Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass

[Denizen]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

No reason to attack a nation supported the murder of thousand of our civilians?

YOur vileness knows no limits, TRAITOR.

Your dogma infusion has poisoned your mind.

9/11 was caused by a failure of US institutions: the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, Airlines.

Perhaps these instituitons need to train against "dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops".

Funny how lefties get so confused about responsibility.

Bin Laden led the mass murder of Americans, and the government of Afghanistan of the time, refused to give him to US.

And you dismissed the deaths of thousands of Americans.

You are a vile traitor.

If you were anything but an indolent, lip-service patriot you would be going after George W Bush for not permitting an intensive and extensive bi-partisan inquiry into 9/11, and you would be going after all the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, and Airlines officials whose negligence allowed it to happen.

The Afghanistan government didn't have Bin Laden and could not give him to the USA. Nor, is it the practice of any government to "hand over" people without due process.

The government of Saudi Arabia was assisting and funding the terrorists ahead of the 9/11 incident.

Every USA administration official who failed to keep America safe was promoted after 9/11. Not one of the negligent officials was prosecuted.

George W Bush allowed planeloads of Saudis and others who might have been implicated to escape. This included Saudi Ambassador Turki Al Faisal who would have at least have had knowledge which should have been extracted. Nobody denies that the Saudis were assisting the 9/11 terrorists.

Donald Trump has also failed. He promised to expose hidden information on 9/11 but lied again and tainted himself with 9/11 culpability.

Category: | Herald Sun

... Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information. ...

1. YOur pathological need to blame America for all the evil in the world is noted, traitor.

2. YOur excuses for the actions of our enemies are noted, traitor.

1. The USA created Osama Bin Laden to commit acts of terrorism against Russians in Afghanistan. He was a CIA employee.

2. When you bomb and shoot people, they bomb and shoot you back.

 

[Denizen]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

Written by a surender monkey french dude...

Go figure.

Is military defeat more acceptable to you than surrender?

Military defeat?

We ran out of places to bomb in Afghanistan after the first day, this is just a police action..


.

Police don't need and don't use MOABs and death drones.

 

[Denizen]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

Thanks for posting the Russian viewpoint. What I'm not sure of is whether you are a Russianbot or a mindless dupe. Care to share some insight?

The Trump administration publishes the 'Russian viewpoint' using Russianbots Donald Trump and his ilk and mindless dupes, the Trumplings.

Please don't thank me.

 

[Denizen]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

When was Afghanistan NOT collapsing? Oh that's right NEVER. So America has been in the Afghan Quagmire now for 18 years and has ZERO to show for this except body bags with American soldiers in, Afghanistan is still the same Shit Hole full of Islamic Terrorists and Opium Poppy Growers that it was 18 years ago, what a colossal waste of American tax moneys and American soldiers lives for ZERO.

What else? Oh yes that's right Fuck The Neo-Conservatives, spawn of Satan himself.

The Pentagon is getting it's ass kicked by bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

"The Great Game," As Played by a Former Prep-School Cheerleader

The HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader should have bypassed the Taliban, nuked Tora Bora, and hunted the Al Qaida survivors down, ignoring the restrictions against crossing national borders. But the nostalgic Neo-Condi Cold Warriors wanted to occupy the country as an outpost against Russia and China.

As for Pakistan, we've always had the technology to destroy their nuclear installations, should have but didn't because our ruling class needs a continuing threat in order to pose as our protectors.

 

[Oldstyle]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

"The Great Game," As Played by a Former Prep-School Cheerleader

The HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader should have bypassed the Taliban, nuked Tora Bora, and hunted the Al Qaida survivors down, ignoring the restrictions against crossing national borders. But the nostalgic Neo-Condi Cold Warriors wanted to occupy the country as an outpost against Russia and China.

As for Pakistan, we've always had the technology to destroy their nuclear installations, should have but didn't because our ruling class needs a continuing threat in order to pose as our protectors.

LOL...I don't have the faintest idea what you're babbling about here, Sage!

 

[hunarcy]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

Thanks for posting the Russian viewpoint. What I'm not sure of is whether you are a Russianbot or a mindless dupe. Care to share some insight?

The Trump administration publishes the 'Russian viewpoint' using Russianbots Donald Trump and his ilk and mindless dupes, the Trumplings.

