Synod
• Unknown
• The Wesleyan Church
• World Baptist Fellowship

all the bolded Churches are Christian . Looks like the Army is still primarily Christian. Moron

By the way, the Army classifies Atheist as a church now LOL what a joke.

 

[Lakhota]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Setting off yet another scandal, the United States Air Force Academy (USAFA) has hired and promoted "ex-gay" cure advocate, Dr. Michael Rosebush, USAFA 1975, as a staff member for the Academy's Center of Character and Leadership Development.

Since its establishment in 1954, the Academy has been plagued with cheating scandals in 1965, 1967,1972, 1984, 2004, 2007 and 2012. In 2003, female cadets claimed they were being sexually harassed and assaulted by upperclassmen. Even after an investigation and the implementation of a sexual assault prevention program, the number of reported sexual assaults increased in 2010 and 2011. The following year, three cadets where charged with rape.

In contrast to these "moral" scandals it has been claims of "religious persecution" at the Academy that has recently been in the public eye. In 2005, a number of cadets alleged that conservative Christian upperclassman and staff used their positions of authority to proselytize their subordinates and students. After an investigation, it was discovered there was official Academy sponsorship of the showing of the Mel Gibsonfilm "The Passion of the Christ." Anti-Semitic slurs went unpunished. In another affront, a banner was found in a locker room stating cadet athletes played for "Team Jesus." In spite of corrective action on the part of the Academy, in 2010, a survey of cadets found that 41% who were not Christian claimed to have been subjected to unwanted proselytizing.

Against this backdrop, the hiring of Dr. Rosebush is inconceivable. Those vetting him at the Academy knew - or should have known - Dr. Rosebush's reparative therapy background in 2009, when it considered him for a position on the Academy staff as an analyst in the Plans and Programs Office. Dr. Rosebush is an Academy graduate and received his PhD in Counseling Psychology from the University of North Carolina in 1989.

More: U.S. Air Force Academy -- It Doesn t Get Better Tom Carpenter

The Air Force needs to clean up its act.

Shut the fuck up.

Are you to stupid to realize that you are advocating removing the rights of those in the AF who are Christians?

You don't have the freedom to never hear from a Christian you moron. You have the freedom to believe as you choose, and nothing else.

You may well and truly be the stupidest fucking person I've ever come across.

No it doesn't.

They're trying to remove the rights of the NON-christians.

Why is it that RWs are always against the First Amendment?

What rights are removed if a Christian tells you about God Luddy?

Mine.

You're welcome to anything you want to believe, whatever makes it possible for you to come out from under the bed every morning but so am I.

I won't preach to you and I expect the same courtesy from you.

Why is that so hard for "christians" to understand?

 

[Lakhota]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Can you prove that I have claimed to believe in gods before?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Spoken like a true christian ...

If your religion is so strong, why are you so afraid of others' religions?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Setting off yet another scandal, the United States Air Force Academy (USAFA) has hired and promoted "ex-gay" cure advocate, Dr. Michael Rosebush, USAFA 1975, as a staff member for the Academy's Center of Character and Leadership Development.

Since its establishment in 1954, the Academy has been plagued with cheating scandals in 1965, 1967,1972, 1984, 2004, 2007 and 2012. In 2003, female cadets claimed they were being sexually harassed and assaulted by upperclassmen. Even after an investigation and the implementation of a sexual assault prevention program, the number of reported sexual assaults increased in 2010 and 2011. The following year, three cadets where charged with rape.

In contrast to these "moral" scandals it has been claims of "religious persecution" at the Academy that has recently been in the public eye. In 2005, a number of cadets alleged that conservative Christian upperclassman and staff used their positions of authority to proselytize their subordinates and students. After an investigation, it was discovered there was official Academy sponsorship of the showing of the Mel Gibsonfilm "The Passion of the Christ." Anti-Semitic slurs went unpunished. In another affront, a banner was found in a locker room stating cadet athletes played for "Team Jesus." In spite of corrective action on the part of the Academy, in 2010, a survey of cadets found that 41% who were not Christian claimed to have been subjected to unwanted proselytizing.

