Africans Did Not Do This.

[IM2]

Yeah, he was. AFRICANS enslaved fellow AFRICANS.

You want reparations? Go whine to them.

No, I'll ask the white Americans who bred 3.6 million blacks to use as slaves, then implemented apartheid and who still practice systemic racism against blacks.

 

[westwall]

No, I'll ask the white Americans who bred 3.6 million blacks to use as slaves, then implemented apartheid and who still practice systemic racism against blacks.

Countered by the more than 400,000 whites who died ending slavery.

You are owed NOTHING.

 

[Doc7505]

Lemon was not schooled.

Approximately 400,00 Africans were shipped to America by 1808. By 1860, there were 4 million blacks here. Africans dif not create 9 times more blacks than got shipped here. Whites breeding slaves did. Africans did not create Black Codes. Africans did not create Jim Crow by the Plessy decision and Africans are not practicing systemic racism now. That Englishman was disingenuous but thats how racists do things. The British army was posted in Africa and not every African that ended up a slave was sold willingly by other Africans. The English gave favored tribes guns to use in exchange for war captives in a whole lot of cases.

Seems like this part of the story evades some white people.

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Indeed, you can see this in all the Caribbean Islands and South America where the indigenous populations were completely wiped out and no longer exist.
You can thank the European Colonists of the 17th and 18th Centuries for that.

The Arawak Peoples

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The Spanish and New World Slavery · African Laborers for a New Empire: Iberia, Slavery, and the Atlantic World · Lowcountry Digital History Initiative

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[IM2]

Let's now destroy another excuse.

I have seen members of the right wing tell that tired story of Africans selling each other, so whites can't be held responsible for current racism. To these types everything ended after slavery. So let's address that issue.

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”
-Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

So by 1808, 389,000 Africans had been shipped to America. Even though most of them were not voluntarily handed over as described, I'll humor the racists and pretend that's how it happened.

3.611,000, more blacks were in the United States in 1860 than were dropped off here by 1808.

This happened because slaves were bred like cattle.

Africans did not produce those slaves. 9 times more slaves were produced by white slave breeders than Africans sold to Americans.

So the Africans sold Africans tale is disingenuous.

It's time to stop making excuses.

 

[IM2]

Countered by the more than 400,000 whites who died ending slavery.

You are owed NOTHING.

There is no counter because millions of whites practiced Jim Crow after the civil war.

Try again.

 

[westwall]

There is no counter because millions of whites practiced Jim Crow after the civil war.

Try again.

No, they didn't. A few hundred thousand DEMOCRATS did that. Go argue with them.

 

[miketx]

“Africans sold their own people as slaves is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.”
-Queen Adira​

The major problem with the excuses is that America had every chance not to own slaves. We are told by some how the so-called founders of this country created the way to end slavery when they wrote the constitution. Many will cite the fact they made the importation of slaves illegal by 1808 as evidence. But refusing to stop importing slaves did not end the slaving business in the United States. What it produced was an original American industry-slave breeding.

You see, if America had continued to import slaves, it would have diluted the market thereby driving down the costs of slaves. Slave sellers could not have this. So instead of the truth, we are told that “our nearer to God than thee” founders in all their benevolent glory, looked towards a future whereby slavery would be no more. According to some, the so-called founders had a dream whereby little black boys and little black girls would no longer be enslaved because of the color of their skin. This is the story we are supposed to believe. However, reality does not show that.

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

To be blunt, America had slave breeding “factories” where slaves were forced to breed. I call them factories but in most cases they are described as farms. These “farms” generally had at least a 2:1 female to male ratio. In some states, slave production was the number 1 industry. Virginia led the nation in slave production and PRESIDENT Thomas Jefferson was one of the main producers. The slave breeding industry has been hidden and left out of the annals of American history. This was done on purpose.

