AG Barr met with British, Italians to blow the lid off Obama officials spying on Trump

[Crepitus]

This has already been done to death.

Move on, it's over.

Thank you for proving my point

There is no "point" as you say. If I follow your attempted distraction you have accomplished your goal.

We aren't going down that road, time to return to the thread topic.

Of course Barr is investigating it,, of course you don’t want him to lol hahahahahahahh

That's like having the get away driver conduct the investigation.

Obama is conducting the investigation?

Are you really that dumb, or do you think that's whitty?

 

[Zorro!]

In Trump impeachment, ‘no one is above the law’ could backfire on Democrats. To be fair, they mean no one Republican.

"No one is above the law," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as she announced the Democratic effort to impeach President Trump over the Ukraine matter.

But it's not at all clear that Trump broke any laws in the Ukraine matter. In the face of a vigorous Republican defense, any argument on that question is likely to end.

House Democrats have no grounds for the claim that Trump committed a crime in the Ukraine affair.

The Constitution says a president "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." The president must be shown to have committed a REAL crime to be impeached and removed from office.

"No man is above the law" sounds good, but it requires the impeachers to make a case that the president did, indeed, break the law.

If the House passes articles of impeachment that do not prove law breaking, the Senate will make very short work of this ridiculousness and probably even get some Democrat votes for acquittal.

 

[Crepitus]

This isn't true at all. Collision was rampant. Robert Mueller, a life long republican, decided it didn't rise to the level of criminal conspiracy. Surprise surprise.

Heavens, Crepitus... Mueller said no such thing. He never determined whether or not there was a conspiracy (to defraud the U.S. of A.). He said, he could not prove a conspiracy beyond reasonable doubt, and he also gave what were the causes of that failure, namely, deleted and encrypted communication, and overall lack of cooperation with the inquiry. That, to me, reads like, "Yeah, of course there was a conspiracy, but because of rampant obstruction and tampering with evidence, there is no proof to be had." Which is not exactly, but pretty close to, the opposite of what you falsely claimed Mueller said.

While I agree to a certain extent, the phrase "does not rise to the level of criminal conspiracy" is a direct what's from the report.

 

[Crepitus]

Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

Every single Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence committees and every respected media and law enforcement in the world agrees and came out and said it was the Russians and it is obvious. The fact you don't know that is just another symptom of your cluelessness, brainwash functional moron. watch the BBC everyday for a year and shut the f*** **....

And yet these Republicans and Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committees as well as every respected media and law enforcement in the world, couldn't find proof that Donald Trump "colluded" with the Russians, in order to "steal" an election?

You're gonna hurt yourself if you don't quit trying so hard.

Well people on the Trump campaign Met with Russian government people over a hundred times and never wrote anything down oh, the mobbed-up Manhattan real estate assholes LOL. And Trump told them to go ahead and hack Hillary's email hours before they did try. they met with the Russians over a hundred times and never told anybody about it and lied about it. I guess that's not suspicious at all. Right, brainwashed functional idiot? Too bad you don't get about 3/4 of the news. as agreed to by every respected media outlet and law enforcement in the world. You are a disgrace, super duper.

Don't care. Here's a picture of me not caring...

Dude, you be screwed in the head.

You admit you miss out on most of the news, but still insist that your uninformed (at best, when you aren't pushing conspiracy theories) is correct.

 

[JGalt]

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

Every single Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence committees and every respected media and law enforcement in the world agrees and came out and said it was the Russians and it is obvious. The fact you don't know that is just another symptom of your cluelessness, brainwash functional moron. watch the BBC everyday for a year and shut the f*** **....

And yet these Republicans and Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committees as well as every respected media and law enforcement in the world, couldn't find proof that Donald Trump "colluded" with the Russians, in order to "steal" an election?

You're gonna hurt yourself if you don't quit trying so hard.

Well people on the Trump campaign Met with Russian government people over a hundred times and never wrote anything down oh, the mobbed-up Manhattan real estate assholes LOL. And Trump told them to go ahead and hack Hillary's email hours before they did try. they met with the Russians over a hundred times and never told anybody about it and lied about it. I guess that's not suspicious at all. Right, brainwashed functional idiot? Too bad you don't get about 3/4 of the news. as agreed to by every respected media outlet and law enforcement in the world. You are a disgrace, super duper.

Don't care. Here's a picture of me not caring...

Dude, you be screwed in the head.

You admit you miss out on most of the news, but still insist that your uninformed (at best, when you aren't pushing conspiracy theories) is correct.

