Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass

No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.
 
No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt

Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.
 
No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt.

From the 9/11 Commission Report:

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Jarrah’s girlfriend was Turkish born. He was born in Lebanon.

Not sure why any of this really matters; plenty were from Saudi. Afghanistan’s ties to the attacks are clear.
 
Your dogma infusion has poisoned your mind.

9/11 was caused by a failure of US institutions: the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, Airlines.

Perhaps these instituitons need to train against "dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops".
9/11 could be tiny compared to a nuclear holocaust we could suffer if we leave Afghanistan.
Not true....more Neo-con fearmongering

If Pakistan and India both have had nukes all this time and there is no nuclear holocaust -- leaving Afghanistan definitely won't cause it...

Still to this day, the only country who has ever used nukes is....drum roll...

US
 
Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

National origin, or ethnicity does NOT MEAN ALLEGIANCE. Columbus was Italian. He sailed for SPAIN. Get it?
 
We are in Afghanistan today because we don’t want to admit defeat. John McCain was right when he said victory in Afghanistan could take a hundred years. It will take that long at least to create a secular society. As each generation dies out, the children we educate will become more liberal in their ideology. But we aren’t educating the kids, so we haven’t really even started.

As soon as we leave, the Taliban, or whatever they will call themselves, will be back. And back in power. So we can’t leave. We would be admitting defeat and we are too proud to do that. We can’t admit we would have to remake Afghanistan into a secular nation, so we aren’t winning. We are fighting, to not lose. Not to win, the record clearly shows we aren’t doing that. We are fighting because if we stop, we will have lost.

The military can’t afford it, their fancy toys cost money and all sorts of promises have been made concerning the effectiveness of those toys. Sure, the promises sounded a lot like those made in Vietnam, but this time it will work. Politicians can’t afford it. To stand up and say we’ve lost is a guaranteed defeat at the ballot box. Businesses can’t afford it. They are selling tons of material to the Government to help with the war. At a modest profit only.

We haven’t been fighting to win since before Obama took office. We just can’t leave and admit defeat. The enemy knows this. Which is why we are again fighting a war of attrition like Vietnam. If we kill all the radical jihadi types, eventually they’ll run out. Or something.
 
No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

Iraq made zero sense. It was a vanity play by the Bushies. Obama correctly re-focused our attention on Afghanistan. That he stayed there after we got OBL is a mystery to me.
 
The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

Iraq made zero sense. It was a vanity play by the Bushies. Obama correctly re-focused our attention on Afghanistan. That he stayed there after we got OBL is a mystery to me.

Oh for God's sake...Barry is the idiot who withdrew early from Iraq and let ISIS rape and pillage their way across most of the Middle East! He's responsible for untold pain and suffering for hundreds of thousands simply because he wanted to run for reelection as "the President who got us out of Iraq!". What's a mystery to me is how you on the left EVER want to talk about Obama's foreign policy because without exception...every thing he touched turned to shit! His only "accomplishment" was getting Osama bin Laden and that wouldn't have happened if not for the enhanced interrogation done under Bush!
 
We don’t see the Middle East in the same light they see the Middle East. Its a religious war for them. For us, it’s
Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

Iraq made zero sense. It was a vanity play by the Bushies. Obama correctly re-focused our attention on Afghanistan. That he stayed there after we got OBL is a mystery to me.

Oh for God's sake...Barry is the idiot who withdrew early from Iraq and let ISIS rape and pillage their way across most of the Middle East! He's responsible for untold pain and suffering for hundreds of thousands simply because he wanted to run for reelection as "the President who got us out of Iraq!". What's a mystery to me is how you on the left EVER want to talk about Obama's foreign policy because without exception...every thing he touched turned to shit! His only "accomplishment" was getting Osama bin Laden and that wouldn't have happened if not for the enhanced interrogation done under Bush!
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Yeah…Iraq was soooo much better under Bush. :21::21::21::21::21:
 
We are in Afghanistan today because we don’t want to admit defeat. John McCain was right when he said victory in Afghanistan could take a hundred years. It will take that long at least to create a secular society. As each generation dies out, the children we educate will become more liberal in their ideology. But we aren’t educating the kids, so we haven’t really even started.

