Against the law to take down confederate statues in Florida

[Cellblock2429]

CSA invaded nonCSA states on multiple occasions. Fail harder.

/——/ I never said they didn’t. I asked when did they attack Washington DC to over throw the government? The British did in 1812. Got it? Can’t make it any simpler for you. Now Sanyo were wrong. It only stings for a moment.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Now that the LOSERS babled, now lets hear from the winning team:

 

[Flash]

If the Southern States did not have the right to secede from the Union then the Colonies did not have the right to secede from King George.

 

[martybegan]

If the Southern States did not have the right to secede from the Union then the Colonies did not have the right to secede from King George.

You only establish that right when you win.

The colonists won, the Confederates didn't.

 

[progressive hunter]

Not in today's society they aren't.

they dont exist in todays world because dems changed tactics,,

but we all know the dems are the partuy of the KKK, jim crow and slavery,,

 

[progressive hunter]

If the Southern States did not have the right to secede from the Union then the Colonies did not have the right to secede from King George.

thats why we fought them,,

 

[Libby von H]

People who love our country would not want to honor to those who tried to over throw the US government.
Florida will start building statues to honor Nazis.

What people dislike about you --- this is an informed guess -- is that you find references to Nazis funny.
That implies two things about you
An inhuman insensitivity to the horrible things the Nazis did
And a hideously immature need to have people tell you how witty and clever you are.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If the Southern States did not have the right to secede from the Union then the Colonies did not have the right to secede from King George.

They didn't. Thats why guns and the French navy were needed. Derp.

 

[Libby von H]

thats why we fought them,,

Wrong 4 counts

1) Even the states that seceded would disagree in that in returning
Texas v White 1869 concludes that whatever things were the Union is explicitly under terms that that is NOT a right

White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation. so if a current Southern State were to have your view we could say "But you know about the Court ruling that you agreed to already.

2) The Founders , the great majority, didn't even use those categories. They said they were living up to the English law and the king had repudiated it.

3) The situation of Loyalists during the American Revolution left them free to leave but the Union-supporters under secession lost all Federal protection. Lincoln was clear on that,whatever Southern Sates did they could not force support from the members of those states who had never had a say in secession and didn't want it anyway.

4) "right to secede' can never be independent of circumstances. As I pointed out in Texas v White 1869, if you are now a member of a society that is based on you not having that right, you can't manufacture it !!!! Let's say you once did have the right, you can't have it now knowing that you agreed to be a citizen of a country that now explicitly makes it treason.

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong 4 counts

1) Even the states that seceded would disagree in that in returning
Texas v White 1869 conclude?

White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation. so if a current Southern State were to have your view we could say "But you know about the Court ruling that you agreed to already.

2) The Founders , the great majority, didn't even use those categories. They said they were living up to the English law and the king had repudiated it.

3) The situation of Loyalists during the American Revolution left them free to leave but the Union-supporters under secession lost all Federal protection. Lincoln was clear on that,whatever Southern Sates did they could not force support from the members of those states who had never had a say in secession and didn't want it anyway.

4) "right to secede' can never be independent of circumstances. As I pointed out in Texas v White 1869, if you are now a member of a society that is based on you not having that right, you can't manufacture it !!!! Let's say you once did have the right, you can't have it now knowing that you agreed to be a citizen of a country that now explicitly makes it treason.

if the states can win the fight they can sucede all they want,,

 

[Superbadbrutha]

they dont exist in todays world because dems changed tactics,,

but we all know the dems are the partuy of the KKK, jim crow and slavery,,

Not in todays society.

 

[progressive hunter]

Not in todays society.

not in todays society what??

none of these exist anymore because good people stood against them and won,, now they/dems changed tactics and now use welfare, victimhood and government jobs to keep blacks on the dem plantation,,

 

[ElmerMudd]

Neo-Confederates, neo-Nazis use revisionist history to try and make their movements look good.

 

[ElmerMudd]

What people dislike about you --- this is an informed guess -- is that you find references to Nazis funny.
That implies two things about you
An inhuman insensitivity to the horrible things the Nazis did
And a hideously immature need to have people tell you how witty and clever you are.

I do not find anything funny about the Nazis.. I find them abhorrent. The confederates were not nearly as bad as the Nazis but they were an enemy who tried to defeat our country in war.
The Nazis in an attempt for world domination. The confederates because of an attempt to treasonous to our country and out Constitution

I find it interesting how the MAGA movement has embraced the treasonous confederacy.
There is nothing funny about Nazis and WWII where millions of humans lost their lives. The worst example of white supremacy in their extermination of jews There is nothing funny about the civil war and the confederacy and the many Americans who died. There is nothing funny about neo Nazis and white supremacist embracing the MAGA movement. There is nothing funny about MAGA.

 

[Flash]

You only establish that right when you win.

The colonists won, the Confederates didn't.

Unfortunately the bad guys won in the Civil War.

 

[martybegan]

Unfortunately the bad guys won in the Civil War.

Wrong.

You don't get to take your ball and go home unless you win the war, and they didn't.

Slavery was bad, and sectionalism was bad. The only shit results out of the Civil War were incomplete reconstruction and strenghening of the Federal government in places it shouldn't have been.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Neo-Confederates, neo-Nazis use revisionist history to try and make their movements look good.

Our songs are better.

 

[BackAgain]

Wrong.

You don't get to take your ball and go home unless you win the war, and they didn't.

Slavery was bad, and sectionalism was bad. The only shit results out of the Civil War were incomplete reconstruction and strenghening of the Federal government in places it shouldn't have been.

The bad guys lost. That’s the best news.

The win by the Union resulted in the end of slavery. That’s a terrific outcome. It also salvaged the Union. That’s also terrific news.

Incomplete reconstruction was a poor outcome. Jim Crow laws were a disgraceful outcome. The overt and undue centralization of the power of the Federal Government is also a partial outcome and it’s a very bad result.

But still, it is vastly superior to what we’d have if the Confederate States had won.

 

[martybegan]

The bad guys lost. That’s the best news.

The win by the Union resulted in the end of slavery. That’s a terrific outcome. It also salvaged the Union. That’s also terrific news.

Incomplete reconstruction was a poor outcome. Jim Crow laws were a disgraceful outcome. The overt and undue centralization of the power of the Federal Government is also a partial outcome and it’s a very bad result.

But still, it is vastly superior to what we’d have if the Confederate States has won.

Check out Harry Turtledove's "Timeline 191" alternate history series for a scenario on that.

Think WWI with us on the Central powers and the Confederacy with the Entente.

Then think WWII with France, Britian and the Confederacy going Nazi instead of Germany.

 

[Flash]

Wrong.

You don't get to take your ball and go home unless you win the war, and they didn't.

Slavery was bad, and sectionalism was bad. The only shit results out of the Civil War were incomplete reconstruction and strenghening of the Federal government in places it shouldn't have been.

You are confused Moon Bat.

The Confederacy was the last great hope of Liberty for Americans. Unfortunately the oppressive shitheads won and we lost it.