Please don't thank me.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! The opiates are strong with this one.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Contrary to what you believe, nukes are a little more complicated than pushing a button to start a countdown timer. Also, you source that claim that the Pakis carried their nukes around in delivery vans, that is just laughable! Do you have any idea how heavy those things are?

What is laughable is you (with no knowledge) disputing what has been known for by the US intelligence community for years. You look worse and worse with every post.

I used to be part of that intelligence community dumbass!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't know shit from Shinola on this topic anymore than Alexandria Occasional-Cortex can tell you how many branches of government there are.

You really need to get some new reading material. That shit will rot your brain.

I'm discerning that you are painfully ignorant of what's going on, and rather than read the links and get yourself informed, you pretend that you know something here, and hope others will go along. Not smart.

Now go back and read the links, so you can find out what's going on. The more you post without the basic knowledge, the dumber you'll be seen.

I read the links, dumbass! They are horseshit! Catch a flipping clue!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, the Indians would LOVE that!

Idiot!

I don't know what your problem is . Are you just too LAZY too read and learn ?

One of those guys who dropped out of school in the 6th grade ? ​

Too egotistical to admit that you came in here clueless ? Is that it ? Sheesh.

The links aren't too long. You could finish them in 15 minutes. Better than
making a fool out of yourself here.​

I have 21 years of education, including a degree in history, and extensive studies of modern Middle Eastern politics. How about you?

I served in the military for 12 years, including as a nuclear weapons officer. I qualified in two warfare specialties. People like me are about as common as unicorns. You probably have never seen a nuke, but I once slept in the same compartment with a couple of hundred of them!

Your sources are trash, don't you understand that? It's like quoting CNN! Chances are that the truth is 180 degrees out fro what they claim.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

The only problem with that is that all 19 hijackers were Saudis. None were from Afghanistan. So why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?

Go put your Saudi conspiracy theories back under your bed. We have heard them all and it just proves that you are clueless.

Conspiracy theory?

September 11 Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN

All are from Saudi Arabia or the UAE. One was from Lebanon. None were from Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of the pilots was from Turkey. Another few were from Egypt. Most were from Saudi. Not sure why it matters.

Zero were from Iraq or Afghanistan though all of the “muscle” hijackers trained in Afghanistan, the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, and of course OBL and KSM were based in Afghanistan.

According to that website I posted nobody was from Turkey or Egypt other than Atta, who was from Egypt.

Hijackers by Nationality:
Egypt
Mohamed Atta

Lebanon
Ziad Jarrah

Saudi Arabia
Ahmed al Ghamdi
Hamza al Ghamdi
Saeed al Ghamdi
Hani Hanjour
Nawaf al Hazmi
Salem al Hazmi
Ahmad al Haznawi
Ahmed al Nami
Khalid al Mihdhar
Majed Moqed
Abdul Aziz al Omari
Mohand al Shehri
Wail al Shehri
Waleed al Shehri
Satam al Suqami

United Arab Emirates
Fayez Banihammad
Marwan al Shehhi

So we attack Iraq, that makes sense.

When did we attack Iraq? Wasn't it about 18 months after we attacked Afghanistan?

Why are you lying like a lib?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not true....more Neo-con fearmongering

If Pakistan and India both have had nukes all this time and there is no nuclear holocaust -- leaving Afghanistan definitely won't cause it...

Still to this day, the only country who has ever used nukes is....drum roll...

US

If it had been "fearmongering". The whole US military and national security(Democrats & Republicans) would have been fearmongering for over 20 years. That's how long they have had contingency plans to go into Pakistan and seize their nuke warheads, and the Paks have had plans to offset us.

This is not opinion. It's history. Reported in Post # 94.

In other news, water is wet.

 

[candycorn]

Tory's streak of making zero contribution continues.

 

[Correll]

No reason to attack a nation supported the murder of thousand of our civilians?

YOur vileness knows no limits, TRAITOR.

Your dogma infusion has poisoned your mind.

9/11 was caused by a failure of US institutions: the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, Airlines.

Perhaps these instituitons need to train against "dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops".

Funny how lefties get so confused about responsibility.

Bin Laden led the mass murder of Americans, and the government of Afghanistan of the time, refused to give him to US.

