After this...

[TemplarKormac]

An honest examination of Kirk's positions based on his own remarks reveals a man who held bigoted beliefs about gays, blacks, was a climate change denier, a gun rights zealot, espoused antisemitic views, and was Islamophobic. Making him a MAGAist's MAGAist. As a human being Kirk was not worthy of the colossally outsized response to his tragic murder. Rather, his value to the Right lies in the extent to which his death has been politicized.

And you swallow twisted facts and information without bothering to verify them. It's all an emotional response, and when people act on emotion, you are asking to ratchet up the temperature.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No one has proven he was a radical leftist.

Actually, his mother did. His trans boyfriend, and his romantic attachment to him, did.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Please tell me that it entails more than just bickering with anonymous people on an Internet web forum.

Sorry to disappoint, but the battle has to start in places like this. You can't just jump into the larger battle without starting small.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Pathetic

Why? Must I always punch back?

Why must we act like the barbarians we chastise?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Oh great....a “radicalized” moderator.

Yeah, you go with that. Just because I'm radical doesn't mean I'm not fair.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And then what?

Violence?

"If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"

-Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

 

[candycorn]

Yeah, you go with that. Just because I'm radical doesn't mean I'm not fair.

It actually does mean exactly that; you can’t be both with any integrity.. As for fairness...another right wing mod isn’t going to affect the blanace of the board; that ship sailed long ago.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It actually does mean exactly that; you can’t be both with any integrity.. As for fairness...another right wing mod isn’t going to affect the blanace of the board; that ship sailed long ago.

You can be consumed by your paranoia if you wish, but attacking me will only amplify it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually, his mother did. His trans boyfriend, and his romantic attachment to him, did.

I think it's not that helpful to just say "he was an extreme leftist".

Mostly what happens is one side says "he's this, and he did this, therefore the whole of that wing is bad"

The reality is he grew up in Utah, he grew up in the United States.

He's a product of these places.

Say for example we had a time machine, what would people do different to have prevented the assassination? What could have changed in childhood, what could have changed in Utah or in the US to stop this from happening?

Then you might come to a picture of why this happened, instead of trying to paint everyone with the same brush.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I think it's not that helpful to just say "he was an extreme leftist".

Then what was he?

Mostly what happens is one side says "he's this, and he did this, therefore the whole of that wing is bad"

Then why do we give in to that notion? I would wager we are both guilty of it.

The reality is he grew up in Utah, he grew up in the United States.

He's a product of these places.

So, now you are making an inference. Given the political alignment of the state, you may as well infer he was a conservative.

Say for example we had a time machine, what would people do different to have prevented the assassination? What could have changed in childhood, what could have changed in Utah or in the US to stop this from happening?

Quantum physics isn't my forte.

But I will say this. The current political climate contributed to this. What we allowed to permeate the minds of our young ones.

Then you might come to a picture of why this happened, instead of trying to paint everyone with the same brush.

"The reality is he grew up in Utah, he grew up in the United States. He's a product of these places."

 

[frigidweirdo]

Then what was he?




Then why do we give in to that notion? I would wager we are both guilty of it.


So, now you are making an inference. Given the political alignment of the state, you may as well infer he was a conservative.



Quantum physics isn't my forte.

But I will say this. The current political climate contributed to this. What we allowed to permeate the minds of our young ones.



"The reality is he grew up in Utah, he grew up in the United States. He's a product of these places."

Yeah, what was he?

That's hard for me to say, because I don't know.

But most likely he was either a very angry young person who found extremism as a way of an outlet for his anger, or a person who found his parents and his community were not right and he fought back against that.

Yes, I'm sure the conservative nature of Utah and the conservatives within the US had an impact on him. The things I've read suggest this is the case.

The left wing in the US has its extremes and social media is making this a lot easier to access in the past too. So, being brought up in a potentially repressive right wing state and community and family, he probably reacted to that by going to the opposite of extremes.

Take for example Mussolini, he used to be far left then turned far right. Why? Because he was about extremes more than about being left or right.

Yes, the current political system, with two parties, with votes with no access to sensible politics, no access to other ideas other than what rich people are telling them to think, the fight between two crazies is having a HUGE IMPACT on people.

People don't know any different. Talk about Proportional Representation and people are like "No, we don't have it" as if that explains why the US shouldn't have it or "it's unconstitutional" or "we're not Europe"

People need to be told by their handlers what it is for them to care what it is. Their handlers don't like it, because they get their control from the FPTP system.

I'm not painting everyone with the same brush saying he's from Utah. I'm saying you need to look at what's happening, the mainstream right in Utah is quite right wing. That's just fact, it's something that impacts someone. Different people will come out of it seeing things differently, obviously not everyone in Utah goes around killing Charlie Kirk (there is another one who is still alive, Charlie Kirk (footballer) - Wikipedia plays for Altrincham in England, I wonder what his life is like right now).

but I understand why such a statement could give such a response from you, because you grew up in the crazy political system of "there's only two parties, Reps and Dems" "you're either with us, or against us" kind of politics.

I'm not like that. I do often talk with people who are opposed to me, hence why I talk about right wing politics a lot, but that's because talking with people I agree with is often super boring.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm not like that. I do often talk with people who are opposed to me, hence why I talk about right wing politics a lot, but that's because talking with people I agree with is often super boring.

That's generally my sentiment.