Against this backdrop, the hiring of Dr. Rosebush is inconceivable. Those vetting him at the Academy knew - or should have known - Dr. Rosebush's reparative therapy background in 2009, when it considered him for a position on the Academy staff as an analyst in the Plans and Programs Office. Dr. Rosebush is an Academy graduate and received his PhD in Counseling Psychology from the University of North Carolina in 1989.

More: U.S. Air Force Academy -- It Doesn t Get Better Tom Carpenter

The Air Force needs to clean up its act.

Shut the fuck up.

Are you to stupid to realize that you are advocating removing the rights of those in the AF who are Christians?

You don't have the freedom to never hear from a Christian you moron. You have the freedom to believe as you choose, and nothing else.

You may well and truly be the stupidest fucking person I've ever come across.

No it doesn't.

They're trying to remove the rights of the NON-christians.

Why is it that RWs are always against the First Amendment?

What rights are removed if a Christian tells you about God Luddy?

Mine.

You're welcome to anything you want to believe, whatever makes it possible for you to come out from under the bed every morning but so am I.

I won't preach to you and I expect the same courtesy from you.

Why is that so hard for "christians" to understand?

It's a courtesy not to preach to others, I agree. But you have no "Right" not to be preached to son. I mean come on this is common sense.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

In fact, I could EASILY make the argument that any law that prevented me from "preaching" to you was prohibiting my right to freely exercise my religion.

You don't get to just make up laws as you go along because someone annoys you. The COTUS in NOWAY protects you from ME violating your rights.

 

[bodecea]

Shameful.

Why? You approve of people lying when they give the oath?

 

[Zander]

Is "Islam" a religion?

Why do the USMB "god haters" always attack Christians, but never Moslems?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Can you prove that I have claimed to believe in gods before?

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[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Shameful.

Why? You approve of people lying when they give the oath?

No, I don't approve of your behavior "Commander"

 

[Lakhota]

Is "Islam" a religion?

Why do the USMB "god haters" always attack Christians, but never Moslems?

Because military proselytizers aren't trying to convert soldiers to Islam.

 

[blackhawk]

Is "Islam" a religion?

Why do the USMB "god haters" always attack Christians, but never Moslems?

Because Christians won't put on a suicide vest and blow you and themselves up or behead you for not agreeing with them.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Can you prove that I have claimed to believe in gods before?

The Upside of the Theocratic Hobby Lobby Ruling. Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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@Lakhota

There are many Gods.

 

[Lakhota]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Can you prove that I have claimed to believe in gods before?

The Upside of the Theocratic Hobby Lobby Ruling. Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

What should happen to Pfc. Bradley Manning Page 5 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

@Lakhota

There are many Gods.

Yeah, sparky, there's a shitload of so-called Gods - but I've NEVER professed a belief in any of them. I've been an Atheist all my life - even long before I knew what an Atheist was.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Atheists will eventually rule the world when religious superstitions are outgrown. However, secularism must come first.

First of all , what a scary comment

Second of all, this fake ass Indian has claimed to believe in gods before, so what gives now?

Can you prove that I have claimed to believe in gods before?

The Upside of the Theocratic Hobby Lobby Ruling. Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

What should happen to Pfc. Bradley Manning Page 5 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

@Lakhota

There are many Gods.

Yeah, sparky, there's a shitload of so-called Gods - but I've NEVER profess a belief in any of them. I've been an Atheist all my life. Even Wakan Tanka (Great Spirit/Great Mystery) isn't considered a God.

you did not say "there are many so called Gods" you lying piece of racist shit.

you said "there are many Gods" in TWO different posts, I"m sure I can find more.


OH, look. Here's another one where you ask other posters to bow their heads and pray to the gods


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who prays to gods they don't believe in? No one.

You're busted you lying piece of shit.


@Lakhota where did you go?