And you dismissed the deaths of thousands of Americans.

You are a vile traitor.

If you were anything but an indolent, lip-service patriot you would be going after George W Bush for not permitting an intensive and extensive bi-partisan inquiry into 9/11, and you would be going after all the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, and Airlines officials whose negligence allowed it to happen.

The Afghanistan government didn't have Bin Laden and could not give him to the USA. Nor, is it the practice of any government to "hand over" people without due process.

The government of Saudi Arabia was assisting and funding the terrorists ahead of the 9/11 incident.

Every USA administration official who failed to keep America safe was promoted after 9/11. Not one of the negligent officials was prosecuted.

George W Bush allowed planeloads of Saudis and others who might have been implicated to escape. This included Saudi Ambassador Turki Al Faisal who would have at least have had knowledge which should have been extracted. Nobody denies that the Saudis were assisting the 9/11 terrorists.

Donald Trump has also failed. He promised to expose hidden information on 9/11 but lied again and tainted himself with 9/11 culpability.

Category: | Herald Sun

... Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information. ...

1. YOur pathological need to blame America for all the evil in the world is noted, traitor.

2. YOur excuses for the actions of our enemies are noted, traitor.

1. The USA created Osama Bin Laden to commit acts of terrorism against Russians in Afghanistan. He was a CIA employee.

2. When you bomb and shoot people, they bomb and shoot you back.

1. No, we did not. ON so many levels we did not.

2. We saved the Afghanistan people from genocide by the RUssians. Their behavior is protecting Bin Liden was unforgivable.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The USA should never have got itself bogged in Afghanistan. There was no reason to attack or invade.

The USA is repeating the mistakes of the past in Afghanistan and it is possible that a major military defeat could cause the USA to cut and run leaving behind a horrific mess.

The First Coward Donald Trump is too afraid to visit either Iraq or Afghanistan.

"A bunch of dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops is kicking Uncle Sam's ass ... various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops."

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!

Afghanistan is Collapsing. Get Out: Now!
by BRIAN CLOUGHLEY

November has been quite a month, so far, in Afghanistan. The level of violence has been appalling and the most serious recent atrocity was yet another suicide bombing in Kabul. It killed over fifty people and injured twice that many but didn’t merit a Trump tweet, which isn’t surprising because he doesn’t seem to be interested in the place. Further, as reported by the Washington Post on November 19, he hasn’t visited a single country in which his troops are fighting.

The reason he hasn’t visited his troops in such areas is because he is a coward. He is a physical yellow-belly who lacks the courage to go anywhere near a war zone. He is below contempt, but he could gain a little bit of respect if he ordered the US and NATO to get out of Afghanistan.

Early in November the New York Times summed up the shambles in Afghanistan by stating
In the past week, the Times confirmed that 118 members of the security forces were killed, a significant increase over the previous week, but, unusually, there were no confirmed deaths of civilians. Fighting spread to nine provinces, but the emphasis shifted to the south as cold weather intensified in the north. An entire battalion of Afghan border soldiers was wiped out in western Farah Province, and the Taliban tried — unsuccessfully so far — to take over Jaghori District in Ghazni, an anti-insurgent stronghold.

On November 3 yet another US soldier was killed by a member of Afghanistan’s military forces. Major Brent Taylor of the Utah National Guard was instructing Afghan soldiers when one of them shot him dead. He left a wife and seven young children. On the same day, as reported by the New York Times, twenty Afghan soldiers were reported missing after a Taliban attack in Uruzgan Province, and on November 5, six policemen and seven soldiers were killed in Ghazni, two Afghan Humvees were blown up, 17 policemen were killed in Kandahar Province and seven soldiers in Herat.

Seven soldiers were killed on November 7, two of them in Nangarhar Province in an airstrike by United States aircraft while NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg was visiting foreign troops in Herat. The following day seventeen soldiers were killed along with eight policemen.

After the NYT’s report that no civilians had been killed in the first week, the situation changed dramatically and the Taliban killed 15 civilians and 10 members of the special forces in Ghazni on November 11, then “In the western province of Farah, at least 37 members of the Afghan security forces were killed in overnight attacks by Taliban fighters on checkpoints that triggered hours of fighting, local officials said on November 12.” That was the day that a loonie of Islamic State killed at least six civilians and wounded 20 others in a suicide bombing in Kabul.