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Just because I don't give liars and traitors an audience, doesn't mean that I'm not paying attention to what the media outlets on both sides are saying. Unlike you brainless fools and useless idiots, I prefer to arrive to my own conclusions.

 

[jknowgood]

A nothing burger. The Barr report will be great, it will make the Muller report. A piece of fiction.

This "Barr report" will never even happen. There will be rumor and innuendo but never anything official. To steal a phrase often wrongly used by you conservitards "there is no "there" there".

Trump will not let y'all get away with your law breaking anymore. There will be republicans that will go down also.

The only lawbreaking happening is being done by tRump and his minions.

Trump is making you loons look like fools.

I'll take that to mean you can't refute my post.

When Barr says he is Trump's wing man. Get back to me.

 

[Zorro!]

Red-State Democrats Know Impeachment Without Crimes Will Backfire

"The stakes go up at this point..."

Red-state Senate Democrats are angry that foolish House impeachment proceedings will cost them their seats. The Hill's Alexander Bolton.

Montana Democrat Sen. Jon Tester, who barely won his 2018 re-election in the very red state shouted warnings.

While initial Fake News reports in the Democrat media swore that Trump pressured Zelensky complete with a threat to hold nearly $400 million in US military aid if he didn't produce dirt on Joe Biden, a release of the call transcript revealed no such threat, while Zelensky had no clue the military aid had been withheld pending a corruption review of Ukraine by the Trump administration.

Manchin also issued warnings as many liberal Democrats have anti-Trump fever.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, without a House Vote, that there was a "consensus in our caucus" that Ukraine "is the focus of the moment because this is the charge," referring to the CIA employee's complaint - which was lodged on a form which was recently changed to allow second-hand whistleblower information.

Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama - another red-state Democrat up for re-election next year also screamed a desperate warning. Jones doesn't want impeachment to overshadow trade negotiations with Mexico and Canada, or a multi-year highway authorization bill.

Poor Doug Jones is running as a Democrat in a state that Trump won by nearly 30 points in 2016, fears he will become impeachment roadkill.

 

[MisterBeale]

One of that happened-
R Mueller

It all happened. Read a newspaper or something. Google it geez.

Think about it Franco, if the MSM sources are littered with spooks from the lettered agencies, and these are the same agencies that are causing the chaos, why would anything that is printed in those sources be entirely accurate?

The entire Mueller report is likely a complete fabrication.

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Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

. . quite the reverse actually.

From what has been released in the Wiki dump? Preliminary analysis indicate that it was a leak rather than a hack. The establishment has been seeding disinformation through the CFR controlled media from the start.


That is, when we get to the root of this whole issue, what this is about.

 

[MisterBeale]

This is why Trump is cordially asking the Ukrainians for their assistance in the Crowdstrike matter, because our own FBI was uncooperative in the matter of trying to obtain a primary analysis of the evidence.

 

[Billiejeens]

Red-State Democrats Know Impeachment Without Crimes Will Backfire

"The stakes go up at this point..."

Red-state Senate Democrats are angry that foolish House impeachment proceedings will cost them their seats. The Hill's Alexander Bolton.

Montana Democrat Sen. Jon Tester, who barely won his 2018 re-election in the very red state shouted warnings.

While initial Fake News reports in the Democrat media swore that Trump pressured Zelensky complete with a threat to hold nearly $400 million in US military aid if he didn't produce dirt on Joe Biden, a release of the call transcript revealed no such threat, while Zelensky had no clue the military aid had been withheld pending a corruption review of Ukraine by the Trump administration.

Manchin also issued warnings as many liberal Democrats have anti-Trump fever.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, without a House Vote, that there was a "consensus in our caucus" that Ukraine "is the focus of the moment because this is the charge," referring to the CIA employee's complaint - which was lodged on a form which was recently changed to allow second-hand whistleblower information.

Sen. Doug Jones of Alabama - another red-state Democrat up for re-election next year also screamed a desperate warning. Jones doesn't want impeachment to overshadow trade negotiations with Mexico and Canada, or a multi-year highway authorization bill.

Poor Doug Jones is running as a Democrat in a state that Trump won by nearly 30 points in 2016, fears he will become impeachment roadkill.

Doesn't really matter who is running against Jones - as long as its not Roy Moore
Zero chance that seat doesn't flip back to where it belongs.

 

[Crepitus]

It all happened. Read a newspaper or something. Google it geez.

