"after America, There Is No Place To Go"

[frigidweirdo]

"After America , There is No Place to Go"​

yes its exactly as Ronald Reagan said: "America is the last best hope for freedom on earth."


Its perhaps a losing battle though, the liberal cancer is metastasizing all around us and is now even in the White House!

Or it's like complete and utter BULL.

If America is the last hope for freedom then it's lost, gone, kaput.

America picks and chooses what freedom is in its own interests. Venezuela's freedom was clearly not in the US interests which is why the US helped to take down a democratically elected leader, and this was in 2002. Not only that, once said democratically elected leader was put back in place, the US spend years telling everyone he was a DICTATOR.

All the while supporting the Saudis and pretending they're nice and warm and fuzzy, and don't have a human rights record to make you poop your pants every 10 minutes.

The difference? Both are OPEC, one supports the US the other doesn't.

Freedom my arse. The US govt doesn't give a damn if countries are free or not, it cares if they support the US or not.

 

[Unkotare]

"After America , There is No Place to Go"​

yes its exactly as Ronald Reagan said: "America is the last best hope for freedom on earth."


Its perhaps a losing battle though, the liberal cancer is metastasizing all around us and is now even in the White House!

Or it's like complete and utter BULL.

If America is the last hope for freedom then it's lost, gone, kaput.

America picks and chooses what freedom is in its own interests. Venezuela's freedom was clearly not in the US interests which is why the US helped to take down a democratically elected leader, and this was in 2002. Not only that, once said democratically elected leader was put back in place, the US spend years telling everyone he was a DICTATOR.

All the while supporting the Saudis and pretending they're nice and warm and fuzzy, and don't have a human rights record to make you poop your pants every 10 minutes.

The difference? Both are OPEC, one supports the US the other doesn't.

Freedom my arse. The US govt doesn't give a damn if countries are free or not, it cares if they support the US or not.

Where do you live?

 

[Wildman]

I don't doubt her sincerity but having lived and worked for many years overseas under a totalitarian regime I know what does and doesn't constitute such an entity. If there is going to be one in this nation it will come from those who claim they want to "protect us" from that happening. At the present I am hearing that from the extreme right rather than from the left.

Beware of those who would frighten you into believing that your fellow Americans are the "enemy" and be even more wary of those who claim that they can "protect" you from them. That applies to both extremes so I am not pointing fingers here because both extremes are equally capable of it.

We the People must protect our own rights from those who would take them away. We grow when we expand rights like gay marriage. We are threatened when we restrict rights like making it harder for everyone to vote. The biggest threat to our rights today is Citizens United in my opinion. Corporations are not part of We the People and should be banned from all elections in my opinion.

>>>>>>>
the first thing i did when i got to this part: > > "At the present I am hearing that from the extreme right rather than from the left." was i re-read your post then damn near

just wondering if you have been paying attention to some of the bile the left wingers have been spewing, they hate America and want to disarm us patriots by demanding we give up our guns, we.., who believe in Americas greatness will not allow such as your above quote, it IS the lefttards who want Americas destruction.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Where do you live?

Do you really expect me to divulge information on a board that mostly consists of personal attacks? I don't, just as a matter of principle.

 

[Unkotare]

Where do you live?

Do you really expect me to divulge information on a board that mostly consists of personal attacks? I don't, just as a matter of principle.

Just looking for a country, not your street address.

 

[BluesLegend]

>>>>>>>
the first thing i did when i got to this part: > > "At the present I am hearing that from the extreme right rather than from the left." was i re-read your post then damn near

just wondering if you have been paying attention to some of the bile the left wingers have been spewing, they hate America and want to disarm us patriots by demanding we give up our guns, we.., who believe in Americas greatness will not allow such as your above quote, it IS the lefttards who want Americas destruction.

What does the left want? If we are going to negotiate a compromise with them lets begin there. From what I can tell the left wants to take over 50% of what I earn and use MY money to buy votes via government hand outs. They call this wealth redistribution and fair share and wealth inequality etc. Well that's a non-starter, I'm already working overtime while I see millions of able bodied deadbeats sitting on their fat asses sucking up the welfare, enough already.

 

[candycorn]

Kitty Werthmann is a native Austrian, now in her 80's, who lived and remembers living under the Third Reich in the years leading up to WWII. Subsequently a naturalized American citizen she has spent the larger part of her life speaking on socialism and how Hitler managed to come to power, slowly, by fits and starts, but relentlessly.

The following is posted in its entirety as its source is contained strictly in emails and therefore is not a copyright violation. Snopes and other fact checking groups have researched its origin and have not been able to locate an original source. It does strongly follow the context of what Werthmann would say.

For those who don't wish to read the whole long thing, the money paragraph is here:

"Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria .Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom."

For the purpose of this discussion, could some or all of this happen in the USA? Is some or all of it happening already? At an even slower pace that what Werthmann describes in Austria?

Or can we be complacent and confident that this relates to us in no way?

America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
By: Kitty Werthmann

What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote.. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food.. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.

The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.

Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it.. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

"Mercy Killing" Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.

When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

No more freedom of speech.
Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria .Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.

"It's true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away

"After America , There is No Place to Go"​

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just looking for a country, not your street address.