After reading how this was done it becomes very easy to see why. There are just some wrongs that cannot be excused by the belief that holding past generations to modern standards is wrong. Basically, the slave breeding industry manufactured human beings to be sold into labor. It is very difficult to read the atrocities associated with such a practice and not get angry. To hear whites today just dismiss the entire enterprise of slavery like it was just some short term inconsequential inconvenience this country experienced for a little while that we as blacks should just forget is for the lack of a better word, crap. For someone black to mimic that opinion is just pure accommodationist lunacy. If you think that is a radical opinion, consider the stories from former slaves you are about to read.

Plenty of the colored women have children by the white men. She know better than to not do what he say. Didn’t have much of that until the men from South Carolina come up here [North Carolina] and settle and bring slaves. Then they take them very same children what have they own blood and make slaves out of them. If the Missus find out she raise revolution. But she hardly find out. The white men not going to tell and the ****** women were always afraid to. So they jes go on hopin’ that thing won’t be that way always.

W. L. BOST, enslaved in North Carolina, interviewed 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]​

The slave traders would buy young and able farm men and well developed young girls with fine physique to barter and sell. They would bring them to the taverns where there would be the buyers and traders, display them and offer them for sale. At one of these gatherings a colored girl, a mulatto of fine stature and good looks, was put on sale. She was of high spirits and determined disposition. At night she was taken by the trader to his room to satisfy his bestial nature. She could not be coerced or forced, so she was attacked by him. In the struggle she grabbed a knife and with it, she sterilized him and from the result of injury he died the next day. She was charged with murder. Gen. Butler, hearing of it, sent troops to Charles County [Maryland] to protect her, they brought her to to Baltimore, later she was taken to Washington where she was set free. . . This attack was the result of being good looking, for which many a poor girl in Charles County paid the price. There are several cases I could mention, but they are distasteful to me. . . .

RICHARD MACKS, enslaved in Maryland, interviewed 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]​

One time dey sent me on Ol’ man Mack Williams’ farm here in Jasper County [Georgia]. Dat man would kill you sho. If dat little branch on his plantation could talk it would tell many a tale ’bout folks bein’ knocked in de head. I done seen Mack Williams kill folks an’ I done seen ’im have folks killed. One day he tol’ me dat if my wife had been good lookin’, I never would sleep wid her agin ’cause he’d kill me an’ take her an’ raise chilluns off’n her. Dey uster [used to] take women away fum dere husbands an’ put wid some other man to breed jes’ like dey would do cattle. Dey always kept a man penned up an’ dey used ’im like a stud hoss.

WILLIAM WARD, enslaved in Georgia, interviewed 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]​

Durin’ slavery if one marster had a big boy en ’nuther had a big gal de marsters made dem libe tergedder. Ef’n de ’oman didn’t hab any chilluns, she wuz put on de block en sold en ’nuther ’oman bought. You see dey raised de chilluns ter mek money on jes lak we raise pigs ter sell.

SYLVIA WATKINS, enslaved in Tennessee, interviewed ca. 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project] ​

One white lady that lived near us at McBean slipped in a colored gal’s room and cut her baby’s head clean off ’cause it belonged to her husband. He beat her ’bout it and started to kill her, but she begged so I reckon he got to feelin’ sorry for her. But he kept goin’ with the colored gal and they had more chillun.

Unnamed former slave, enslaved in Georgia, interviewed ca. 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]​

This industry included the first employer-based health care program. Female slaves were the first people in America to get free health care. I do not say this to be funny because the reason why that happened was both sad and simple; after the importation of slaves was made illegal, white dependence on slave labor hinged on the continued births of healthy children. After importation was made illegal, the only way left to maintain the system was by increasing the number of slaves through births. Due to this, a black women’s ability to reproduce was of the utmost economic importance to southern planters and to the slave breeders.

I think we need to understand how depraved things were during these times. The range of sexual abuses black slaves included buck breaking, whereby slave masters would rape enslaved black men. Buck Breaking was used as a method to control slave uprisings. If a male slave was considered a trouble maker, the slave master would give that slave a severe beating. Once the slave was beaten basically unconscious, the slave master made the other slaves lay him over a tree stump where his pants would be taken off and the slave owner would perform sodomy on that slave. Enslaved men were forced to have sex with each other in front of their families and they were also raped in front of their sons. Many of these men would kill themselves or run away after this happened to them. However buck breaking was not only used to stop potential slave rebellions.