Think about it Franco, if the MSM sources are littered with spooks from the lettered agencies, and these are the same agencies that are causing the chaos, why would anything that is printed in those sources be entirely accurate?

The entire Mueller report is likely a complete fabrication.

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Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

. . quite the reverse actually.

From what has been released in the Wiki dump? Preliminary analysis indicate that it was a leak rather than a hack. The establishment has been seeding disinformation through the CFR controlled media from the start.


That is, when we get to the root of this whole issue, what this is about.

Wacky conspiracy theories are fun!

Let's do some more!

 

[Ame®icano]

It all happened. Read a newspaper or something. Google it geez.

Think about it Franco, if the MSM sources are littered with spooks from the lettered agencies, and these are the same agencies that are causing the chaos, why would anything that is printed in those sources be entirely accurate?

The entire Mueller report is likely a complete fabrication.

View attachment 282290

Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

Every single Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence committees and every respected media and law enforcement in the world agrees and came out and said it was the Russians and it is obvious. The fact you don't know that is just another symptom of your cluelessness, brainwash functional moron. watch the BBC everyday for a year and shut the f*** **....

They can agree that Earth is flat if they want to. The question is NOT do they agree it was Russians, question is do they have a proof that Russians did it.

According to article above, court records indicate that FBI relied on Crowdstrike draft, and not on their own investigation. That means that all "17 intelligence agencies" relied on the same draft from Crowdstrike.

Question again Einstein, is where is the proof, and who has it?

 

[sealybobo]

Thank you for proving my point

There is no "point" as you say. If I follow your attempted distraction you have accomplished your goal.

We aren't going down that road, time to return to the thread topic.

Of course Barr is investigating it,, of course you don’t want him to lol hahahahahahahh

That's like having the get away driver conduct the investigation.

Obama is conducting the investigation?

Are you really that dumb, or do you think that's whitty?

Trump literally floated the idea of pardoning himself. This is proof that American conservatives would absolutely love to be ruled by a lying dictator like Putin who is above the law. Every 4 years they would like an election but the only two choices would be right wing extremists or even farther right wing extremists. Anyone moderate is now a deep state rino.

I used to tell USMB republicans, "how come Republican politicians don't say the stupid shit you guys say here" but I can't say that anymore because Trump is the biggest conspiracy theorist being manipulated by Fox News fake news. He tweets the same stupid shit jitss617 posts.

 

[Jitss617]

There is no "point" as you say. If I follow your attempted distraction you have accomplished your goal.

We aren't going down that road, time to return to the thread topic.

Of course Barr is investigating it,, of course you don’t want him to lol hahahahahahahh

That's like having the get away driver conduct the investigation.

Obama is conducting the investigation?

Are you really that dumb, or do you think that's whitty?

Trump literally floated the idea of pardoning himself. This is proof that American conservatives would absolutely love to be ruled by a lying dictator like Putin who is above the law. Every 4 years they would like an election but the only two choices would be right wing extremists or even farther right wing extremists. Anyone moderate is now a deep state rino.

I used to tell USMB republicans, "how come Republican politicians don't say the stupid shit you guys say here" but I can't say that anymore because Trump is the biggest conspiracy theorist being manipulated by Fox News fake news. He tweets the same stupid shit jitss617 posts.

You desperate for a win! It’s not going to happen full of rage, encourage democrats to be successful at something, maybe we will vote for you. Give it a shot

 

[Billiejeens]

Think about it Franco, if the MSM sources are littered with spooks from the lettered agencies, and these are the same agencies that are causing the chaos, why would anything that is printed in those sources be entirely accurate?

The entire Mueller report is likely a complete fabrication.

View attachment 282290

Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

Every single Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence committees and every respected media and law enforcement in the world agrees and came out and said it was the Russians and it is obvious. The fact you don't know that is just another symptom of your cluelessness, brainwash functional moron. watch the BBC everyday for a year and shut the f*** **....

They can agree that Earth is flat if they want to. The question is NOT do they agree it was Russians, question is do they have a proof that Russians did it.

According to article above, court records indicate that FBI relied on Crowdstrike draft, and not on their own investigation. That means that all "17 intelligence agencies" relied on the same draft from Crowdstrike.

Question again Einstein, is where is the proof, and who has it?

Ukraine has it
Trumps getting it.
Obama was working with Ukraine since at least 2014
Writing the Russian hoax script was easy to write they simply wrote what the Democratics were doing in Ukraine, changed Ukraine to Russia and obama to Trump.
This is going to be fantastic. btw.