Doesn't matter.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Replace Hitler with Obama in the OP's piece and you see America's future unless we change course now.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Kitty Werthmann is a native Austrian, now in her 80's, who lived and remembers living under the Third Reich in the years leading up to WWII. Subsequently a naturalized American citizen she has spent the larger part of her life speaking on socialism and how Hitler managed to come to power, slowly, by fits and starts, but relentlessly.

The following is posted in its entirety as its source is contained strictly in emails and therefore is not a copyright violation. Snopes and other fact checking groups have researched its origin and have not been able to locate an original source. It does strongly follow the context of what Werthmann would say.

For those who don't wish to read the whole long thing, the money paragraph is here:

"Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria .Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom."

For the purpose of this discussion, could some or all of this happen in the USA? Is some or all of it happening already? At an even slower pace that what Werthmann describes in Austria?

Or can we be complacent and confident that this relates to us in no way?

America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away
By: Kitty Werthmann

What I am about to tell you is something you've probably never heard or will ever read in history books.
I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide - 98% of the vote.. I've never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food.. Not that they didn't want to work; there simply weren't any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need.. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people - about 30 daily.

The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group -- Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn't support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

Hitler Targets Education - Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:
Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler's picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang "Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles," and had physical education.

Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it.. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn't do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun - no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn't exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

Equal Rights Hits Home:
In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn't work, you didn't get a ration card, and if you didn't have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn't have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.
Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:
When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:
Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn't meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.
We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

"Mercy Killing" Redefined:
In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded.

When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

The Final Steps - Gun Laws:
Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

No more freedom of speech.
Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

Totalitarianism didn't come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria .Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria. Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn't destroy, they burned. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn't, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.

"It's true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away

"After America , There is No Place to Go"​

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

Your freedoms were intact during the Bush presidency. Not so much with the Obama regime.. Tell me, can you avoid buying Obamacare? Hmm?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

Your freedoms were intact during the Bush presidency. Not so much with the Obama regime.. Tell me, can you avoid buying Obamacare? Hmm?[/QUOTE]

Must mean the North Koreans are free, seeing as they don't have to buy Obamacare and this is the be all and end all of what freedom is about.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

"America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don't Let Freedom Slip Away"

This thread fails as a false comparison fallacy, as Germany prior to the advent of Hitler and the United States today are in no way alike.


The thread also fails as hyperbolic demagoguery and fear-mongering nonsense, to make the ridiculous and unfounded 'argument' that the Nazi aberration could somehow manifest in the United States.

^^^. Famous Alinsky tactic.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

Your freedoms were intact during the Bush presidency. Not so much with the Obama regime.. Tell me, can you avoid buying Obamacare? Hmm?

Must mean the North Koreans are free, seeing as they don't have to buy Obamacare and this is the be all and end all of what freedom is about.[/QUOTE]
If this is what you call a rebuttal then I'm very embarrassed for you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

Your freedoms were intact during the Bush presidency. Not so much with the Obama regime.. Tell me, can you avoid buying Obamacare? Hmm?

Must mean the North Koreans are free, seeing as they don't have to buy Obamacare and this is the be all and end all of what freedom is about.

If this is what you call a rebuttal then I'm very embarrassed for you.[/QUOTE]

Well it wasn't. It was making a point, that having to buy Obamacare is hardly the end of freedom.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Just looking for a country, not your street address.

Doesn't matter.

There are ways for us to find out. You revealed too much already ha ha Ha!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Good thing we got rid of Bush when we did.

Your freedoms were intact during the Bush presidency. Not so much with the Obama regime.. Tell me, can you avoid buying Obamacare? Hmm?

Must mean the North Koreans are free, seeing as they don't have to buy Obamacare and this is the be all and end all of what freedom is about.

If this is what you call a rebuttal then I'm very embarrassed for you.

Well it wasn't. It was making a point, that having to buy Obamacare is hardly the end of freedom.[/QUOTE]
It's not "having to buy" it's being forced to buy Obamacare

 

[Foxfyre]

iAgain I appeal to the troops here and ask that we treat each other nicely. The purpose of the OP is not to go after each other but offers an opportunity to discuss a concept.

The OP does not suggest that Austria is America. They are different countries, different cultures, and these are different times. The OP does not compare Hitler with Obama. They are different men in different times with, in my opinion, different motives.

I do not vouch for the accuracy of the history as related by Ms. Werthmann. The article appears to relate what she remembers it from her own experience, and, as I have already posted, there is no way to verify that she actually wrote it. Snopes says they are working on it and can neither affirm nor deny it.

What the article does suggest is that things are not always as they seem, and liberties can be lost by seemingly noble and good things.

It is interesting that it is mostly our leftists here who hate the article and object to it strongly. And it seems to resonate with those on the right.

I'll ask those on the left why they find it so offensive? And those on the right why it resonates with them?

I'm off to church and brunch now but will return by mid morning mountain time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just looking for a country, not your street address.

Doesn't matter.

There are ways for us to find out. You revealed too much already ha ha Ha!

I'll give you five guess, I bet you can't get it right. Doesn't matter either way, you can speculate based on things I've said, but you don't know and this isn't the place for childish games. Unfortunately a debate board for politics is still a place full of people who will just insult you for everything and anything, quite sad I guess

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's not "having to buy" it's being forced to buy Obamacare

So.....?

You are FORCED to pay taxes, sometimes you're forced to die, you're forced to obey rules and you're forced to pay things every so often. So what?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What do you mean after America, there's no place to go? They can always go back to Guatemala!