Agrivoltaics, saving farms

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The ad hominem attack ... last pathetic excuse of a loser ...

Where do you get the value of climate forcing of 0.6 W/m^2? ... just asking for a citation ...

Or it was spot on.

Good Lord, did you even read what I wrote? If you are going to ask the question, ask it correctly. Where did I get that the planet is net warming by 0.6 W/m^2? NASA

Earth's Energy Budget | My NASA Data

mynasadata.larc.nasa.gov

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Read my previous posts.

They didn't mention reduced albedo, and they all violate the conservation of energy.

 

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They didn't mention reduced albedo, and they all violate the conservation of energy.

They didn't need to. That's how simple it is to understand.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They didn't need to. That's how simple it is to understand.

Replacing 0.30 albedo surface with 0.10 albedo surface is simple.

Net warming.

 

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Replacing 0.30 albedo surface with 0.10 albedo surface is simple.

Net warming.

I'm sure in your mind it does. Unfortunately satellite measurements, water moisture, conservation of energy, how the visible light spectrum produces heat, the efficiency of solar power versus fossil fuel electricity generation and even radiative forcing of GHG's say otherwise. Switching from fossil fuels to solar will cause a net cooling.

 

[Woodznutz]

Means less land under cultivation, which means less food production. Which would be great if the population numbers were falling or remaining stable. Unfortunately population is still increasing. So hey we can at least starve knowing we are producing power that is slightly less environmentally damaging

Half of our farmlands don't produce foods for consumption by our people. We grow corn for ethanol, grains and animals fed on those grains for export to our enemies. We also export our best hardwoods for little profit then import the products made from them at great cost. We're really not too bright.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm sure in your mind it does. Unfortunately satellite measurements, water moisture, conservation of energy, how the visible light spectrum produces heat, the efficiency of solar power versus fossil fuel electricity generation and even radiative forcing of GHG's say otherwise. Switching from fossil fuels to solar will cause a net cooling.

You think the satellite measurements prove that conservation of energy was violated?

 

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You think the satellite measurements prove that conservation of energy was violated?

Satellite measurements, water moisture, conservation of energy, how the visible light spectrum produces heat, the efficiency of solar power versus fossil fuel electricity generation and even radiative forcing of GHG's prove that switching from fossil fuels to solar will cause a net cooling.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Satellite measurements, water moisture, conservation of energy, how the visible light spectrum produces heat, the efficiency of solar power versus fossil fuel electricity generation and even radiative forcing of GHG's prove that switching from fossil fuels to solar will cause a net cooling.

Right.
No violation of conservation of energy.
Converting solar radiation to electricity does not stop that solar radiation from heating the planet.

 

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Right.
No violation of conservation of energy.
Converting solar radiation to electricity does not stop that solar radiation from heating the planet.

Switching from fossil fuels to solar will result in a net cooling.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Switching from fossil fuels to solar will result in a net cooling.

And converting solar radiation to electricity does not stop that solar radiation from heating the planet.

 

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And converting solar radiation to electricity does not stop that solar radiation from heating the planet.

Thus the widespread use of solar is the best way to usher in the next glacial period.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thus the widespread use of solar is the best way to usher in the next glacial period.

Because reflecting less solar radiation into space warms the planet.
And warming the planet ushers in.......wait, I see a flaw in your logic.

 

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Because reflecting less solar radiation into space warms the planet.
And warming the planet ushers in.......wait, I see a flaw in your logic.

Because 15-20% of the visible light is converted into electricity and replacing fossil fuels with solar reduces waste heat and because of a reduction in CO2.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because 15-20% of the visible light is converted into electricity and replacing fossil fuels with solar reduces waste heat and because of a reduction in CO2.

Post in thread 'Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!'

Jun 21, 2022

I think the tipping point will come soon. Solar cells are getting cheaper and new materials will continue to decrease the cost. I think it will tip once cheap and long-lived cells can be incorporated into roofing tiles and electric companies have the infrastructure to allow us to have meters that can run backwards as our roof tiles generate power

That's great but without installing double capacity and battery backup storage it's never going to be viable source for base loading electric grids. Then there's the small problem of any solar radiation that is converted into...

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I'm arguing against your physics claim, not against "burning less fossil fuels will cool the planet."

 

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Post in thread 'Power the U.S. With Solar Panels!'

Jun 21, 2022

I think the tipping point will come soon. Solar cells are getting cheaper and new materials will continue to decrease the cost. I think it will tip once cheap and long-lived cells can be incorporated into roofing tiles and electric companies have the infrastructure to allow us to have meters that can run backwards as our roof tiles generate power

That's great but without installing double capacity and battery backup storage it's never going to be viable source for base loading electric grids. Then there's the small problem of any solar radiation that is converted into...

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I'm arguing against your physics claim, not against "burning less fossil fuels will cool the planet."

So you agree that switching from fossil fuels to solar will result in a net cooling. Brilliant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you agree that switching from fossil fuels to solar will result in a net cooling. Brilliant.

And you agree your original claim, "any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation that does not warm the surface of the planet" was wrong.

Excellent!

 

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And you agree your original claim, "any solar radiation that is converted into electricity is solar radiation that does not warm the surface of the planet" was wrong.

Excellent!

No. I decided it wasn't worth arguing with you about anymore because it was distracting from the main point that the widespread use of solar power is not a good idea in the middle of an ice age.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. I decided it wasn't worth arguing with you about anymore because it was distracting from the main point that the widespread use of solar power is not a good idea in the middle of an ice age.

You won't admit your original claim violated conservation of energy?

 

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You won't admit your original claim violated conservation of energy?

You won't admit that switching from fossil fuels to solar will result in a net cooling?