Stoltenberg told foreign soldiers in Herat they “have to remember that you are in Afghanistan because NATO is in Afghanistan to make sure that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for international terrorism. So this is about helping the Afghans but also about helping ourselves. It is in our security interest to make sure that Afghanistan not once again becomes a platform, a territory, a country where terrorist organizations can prepare, plan attacks against our own countries.”

This is fallacious nonsense, but he’s got to say it because there is no real reason for the NATO presence in Afghanistan. In the words of the World War One dirge sung by British soldiers in France, “We’re here, because we’re here, because we’re here . . .”

They got there because the United States was hell-bent on war. And this war has had a most significant and disastrous spin-off that the drum-thumpers didn’t think about. It has shown the world that there has been yet another war which the US couldn’t and can’t win.

The foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan — almost 3,500 of them, including 1,892 American combatants — have died for nothing. The entire war has been a disgraceful catastrophe, and as I recorded in Counterpunch in 2012, the US-NATO fiasco was well described by US Colonel David Davis:
The United States, along with over 40 NATO and other allied nations, possesses the most sophisticated, powerful, and technologically advanced military force that has ever hit the field of combat. We have the finest and most well trained soldiers that exist anywhere; we have armored vehicles of every type, to include MIA2 Main Battle Tanks; artillery, mortars, advanced rockets, precision guided missiles, and hand-held rocket launchers; we have a wholly uncontested air force composed of NATO’s most advanced ground attack fighter jets, bombers, AWACS controllers, spy planes, signals-interception aircraft, B 1 bombers, attack helicopters, and massive transport jets to ferry our troops and critical supplies where they are needed; we have thousands of unmanned aerial drones both for intelligence collection and missile-launching; we have a helicopter fleet for personnel transport and attack support; we have an enormous constellation of spy satellites; logistics that are as limitless as the combined weight of the industrial world; we have every technological device known to the profession of arms; we are able to intercept virtually every form of insurgent communication to include cell phones, walkie-talkies, satellite phones, email, and even some ability to eavesdrop on otherwise private conversations; a remarkably capable cohort of intelligence analysts that are as educated, well trained and equipped to a degree that used to exist only in science fiction; and our various nations have the economic wherewithal to spend $10s of billions each month to fund it all. And for almost 10 years we have pitted this unbelievable and unprecedented capability against: A bunch of dudes in bed sheets and flip-flops.

Remember the idiot General Petraeus? In 2010 he declared “We must demonstrate to the people and to the Taliban that Afghan and International Security Assistance Forces are here to safeguard the Afghan people and that we are in this to win. That is our clear objective.”

But they lost. And there’s no point in reinforcing failure. US-NATO forces failed to follow almost every Principle of War, and they paid the price.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Now.

No reason to attack Afghanistan? Really? You mean no reason other than it was run by the Taliban who was hosting the scum bag who just masterminded flying commercial jets full of innocent people into the Twin Towers...also full of innocent people? Why don't you go f**k yourself, dude! If that wasn't a reason to invade another country then there IS no reason!

"The Great Game," As Played by a Former Prep-School Cheerleader

The HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader should have bypassed the Taliban, nuked Tora Bora, and hunted the Al Qaida survivors down, ignoring the restrictions against crossing national borders. But the nostalgic Neo-Condi Cold Warriors wanted to occupy the country as an outpost against Russia and China.

As for Pakistan, we've always had the technology to destroy their nuclear installations, should have but didn't because our ruling class needs a continuing threat in order to pose as our protectors.

LOL...I don't have the faintest idea about here, Sage!

You Mean That If You Ever Had an Idea, You'd Faint?

You conformist mind-slaves will continue to be stuck on stupid as long as you believe either "side" of those who are paid to mislead you with their superficial and ignorant interpretation of what is going on. The commentariat tells us that it is unnecessary to connect events to what has happened before our lifetime. In obedience to America's proven structural failure, you still believe that anyone who reaches a position of influence must have achieved that by being superior to others vying for the same position.

In these terminal times, anyone who is paid to broadcast, write, lecture, or film is of the same ilk as those who are paid to have sex.

 

[Claudette]

Denizen has Russian troll written all over him. Just joined. Spends all of his time trying to start fights.