As soon as we leave, the Taliban, or whatever they will call themselves, will be back. And back in power. So we can’t leave. We would be admitting defeat and we are too proud to do that. We can’t admit we would have to remake Afghanistan into a secular nation, so we aren’t winning. We are fighting, to not lose. Not to win, the record clearly shows we aren’t doing that. We are fighting because if we stop, we will have lost.

The military can’t afford it, their fancy toys cost money and all sorts of promises have been made concerning the effectiveness of those toys. Sure, the promises sounded a lot like those made in Vietnam, but this time it will work. Politicians can’t afford it. To stand up and say we’ve lost is a guaranteed defeat at the ballot box. Businesses can’t afford it. They are selling tons of material to the Government to help with the war. At a modest profit only.

We haven’t been fighting to win since before Obama took office. We just can’t leave and admit defeat. The enemy knows this. Which is why we are again fighting a war of attrition like Vietnam. If we kill all the radical jihadi types, eventually they’ll run out. Or something.
Pride has nothing to do with it. We are there, and can't leave. Keywords are Pakistan & nuclear. Post # 94 explained it.
 
We don’t see the Middle East in the same light they see the Middle East. Its a religious war for them. For us, it’s
Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

Iraq made zero sense. It was a vanity play by the Bushies. Obama correctly re-focused our attention on Afghanistan. That he stayed there after we got OBL is a mystery to me.

Oh for God's sake...Barry is the idiot who withdrew early from Iraq and let ISIS rape and pillage their way across most of the Middle East! He's responsible for untold pain and suffering for hundreds of thousands simply because he wanted to run for reelection as "the President who got us out of Iraq!". What's a mystery to me is how you on the left EVER want to talk about Obama's foreign policy because without exception...every thing he touched turned to shit! His only "accomplishment" was getting Osama bin Laden and that wouldn't have happened if not for the enhanced interrogation done under Bush!
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Yeah…Iraq was soooo much better under Bush. :21::21::21::21::21:

What's amusing, Candy is that you don't seem to remember that it WAS so much better under Bush!
 
Not true....more Neo-con fearmongering

If Pakistan and India both have had nukes all this time and there is no nuclear holocaust -- leaving Afghanistan definitely won't cause it...

Still to this day, the only country who has ever used nukes is....drum roll...

US
If it had been "fearmongering". The whole US military and national security(Democrats & Republicans) would have been fearmongering for over 20 years. That's how long they have had contingency plans to go into Pakistan and seize their nuke warheads, and the Paks have had plans to offset us.

This is not opinion. It's history. Reported in Post # 94.
 
Not true....more Neo-con fearmongering

If Pakistan and India both have had nukes all this time and there is no nuclear holocaust -- leaving Afghanistan definitely won't cause it...

Still to this day, the only country who has ever used nukes is....drum roll...

US
If it had been "fearmongering". The whole US military and national security(Democrats & Republicans) would have been fearmongering for over 20 years. That's how long they have had contingency plans to go into Pakistan and seize their nuke warheads, and the Paks have had plans to offset us.

This is not opinion. It's history. Reported in Post # 94.
the military industrial complex is bipartisan -- and yes, its fear-mongering
 
The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

Thanks for posting the Russian viewpoint. What I'm not sure of is whether you are a Russianbot or a mindless dupe. Care to share some insight?
 
We are in Afghanistan today because we don’t want to admit defeat. John McCain was right when he said victory in Afghanistan could take a hundred years. It will take that long at least to create a secular society. As each generation dies out, the children we educate will become more liberal in their ideology. But we aren’t educating the kids, so we haven’t really even started.

As soon as we leave, the Taliban, or whatever they will call themselves, will be back. And back in power. So we can’t leave. We would be admitting defeat and we are too proud to do that. We can’t admit we would have to remake Afghanistan into a secular nation, so we aren’t winning. We are fighting, to not lose. Not to win, the record clearly shows we aren’t doing that. We are fighting because if we stop, we will have lost.

