How absurd. No they aren't. The social contract is that we make laws to deter crime and because we want to live a secure life. A secure, earthly life. No faith is required for any of this, and all of the evidence supports its continuation.
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Fort Fun Indiana
1. We who agree to these things are still doing things based on faith.
Just because we agree on the same things does not make them any less faith based.
2. Where the faith based beliefs and biases get revealed is when we find CONFLICTS in our beliefs and conditions on justice, freedom, peace and security.
(When we AGREE on common principles or laws, we take this for granted the "truths are self evident or common knowlege/sense". When we disagree, we blame the dissidents against our views for having opposing beliefs they should NOT be imposing on us through govt. So this is where the differences in "faith based beliefs" reveal themselves.)
3. Examples of faith based beliefs behind laws, justice, govt and deterrence/security:
A1. Liberals who believe the role of Govt is to provide for the public welfare by taxing and spending, using majority or judicial rule to establish the Collective will of the people by centralized authority. These people believe equal justice, security and protections of the people depend on central govt to establish, including health care, jobs, education and other social support. This political belief is called STATISM and ranges from democratic socialism to communism.
A2. On the other extreme are Conservatives who believe that authority of Justice and Laws come from Nature (or Nature's God) through a higher Justice (Christians believe this authority is vested in Jesus), not from manmade govt, where laws reflect the consent of the people and govt does NOT DICTATE the laws.
Liberty and freedom of individuals is the purpose of "Constitutional laws that LIMIT govt" NOT laws "made by govt to manage people".
This political belief is called Libertarianism and includes Constitutionalists and Christian Anarchists and others who "reject Socialism, Statism, Communism" etc on the other extreme.
B1 and B2. Within beliefs about Justice, people split into beliefs about Retributive Justice and Restorative Justice.
Fort Fun Indiana: Which way of Justice is the right way to DETER crime, violence, abortion, murder, terrorist or mass shooting attacks? Is it the death penalty or Christian Spiritual Healing and Rehab to end addictive and criminal disorders? Is it banning, regulating or decriminalizing abortion, guns, drugs, illegal immigration, etc?
Christians who believe mental illness can be cured have a different answer to "what secures equal justice and protection" vs people with NO such faith who believe in banning weapons as the way to establish security. Both sides argue to defend and prove their faith based beliefs until agreement is reached.
C1 and C2. Beliefs about marriage through govt, LGBT, transgender identity, and whether govt should be involved in establishing a class for internal beliefs about sexuality and gender, and which side govt should enforce:
Should govt recognize and protect people of LGBT identity due to social discrimination? Or treat them the same as persecuted and bullied Christians, Muslims, Atheists and Anarchists who by their beliefs identity and differences get attacked and oppressed by others who disagree with their beliefs?
Should govt fine, regulate or punish people for having different beliefs that reject LGBT? If so, are people opposed to Christian, Constitutional or Anarchist beliefs subject to govt fines and penalties for harassing or discriminating against those classes of people for their minority beliefs?
What policy will establish justice and security and deter violations?
Where we do not agree most visibly reveals our faith based differences and biases in beliefs.
A. Our beliefs about the role of govt from Liberal Statism to Constitutional Libertarianism
B. Our approaches to deterrence and correction from Restorative to Retributive Justice and where to use which approach
C. Our values and beliefs internally and whether or how to use Govt to either defend or establish them
Fort Fun Indiana
I have Christian Anarchist friends who do not believe in using military or law enforcement to enforce Borders, mask or vaccine or any govt mandates, or use any force or coercion at all.
I have friends who believe Biden as President should push to solve problems in South America blamed on US policy for causing the immigration and drug traffic crisis, and Congress should tax billionaires to wipe out poverty worldwide.
These are both beliefs about Justice.
Social Justice believers have faith in using Govt to regulate economic and political disparities.
Equal Justice Conservatives believe people use our own liberty and free will to fix our social and economic problems ourselves not rely on govt which is artificial manipulation and not sustainable.
Christians who believe the only authority of law or justice they can follow comes from Jesus reject BOTH liberal AND conservative as manmade govt that is all false and corrupted.
We all believe in a higher standard of justice for security, but clearly we believe in different ways of establishing this.
Which is why we have not yet achieved justice for all, we keep fighting in groups thinking the other ways are the problem in the way, when in fact all three groups think their way will prevail after "getting rid of the other opponents".