 

[Ame®icano]

Not every is a welfare case like yourself. Most of us have private insurance or pay for our own health care, as it should be.

I am happily retired, brainwashed functional moron. And your insurance is cheaper than it was before Obama Care and is guaranteed now. You are welcome. It would be a lot better without GOP sabotage and obstruction. Everything you know is wrong d******....

Tough shit, hillbilly. Like it or not, there isn't a single thing you can do about it.

We President now.

Welcome to the u.s. message board, orange clown. LOL. Do you ever argue the facts, or are you just a troll when you are shown how wrong you are....

The facts are inarguable: You are a minority, you have no power to do anything but whine and cry, and we are controlling this country, whether you like it or not.

We can stop you from doing all the dumbass giveaway to the rich garbage and cuts in services garbage you want to do, except for those giveaway to the rich tax rates and cuts and services for the rest. Thanks to your Garbage reconciliation. Most things Trump wants to do are stopped by basic unconstitutionality and illegality....

What services for the rest are cut?

What Trump did that is unconstitutional and was stopped by courts?

 

[Ame®icano]

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Why did nothing ever happen to Roger Stone? Do you even know?


Tell me what Mueller's report said on that?

How come those Russian's that were "indicted" never came to trial? Do you know? Because they would have had to seen evidence the BOB did not have. . . .

FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced
The FBI relied on CrowdStrike’s “conclusion” to blame Russia for hacking DNC servers, though the private firm never produced a final report and the FBI never asked them to, as Ray McGovern explains.
FBI Never Saw CrowdStrike Unredacted or Final Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Because None was Produced

". . . The revelation came in a court filing by the government in the pre-trial phase of Roger Stone, a long-time Republican operative who had an unofficial role in the campaign of candidate Donald Trump. Stone has been charged with misleading Congress, obstructing justice and intimidating a witness.

The filing was in response to a motion by Stone’s lawyers asking for “unredacted reports” from CrowdStrike in an effort to get the government to prove that Russia hacked the DNC server. “The government … does not possess the information the defandant seeks,” the filing says.

In his motion, Stone’s lawyers said he had only been given three redacted drafts. In a startling footnote in the government’s response, the DOJ admits the drafts are all that exist. “Although the reports produced to the defendant are marked ‘draft,’ counsel for the DNC and DCCC informed the government that they are the last version of the report produced,” the footnote says.

In other words CrowdStrike, upon which the FBI relied to conclude that Russia hacked the DNC, never completed a final report and only turned over three redacted drafts to the government.


Stone on his way to court in February. (Victoria Pickering/Flickr)

These drafts were “voluntarily” given to the FBI by DNC lawyers, the filing says. “No redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors,” the filing quotes DNC lawyers as saying.

In Stone’s motion his lawyers argued: “If the Russian state did not hack the DNC, DCCC, or [Clinton campaign chairman John] Podesta’s servers, then Roger Stone was prosecuted for obstructing a congressional investigation into an unproven Russian state hacking conspiracy … The issue of whether or not the DNC was hacked is central to the Defendant’s defense.”

<snip>

VIPS does not believe the June 12, 14, & 15 timing was pure coincidence. Rather, it suggests the start of a pre-emptive move to associate Russia with anything WikiLeaks might have been about to publish and to “show” that it came from a Russian hack.

Bill Binney, a former NSA technical director and a VIPS member, filed an affidavit in Stone’s case. Binney said: “WikiLeaks did not receive stolen data from the Russian government. Intrinsic metadata in the publicly available files on WikiLeaks demonstrates that the files acquired by WikiLeaks were delivered in a medium such as a thumb drive.”

<snip>

On March 31, 2017 WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example.

The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Two weeks later, then CIA Director Mike Pompeo branded WikiLeaks a “non-state hostile intelligence service,” and the U.S. put pressure on Ecuador, which had given Assange asylum, to expel him from its London embassy. He was on April 11 when British police arrested him. On the same day he was convicted of skipping bail on a Swedish investigation that had since been dropped. Assange was sentenced to 50 weeks in London’s max-security Belmarsh prison.

Comey, it seems a safe bet, still worries that Assange or one of his associates, will provide “technical evidence” enough to prove “who did not engage in the DNC releases. . . . ”

One simple question: Does Congress or FBI have proof that Russians hacked DNC server?

Every single Republican and Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence committees and every respected media and law enforcement in the world agrees and came out and said it was the Russians and it is obvious. The fact you don't know that is just another symptom of your cluelessness, brainwash functional moron. watch the BBC everyday for a year and shut the f*** **....