 

[Leo123]

After this, after I saw the service, how Erika conquered sorrow itself to deliver a message of forgiveness, how she pleaded for unity, I couldn't take it anymore. I am a conservative, but a political atheist. I don't believe in a two-party system; however, I find that my views constantly draw the ire of the political left. The same political left that spawned the assassin who killed Charlie Kirk. After what has transpired, I have been radicalized. I find that this is a battle I cannot avoid. I don't go looking for a battle to fight, but I feel this battle has found me. I feel, as a conservative, something stirring within me. I want to fight back in my own way, conquer this senseless violence with the gifts I have been given. Not with fists or guns, but with speech and intelligence. With raw facts and reality. With brains, not brawn.

All I ever wanted for America was for her citizens to get along, but I fear that time may have long since passed. Can I be a political pacifist anymore? Can I sit idly by while others fight for their beliefs in the political arena? I feel like I can no longer run from this anymore.

The old saying goes: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war." Though I wouldn't qualify this as a war... yet. I never wanted to be anyone's enemy, but on the left, they insist on making me one. So be it. If they wish to wage a political fight, one done with words instead of bullets, so be it. I am here. The gauntlet is thrown.

After this, there can be given no quarter to those who insist on violence to quell the speech of those they disagree with. I will be as Charlie was, a challenger, a debater, and a God fearing conservative.

May God rest your soul, Charlie.

All one had to do is actually watch any one of Kirk's Turning Point 'Prove Me Wrong' events to see how the youth on our campuses have been groomed in the Marxist mold. Charlie wanted to debate these kids. If you watch, you will see many clever ignorant people. Charlie would explain his position calmly and ask logical questions like 'what is a woman?' He would always thank them after their chat. Here are a few.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

After this, after I saw the service, how Erika conquered sorrow itself to deliver a message of forgiveness, how she pleaded for unity, I couldn't take it anymore. I am a conservative, but a political atheist. I don't believe in a two-party system; however, I find that my views constantly draw the ire of the political left. The same political left that spawned the assassin who killed Charlie Kirk. After what has transpired, I have been radicalized. I find that this is a battle I cannot avoid. I don't go looking for a battle to fight, but I feel this battle has found me. I feel, as a conservative, something stirring within me. I want to fight back in my own way, conquer this senseless violence with the gifts I have been given. Not with fists or guns, but with speech and intelligence. With raw facts and reality. With brains, not brawn.

All I ever wanted for America was for her citizens to get along, but I fear that time may have long since passed. Can I be a political pacifist anymore? Can I sit idly by while others fight for their beliefs in the political arena? I feel like I can no longer run from this anymore.

The old saying goes: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war." Though I wouldn't qualify this as a war... yet. I never wanted to be anyone's enemy, but on the left, they insist on making me one. So be it. If they wish to wage a political fight, one done with words instead of bullets, so be it. I am here. The gauntlet is thrown.

After this, there can be given no quarter to those who insist on violence to quell the speech of those they disagree with. I will be as Charlie was, a challenger, a debater, and a God fearing conservative.

May God rest your soul, Charlie.

I'm curious. Why was what Kirk's wife did, in declaring she forgives her husband's killer something that you all see as so unusual?

 

[Rogue AI]

Convenient that you leave off the assassinations and attempted assassinations of Democrats this year.
The thread that connects all these zealots is called "crazy".

By Walz's hitman? No need to rub your noses in it. You lot are quite violent, you even kill your own.

 

[Edgetho]

Why? Must I always punch back?

Why must we act like the barbarians we chastise?

Because..... People like you are why we're where we're at today. 100%

dimocraps are scum. You destroy scum, you don't bargain with them. You don't have a ******* conversation with them, you don't try to make them "See The Light" you don't try to to reform them or enlighten them or educate them.

You destroy them.

They mock you for making peace overtures, they see you as weak, a coward, unwilling to fight. They will wait out this storm, make slurping and sucking noises like they actually give a ****, then as soon as you let your guard down (was it ever up?) they will stab you in the back. Again.

And you'll go through the whole ******* process -- again. You'll try to "Have a Conversation" with them, you'll try to make peace with them, you'll try to compromise with them, they'll mutter a few insincere words, you'll think you've achieved something and as soon as you turn your back...... They'll stab you/us in it -- Again.

Then you'll try to reform them, compromise, educate..... Am I ******* getting through to you yet?

Didn't think so. Yes, you are not part of the problem, you ARE the problem. The Warriors among us would tear into dimocrap FILTH and send them to Hell where they belong. But there's always the ******* peacemakers among us that hold us back.

You ARE the problem. If you don't have the balls to do what needs to be done, at least have a enough courage to get the **** out of the way.

Could you at least manage that for us??

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth. ALL of them. And people like you are their Enablers.

 

[Lisa558]

Yeah, you go with that. Just because I'm radical doesn't mean I'm not fair.

I’m glad we finally have a conservative on the mod team.

 

[kyzr]

And you swallow twisted facts and information without bothering to verify them. It's all an emotional response, and when people act on emotion, you are asking to ratchet up the temperature.

With berg its not emotion, its 100% TDS

 

[x chicago]

I'm curious. Why was what Kirk's wife did, in declaring she forgives her husband's killer something that you all see as so unusual?

There was no apology.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm curious. Why was what Kirk's wife did, in declaring she forgives her husband's killer something that you all see as so unusual?

You don’t think it’s unusual for the widow of someone murdered in cold blood, killed due primarily to the hateful lies spread about him, to be able to forgive the killer just several days afterwards?