Originally posted by amish1
Actually, homie, It is my future. I am a 13 year old. And I, as well as most of my friends are ready to fight for freedom. Instead of using your time whinig about Bush, why don't you work on WWII. Hitler killed 8 million people. Look at that. Osama killed 3.5 thousand. Hello, wake up. i am not saying go on a rampage of fighting but, you have to admit, Kim Jong Il is bad. What religion are you. In Iraq, if you were any thing but Muslim, and you proclained it, you were shot. Coalition forces found Tigers in cages, littered with David's Star and Cross necklaces. Oh, and you say that is not cruel. Bush is not a killer. I think you need to get your facts straight.
Easy tiger (sorry about the pun) but I am neither anti-american or a bleeding heart liberal. You should re-read my post, and then you should check out a few articles on
www.guardianunlimited.co.uk, which is the website for the most objective newspaper in the UK. Well, it is about the only one not owned by Rupert Murdoch and not spouting anti-muslim propaganda (he owns the Fox Corporation by the way) every two seconds.
So you and your 13-year old buddies (vaguely disturbing) are ready to fight for freedom, eh? What freedom? You already have it mate! You have so much more freedom as an American, then so many other people in the darker corners of this world. Yes, Saddam's regime was oppressive and terrible, he was a murderous bastard. But (if we're talking cold hard facts here - and me not getting them right) then we should also remember that his gassing of the Kurds before Bush Snr's war was funded by the US. We gave him chemical weapons and aid and told him to go and kill shitloads of Iranian people, this is FACT, there is a picture (that is quite famous here in the UK) of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand right before the friggin' deal was made....but I guess you don't see that kind of stuff on the Fox network do you?
Religion. Why does that matter? What if i'm a good christian then I should support Bush? That is Newspeak, i'm afraid. I was baptised, and I believe very much in Jesus's radical moral teachings of forgiveness and love. I just have a problem with the amount of people that have lost their lives to crusades undertaken in his name. This has driven me to the secular utopia I nowadays inhabit. I believe in playing rock 'n' roll music as a vehicle to communicate my concerns, pre-marital sex (why not, it's fun after all), occasional dope-smoking and keeping my friends happy. And no, I don't worry about hell, because Evangelists threaten it with so much fire and brimstone that I can't help but see it as a tool of mind control. And yes, I'm lucky to have these freedoms, and if I were an Iraqi i'd probably be long dead. But i'm not, I can only stand back and watch as mindless terrorists threaten my little England.
You must remember that these countries are so far removed from our western cultures and are still developing at a pace that is so far behind us, that they are virtually alien. It's only because of business (see oil) ties that the administration leading your country
takes an active interest in them. Some of the younger peoples in these places would desperately love the freedoms available to you and I. But whose to say that it is America's business to police them and take out regimes. If bombs started falling in and around where you live, you'd be hard pressed to say 'Oh freedom's coming and it feels great!'. If on your way to school you had to avert your eyes from the severed limbs and body parts strewn in the gutter.
And as for WW2, don't go there my friend. Bush comparing Blair to Churchill is as stomach-churningly pugilent as him using images of the innocent dead (9/11) to bolster his re-election campaign. Hitler invaded Poland and began to kill off a whole race. We had no choice but to fight. My grandfathers both fought because the Nazis were on our doorstep and would have enslaved us. Men died so I could write this today, and I have never been anything but eternally grateful. My closest grandfather died a month and a a half ago and at his cremation his coffin was adorned with medals of bravery.I wept like a baby at the funeral, because, right up to the day of his passing he would watch the news and curse what he saw as a pointless war founded on lies and secret business agendas. And he knows what it's like see a best friend take a bullet in the face for the sake of a greater good. He knows more about the real nature of war than you and I could possibly imagine.
Yeah lil' Kim (NK) is slightly worrying, but they are a country stooped in a long history of anti-Americanism. They'll be alright as long as the US promises not to pick a fight.
You should look at the wider implications of things. America is not the world, i'm afraid to inform you. And no, i'm NOT anti-american. I love American culture; i'm a big fan of the Detroit music scene, and I read more American literature then anything else because I believe it to be the best, and I think your country has inspired some great thinkers (although summing up your post i'd guess you'd disagree with most of my choices) and artists. I just think Bush has got it wrong with his foreign policy and so do over half of the population of the British Isles. And that's quite a lot of people. Plus, what sort of allies are we in this war, when most of our residents don't agree with it?
PS 'Bush is not a killer'. Well, he did sign away the lives of more death row inmates than any other governor in American history when he held the Texan office. Including a guy with the mental age of six, oh and he defended that by calling it 'God's work'.
There you go my learned friend, that is pretty much a summation of everything I feel about your 'President' and the abuse of Christianity in two sentences.
Turn off your TV and do some f**king reading before you lose your power of Judgement. Remember, if there is a God, He's watching you!