The military can’t afford it, their fancy toys cost money and all sorts of promises have been made concerning the effectiveness of those toys. Sure, the promises sounded a lot like those made in Vietnam, but this time it will work. Politicians can’t afford it. To stand up and say we’ve lost is a guaranteed defeat at the ballot box. Businesses can’t afford it. They are selling tons of material to the Government to help with the war. At a modest profit only.

We haven’t been fighting to win since before Obama took office. We just can’t leave and admit defeat. The enemy knows this. Which is why we are again fighting a war of attrition like Vietnam. If we kill all the radical jihadi types, eventually they’ll run out. Or something.
Pride has nothing to do with it. We are there, and can't leave. Keywords are Pakistan & nuclear. Post # 94 explained it.

I’ve heard that argument before, and it’s nonsense. We had a plan to remove the nukes in place before we were ever in Afghanistan. We had that plan long before 9-11.

Those plans revolved around Delta, or SEAL’s, or if required, even Marine Recon, or Army Rangers. Yeah, the Rangers practiced that sort of raid although they were told they were picking up “sensitive items” but not what they were.

I don’t know if the SEAL’s or Delta practiced, nor do I have any information about the Marine Recon, but I know that the 160th Special Aviation Regiment practiced such thing with the Rangers.

So are you saying that none of those plans could possibly work if we are out of Afghanistan? Are those helicopters that are airborne refueling capable only able to refuel once? Are the Rangers and SEALs off the table if they can’t deploy from Afghanistan?

It was the fact that the US listed that as an option, that caused Pakistan to start playing pea in a cup with their nukes. Pakistan is really worried that we will do it since we’re right next door. Instead of having their warheads in a few discrete areas, they have them being moved around in unmarked vans on busy roads. Because that way they blend in, and the Americans can’t rush in to a busy road to take them. Too messy, too much collateral damage, even if they can identify which unmarked van is the one with the nuke in it.

Even if the US decided to go in, chances are most if not all the forces would launch from carriers. They would be afraid that the insurgents, who control a lot of Afghanistan, would report a flock of helicopters headed towards Pakistan. Chances are India would not only give us permission to fly through their airspace, but offer assistance of their own troops to get that gun off of their own heads.

So keep playing that broken record man. Because as of now, we don’t know where all the nukes are, and even if we wanted to go in and get them, we couldn’t because some are in motion in unmarked vans just driving around where we can’t get to them without killing a lot of civilians, something our military would be loath to even consider.

On the other hand, if we were out of Afghanistan, they just might put most of them back into those discrete locations again, thus giving us a chance to actually recover them if that eventually ever did raise it’s ugly head.
 
We don’t see the Middle East in the same light they see the Middle East. Its a religious war for them. For us, it’s
One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

Iraq made zero sense. It was a vanity play by the Bushies. Obama correctly re-focused our attention on Afghanistan. That he stayed there after we got OBL is a mystery to me.

Oh for God's sake...Barry is the idiot who withdrew early from Iraq and let ISIS rape and pillage their way across most of the Middle East! He's responsible for untold pain and suffering for hundreds of thousands simply because he wanted to run for reelection as "the President who got us out of Iraq!". What's a mystery to me is how you on the left EVER want to talk about Obama's foreign policy because without exception...every thing he touched turned to shit! His only "accomplishment" was getting Osama bin Laden and that wouldn't have happened if not for the enhanced interrogation done under Bush!
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Yeah…Iraq was soooo much better under Bush. :21::21::21::21::21:

What's amusing, Candy is that you don't seem to remember that it WAS so much better under Bush!

Because it wasn’t.
 
The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

When was Afghanistan NOT collapsing? Oh that's right NEVER. So America has been in the Afghan Quagmire now for 18 years and has ZERO to show for this except body bags with American soldiers in, Afghanistan is still the same Shit Hole full of Islamic Terrorists and Opium Poppy Growers that it was 18 years ago, what a colossal waste of American tax moneys and American soldiers lives for ZERO.

What else? Oh yes that's right Fuck The Neo-Conservatives, spawn of Satan himself.
 

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