Yup and he's pretty much an idiot as well.

 

[Denizen]

Your dogma infusion has poisoned your mind.

9/11 was caused by a failure of US institutions: the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, Airlines.

Perhaps these instituitons need to train against "dudes in bedsheets and flip-flops".

Funny how lefties get so confused about responsibility.

Bin Laden led the mass murder of Americans, and the government of Afghanistan of the time, refused to give him to US.

And you dismissed the deaths of thousands of Americans.

You are a vile traitor.

If you were anything but an indolent, lip-service patriot you would be going after George W Bush for not permitting an intensive and extensive bi-partisan inquiry into 9/11, and you would be going after all the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, and Airlines officials whose negligence allowed it to happen.

The Afghanistan government didn't have Bin Laden and could not give him to the USA. Nor, is it the practice of any government to "hand over" people without due process.

The government of Saudi Arabia was assisting and funding the terrorists ahead of the 9/11 incident.

Every USA administration official who failed to keep America safe was promoted after 9/11. Not one of the negligent officials was prosecuted.

George W Bush allowed planeloads of Saudis and others who might have been implicated to escape. This included Saudi Ambassador Turki Al Faisal who would have at least have had knowledge which should have been extracted. Nobody denies that the Saudis were assisting the 9/11 terrorists.

Donald Trump has also failed. He promised to expose hidden information on 9/11 but lied again and tainted himself with 9/11 culpability.

Category: | Herald Sun

... Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information. ...

1. YOur pathological need to blame America for all the evil in the world is noted, traitor.

2. YOur excuses for the actions of our enemies are noted, traitor.

1. The USA created Osama Bin Laden to commit acts of terrorism against Russians in Afghanistan. He was a CIA employee.

2. When you bomb and shoot people, they bomb and shoot you back.

1. No, we did not. ON so many levels we did not.

2. We saved the Afghanistan people from genocide by the RUssians. Their behavior is protecting Bin Liden was unforgivable.

Saving Afghans from Russian genocide with US genocide?

 

[Mac1958]

Trying to nation-build with Afghanistan.

Doesn't get much dumber than that.

 

[Correll]

Funny how lefties get so confused about responsibility.

Bin Laden led the mass murder of Americans, and the government of Afghanistan of the time, refused to give him to US.

And you dismissed the deaths of thousands of Americans.

You are a vile traitor.

If you were anything but an indolent, lip-service patriot you would be going after George W Bush for not permitting an intensive and extensive bi-partisan inquiry into 9/11, and you would be going after all the FBI, CIA, NSA, GOP, Pentagon, Airforce, NORAD, and Airlines officials whose negligence allowed it to happen.

The Afghanistan government didn't have Bin Laden and could not give him to the USA. Nor, is it the practice of any government to "hand over" people without due process.

The government of Saudi Arabia was assisting and funding the terrorists ahead of the 9/11 incident.

Every USA administration official who failed to keep America safe was promoted after 9/11. Not one of the negligent officials was prosecuted.

George W Bush allowed planeloads of Saudis and others who might have been implicated to escape. This included Saudi Ambassador Turki Al Faisal who would have at least have had knowledge which should have been extracted. Nobody denies that the Saudis were assisting the 9/11 terrorists.

Donald Trump has also failed. He promised to expose hidden information on 9/11 but lied again and tainted himself with 9/11 culpability.

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... Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information. ...

1. YOur pathological need to blame America for all the evil in the world is noted, traitor.

2. YOur excuses for the actions of our enemies are noted, traitor.

1. The USA created Osama Bin Laden to commit acts of terrorism against Russians in Afghanistan. He was a CIA employee.

2. When you bomb and shoot people, they bomb and shoot you back.

1. No, we did not. ON so many levels we did not.

2. We saved the Afghanistan people from genocide by the RUssians. Their behavior is protecting Bin Liden was unforgivable.

Saving Afghans from Russian genocide with US genocide?

What US genocide? And you might want to read up on what the Russians did before you respond.

 

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Trying to nation-build with Afghanistan.

Doesn't get much dumber than that.

Should have stuck a King in Kabul, given him the guns and money to hold the city and told him to make nice with the regional war lords (bombing the shit out of any real problems).

And declared victory and went home.