Black men were also raped for pleasure. Gay people are not a product of modern “liberals.” Gays and lesbians have always been part of the world community. Gay slave owners existed. Gay slave owners bought male slaves. Gay slave owners raped their slaves. Buck breaking got so good to some that “Sex Farms” were created to breed black men for gay white men to have sex with. Gay white men would travel from plantation to plantation in order to rape slaves. I really do not know any other way to describe this because the black men involved really had no choice in what was happening to them.

Buck breaking was part of the slave breeding industry. As I wrote earlier, breeding factories were in business to increase the population of black people by forcing them to have sex in order to maintain cheap slave labor. In many cases black men had to sleep with their daughters, mothers or sisters. If they refused, they were killed. The derogatory term motherfucker originates from this practice. Conversely, black women were forced to sleep with their sons and brothers. Black women were routinely raped by slave owners who felt they were doing these women a favor.

Slaves worked for free. But that did not mean they had no value. Indeed, slaves were literally more valuable than gold. Ned & Constance Sublette wrote “The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry “ the following passage is from a blog titled “A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry in the United States,” by Jason Kottke who quotes a Pacific Standard review of the book:

“By a conservative estimate, in 1860 the total value of American slaves was $4 billion, far more than the gold and silver then circulating nationally ($228.3 million, “most of it in the North,” the authors add), total currency ($435.4 million), and even the value of the South’s total farmland ($1.92 billion). Slaves were, to slavers, worth more than everything else they could imagine combined.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry​

Slaves were worth more than the total currency plus all the farmland in the South combined yet did not receive a dime. As I write this America has 1.9 trillion dollars of total currency in circulation according to the federal reserve. In 1860 the total value of slaves was 17- and one-half times more than the money circulating in the economy. Giving todays amount of currency in circulation, the same equivalence in comparison to the value of slaves would make slaves worth 33,250,000,000,000 dollars. Remember that slaves were considered property. Because they were, the following activity could occur.

During slavery, more specifically during the 19th century, wealthy slaveowners looking for a way to get additional capital to buy more slaves came up with an idea- slave backed securities. Your eyes are not playing tricks on you. Slaveowners securitized slavery. Cornell professors Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman detailed how it was done in an article published by the Chicago Sun-Times on its website dated March 7, 2014. This is from the article:

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea: mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds. But though slavery ended in 1865, in the years after the Civil War, black entrepreneurs would find themselves excluded from a financial system originally built on their bodies.

Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves
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So whites didn't have to own slaves. They could purchase slave bonds or other slave back securities. Not only in America but in Europe.

Africans did not do this.

We did not sell each other into slavery, http://reunionblackfamily.com/apps/blog/show/11782086-we-did-not-sell-each-other-into-slavery

William Spivey, The Truth About American Slave Breeding Farms, June 9, 2019, The Truth About American Slave Breeding Farms

Rashid Booker, Slave Breeding Farms of "Africans in North America", Slave Breeding Farms of "Africans in North America"

America’s slaves breeding farms: what history books never told you, February 26, 2020, America’s slaves breeding farms: what history books never told you

Elizabeth Ofosuah Johnson, 5 horrifying ways enslaved African men were sexually exploited and abused by their white masters, October 11, 2018, 5 horrifying ways enslaved African men were sexually exploited and abused by their white masters - Page 3 of 6 - Face2Face Africa.

Isaac Somto, Buck Breaking, How African Male Slaves Were Raped, July 27, 2020, Buck Breaking, How African Male Slaves Were Raped | Vocal Africa

Jason Kottke, A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry in the United States, Feb 02, 2016, A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry in the United States

Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves, Chicago Sun-Times.com March 7, 2014, derived from: American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

Liar.

 

[miketx]

There is no counter because millions of whites practiced Jim Crow after the civil war.

Try again.

You were there and saw it? lmao.

 

[MisterBeale]

Dumb thread. Unfollowing.

Every place on the planet endorsed slavery hundreds of years ago.