And yet these Republicans and Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committees as well as every respected media and law enforcement in the world, couldn't find proof that Donald Trump "colluded" with the Russians, in order to "steal" an election?

You're gonna hurt yourself if you don't quit trying so hard.

Well people on the Trump campaign Met with Russian government people over a hundred times and never wrote anything down oh, the mobbed-up Manhattan real estate assholes LOL. And Trump told them to go ahead and hack Hillary's email hours before they did try. they met with the Russians over a hundred times and never told anybody about it and lied about it. I guess that's not suspicious at all. Right, brainwashed functional idiot? Too bad you don't get about 3/4 of the news. as agreed to by every respected media outlet and law enforcement in the world. You are a disgrace, super duper.

Is that truth, or you heard it on CNN?

 

[Ame®icano]

Before Reagan, the top tax rate was 70 percent. He cut it to 50% and had some success. Then on the way out basically he cut it to 28%, and 28% or 39% or anywhere in between or 50% is not enough to keep a healthy economy. and yes I know they do not actually pay that amount. But it goes up. As it is there is not enough money to invest in infrastructure or cheap college and training for our workforce. And the amount we tax giant corporations making gigantic profits is a total scandal. Wake up and smell the coffee dumbass you're voting for scumbag greedy idiot billionaires who brainwash you with garbage propaganda. I love this inquiry because if you pay any attention, you will discover everything you know is a bunch of crap. According to every respected journalists law enforcement politician in the entire world LOL. But you listen to idiots bought off like Sean and Rush Limbaugh and much worse....

Before Woodrow Wilson there was no income tax.

What's the point of 70% tax rate if nobody is paying that much?

Why is a scandal if big corporations make "gigantic" profit?

 

[Ame®icano]

And yet these Republicans and Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committees as well as every respected media and law enforcement in the world, couldn't find proof that Donald Trump "colluded" with the Russians, in order to "steal" an election?

You're gonna hurt yourself if you don't quit trying so hard.

Well people on the Trump campaign Met with Russian government people over a hundred times and never wrote anything down oh, the mobbed-up Manhattan real estate assholes LOL. And Trump told them to go ahead and hack Hillary's email hours before they did try. they met with the Russians over a hundred times and never told anybody about it and lied about it. I guess that's not suspicious at all. Right, brainwashed functional idiot? Too bad you don't get about 3/4 of the news. as agreed to by every respected media outlet and law enforcement in the world. You are a disgrace, super duper.

Don't care. Here's a picture of me not caring...

What a crappy citizen you are, brainwashed functional moron..... Like all doops, you revert to a total troll when confronted with reality.

Actually I'm more of a citizen than yourself. I take pleasure in getting all I can out of my Second Amendment rights. You on the other hand, voluntarily choose to forfeit yours.

What kind of a "citizen" refuses to participate in an American Constitutional right?

I am happy with just hunting rifles and shotguns, all a civilized country needs. We don't need idiots like you armed with military style weapons that are dangerous and lethal and seem to drive idiots like you crazy.

AR-15 is a hunting rifle.

 

[sealybobo]

Of course Barr is investigating it,, of course you don’t want him to lol hahahahahahahh

That's like having the get away driver conduct the investigation.

Obama is conducting the investigation?

Are you really that dumb, or do you think that's whitty?

Trump literally floated the idea of pardoning himself. This is proof that American conservatives would absolutely love to be ruled by a lying dictator like Putin who is above the law. Every 4 years they would like an election but the only two choices would be right wing extremists or even farther right wing extremists. Anyone moderate is now a deep state rino.

I used to tell USMB republicans, "how come Republican politicians don't say the stupid shit you guys say here" but I can't say that anymore because Trump is the biggest conspiracy theorist being manipulated by Fox News fake news. He tweets the same stupid shit jitss617 posts.

You desperate for a win! It’s not going to happen full of rage, encourage democrats to be successful at something, maybe we will vote for you. Give it a shot

No you won't. You don't like any of our ideas. Lets see if more Americans like your ideas in 2020. You guys keep wanting to say the economy is great but it's really no different than Obama's economy unless you are rich or a corporation. In fact I believe most people are still struggling and Trump hasn't done shit but give everyone middle class a $1 raise. And it's not worth it.

Trump barely won MI, PA and WI last time and he won't win them in 2020. He's only popular with his base. Everyone else is sick of him. You'll see. Remember the midterms? Michigan is going blue and Trump needs MI, stupid.