Using this fact as an excuse to grind your socialist agenda is a disingenuous and dishonest political tactic.

You are more intelligent, and better than this. Go to the politics forum and argue you case based on AI technology and the automation of society. It is the GD twenty first century.

All of this was, and has been foreseen by many futurists. Naturally, racial minorities, due to their out-group disadvantages, or going to get the short end of the stick in the new economy. But? It has nothing to do with slavery and Jim Crow of the past.

Playing the race card, and the victim card, over and over again, expecting only advantages for person of a certain ethnicity, will only damage society. If you want UBI, it needs to be fair.

 

[MisterBeale]

What Islamic country is that?

All of them did.

Generally, they would not let their slaves survive or breed though. They are more racist than western nations.

All traces are gone.

 

[surada]

All of them did.

Generally, they would not let their slaves survive or breed though. They are more racist than western nations.

All traces are gone.

Nope. Children born to a slave woman by the master have full rights like his legitimate children. The Koran says God smiles when a slave is freed. Back in the old days before slavery was ended slaves were allowed to work and save money for their freedom.

 

[surada]

You were there and saw it? lmao.

Yes. Lots of Americans remember Jim Crowe laws.

 

[MisterBeale]

Nope. Children born to a slave woman by the master have full rights like his legitimate children. The Koran says God smiles when a slave is freed. Back in the old days before slavery was ended slaves were allowed to work and save money for their freedom.

Do you . . . .

Never mind.

Tidiane N'Diaye - Wikipedia

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The Veiled Genocide: A forgotten Historic Tragedy - Middle East Resources

Forgotten slavery: The Arab-Muslim slave trade | FairPlanet

Over the years, global focus and discourse on slavery has concentrated on the Trans-Atlantic trade that featured American and European merchants. One other trade has however remained largely ignored, and at times has even been treated as a taboo subject, despite being a key component of African...

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[MisterBeale]

Can you imagine? If every black man or Chinamen, that was needed to pick cotton, or work on a railroad, we require to be castrated before the set foot in the new world?

Yep, that is how racist and xenophobic the Muslims were.

America would look a lot different today, tell you what.

 

[surada]

Do you . . . .

Never mind.

Tidiane N'Diaye - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Veiled Genocide: A forgotten Historic Tragedy - Middle East Resources

Forgotten slavery: The Arab-Muslim slave trade | FairPlanet

Over the years, global focus and discourse on slavery has concentrated on the Trans-Atlantic trade that featured American and European merchants. One other trade has however remained largely ignored, and at times has even been treated as a taboo subject, despite being a key component of African...

www.fairplanet.org

The Arabs didn't have plantations. They had small populations and very little food. They couldn't afford to own many slaves. I remember meeting some slaves in the 1950s who were working to save a nest egg when they were emancipated in 1963. They were actually freed on the death of ibn Saud in 1953, but they could choose to stay and work for money to prepare for their freedom.

 

[braalian]

No excuses are necessary.

No living white American has ever owned a slave.

No living black American has ever been a slave.

If black people deserve reparations from the American government, than I with Irish ancestry deserve reparations from the United Kingdom.

It’s all ridiculous.

 

[surada]

Can you imagine? If every black man or Chinamen, that was needed to pick cotton, or work on a railroad, we require to be castrated before the set foot in the new world?

Yep, that is how racist and xenophobic the Muslims were.

America would look a lot different today, tell you what.

That's a really stupid lie.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What Islamic country is that?

Eritrea Nigeria Republic of the Congo, Burundi, Central African Republic, Mauritania. Do you need more?

 

[MisterBeale]

The Arabs didn't have plantations. They had small populations and very little food. They couldn't afford to own many slaves. I remember meeting some slaves in the 1950s who were working to save a nest egg when they were emancipated in 1963. They were actually freed on the death of ibn Saud in 1953, but they could choose to stay and work for money to prepare for their freedom.

The Veiled Genocide: A forgotten Historic Tragedy - Middle East Resources

 

[surada]

Eritrea Nigeria Republic of the Congo, Burundi, Central African Republic, Mauritania. Do you need more?

Legal or illegal?