Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

[GreatestIam]

God USES satan to fulfill His purpose. Why do you not understand this

So god uses and does evil through Satan.

Yet you forgive the don who orders the hit.

Take you demonstrable double moral standard and thank Satan for it.

Hypocrites with double moral standards like you are common. Those like you are her stock and trade.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

God's justice

Those with an imaginary supernatural garbage god, should know not to seek justice from him.

Supernatural belief is for the stupid.

Regards
DL

 

[emilynghiem]

I do.

A genocidal homophobe who hates women.

Why do you like that vile and immoral prick?

Especially after giving Satan extra powers to deceive you?

Sounds like you have Stockholm Syndrome.

Regards
DL

1. Forgiveness is not the same as enabling or supporting evil
2. If you do not understand #1 this explains why you see God as a "genocidal homophobe"
3. GreatestIam let's agree on point #1. Then we can talk about how we see God #2. And after that we can discuss #3 that you think I support Satan and Antichrist instead of God and Jesus representing overcoming these Negative influences and consequences you see God as.

One step at a time.

Do you agree that forgiving all things and letting go of past perceptions frees the mind to receive enlightenment?

 

[emilynghiem]

Those with an imaginary supernatural garbage god, should know not to seek justice from him.

Supernatural belief is for the stupid.

Regards
DL

Dear GreatestIam

All views and beliefs about Justice are faith based.

A. What is YOUR vision of truth and justice and
B. what do you use as the best process to get there?

You seem bent on Retributive Justice which judges and rejects others.

I believe Restorative Justice is the message of Jesus as Messiah for All.

B. Why do you believe saying negative things about people and God does anything to correct them?

A. What do you see as the correct state of humanity?

B. How do you propose we get there?

By saying negative attacks on others?

Is this love?

Or are you acting and speaking with malice while blaming negativity on God.

B. What method or spirit do you believe compels correction to get on the right path of universal truth?

 

[emilynghiem]

So god uses and does evil through Satan.

Yet you forgive the don who orders the hit.

Take you demonstrable double moral standard and thank Satan for it.

Hypocrites with double moral standards like you are common. Those like you are her stock and trade.

Regards
DL

You still frame this to fit your agenda and narrative, so the conflict is coming from you DL GreatestIam

God created perfect laws where sickness results from unhealthy behavior.

When we step on a nail, we feel pain in our nerves so we tend to the wound so it doesn't get infected. This is nature. God made our bodies to self heal naturally. But the nail is unnatural and requires additional treatment.

Wounds in our mind soul and spirit are similar.

Instead of invisible "bacterial germs" that cause physical infections, "demonic" negative energies or entities can infest broken hearts minds and internal wounds and cause abusive addictive disorders.

This is not God trying to punish us with evil.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

So god uses and does evil through Satan.

Yet you forgive the don who orders the hit

Satan logic. The dark side is strong in you

 

[GreatestIam]

explains why you see God as a "genocidal homophobe"

Explain how you cannot, given the biblical facts of his genocidal fascist ways and his homophobic and misogynous religions, --- and their inquisitions and jihads.

If you cannot see that Yahweh belongs in hell, not that either fictions exists, then we will not be discussing your other interesting topics.

Regards
DL

 

[Stann]

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.
Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

Regards
DL

You are talking about a tribal religion, women needed to be subordinate to men, what better way to do that than to weave a story in which they are the bad guy from the very start.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

All views and beliefs about Justice are faith based.

How absurd. No they aren't. The social contract is that we make laws to deter crime and because we want to live a secure life. A secure, earthly life. No faith is required for any of this, and all of the evidence supports its continuation.

 

[themirrorthief]

So god uses and does evil through Satan.

Yet you forgive the don who orders the hit.

Take you demonstrable double moral standard and thank Satan for it.

Hypocrites with double moral standards like you are common. Those like you are her stock and trade.

Regards
DL

why does god send people to hell when they die a spirit cannot feel pain

 

[emilynghiem]

How absurd. No they aren't. The social contract is that we make laws to deter crime and because we want to live a secure life. A secure, earthly life. No faith is required for any of this, and all of the evidence supports its continuation.

Dear Fort Fun Indiana
1. We who agree to these things are still doing things based on faith.
Just because we agree on the same things does not make them any less faith based.
2. Where the faith based beliefs and biases get revealed is when we find CONFLICTS in our beliefs and conditions on justice, freedom, peace and security.
(When we AGREE on common principles or laws, we take this for granted the "truths are self evident or common knowlege/sense". When we disagree, we blame the dissidents against our views for having opposing beliefs they should NOT be imposing on us through govt. So this is where the differences in "faith based beliefs" reveal themselves.)
3. Examples of faith based beliefs behind laws, justice, govt and deterrence/security:
A1. Liberals who believe the role of Govt is to provide for the public welfare by taxing and spending, using majority or judicial rule to establish the Collective will of the people by centralized authority. These people believe equal justice, security and protections of the people depend on central govt to establish, including health care, jobs, education and other social support. This political belief is called STATISM and ranges from democratic socialism to communism.
A2. On the other extreme are Conservatives who believe that authority of Justice and Laws come from Nature (or Nature's God) through a higher Justice (Christians believe this authority is vested in Jesus), not from manmade govt, where laws reflect the consent of the people and govt does NOT DICTATE the laws.
Liberty and freedom of individuals is the purpose of "Constitutional laws that LIMIT govt" NOT laws "made by govt to manage people".
This political belief is called Libertarianism and includes Constitutionalists and Christian Anarchists and others who "reject Socialism, Statism, Communism" etc on the other extreme.

B1 and B2. Within beliefs about Justice, people split into beliefs about Retributive Justice and Restorative Justice.
Fort Fun Indiana: Which way of Justice is the right way to DETER crime, violence, abortion, murder, terrorist or mass shooting attacks? Is it the death penalty or Christian Spiritual Healing and Rehab to end addictive and criminal disorders? Is it banning, regulating or decriminalizing abortion, guns, drugs, illegal immigration, etc?
Christians who believe mental illness can be cured have a different answer to "what secures equal justice and protection" vs people with NO such faith who believe in banning weapons as the way to establish security. Both sides argue to defend and prove their faith based beliefs until agreement is reached.

C1 and C2. Beliefs about marriage through govt, LGBT, transgender identity, and whether govt should be involved in establishing a class for internal beliefs about sexuality and gender, and which side govt should enforce:
Should govt recognize and protect people of LGBT identity due to social discrimination? Or treat them the same as persecuted and bullied Christians, Muslims, Atheists and Anarchists who by their beliefs identity and differences get attacked and oppressed by others who disagree with their beliefs?
Should govt fine, regulate or punish people for having different beliefs that reject LGBT? If so, are people opposed to Christian, Constitutional or Anarchist beliefs subject to govt fines and penalties for harassing or discriminating against those classes of people for their minority beliefs?

What policy will establish justice and security and deter violations?

Where we do not agree most visibly reveals our faith based differences and biases in beliefs.

A. Our beliefs about the role of govt from Liberal Statism to Constitutional Libertarianism
B. Our approaches to deterrence and correction from Restorative to Retributive Justice and where to use which approach
C. Our values and beliefs internally and whether or how to use Govt to either defend or establish them

Fort Fun Indiana
I have Christian Anarchist friends who do not believe in using military or law enforcement to enforce Borders, mask or vaccine or any govt mandates, or use any force or coercion at all.

I have friends who believe Biden as President should push to solve problems in South America blamed on US policy for causing the immigration and drug traffic crisis, and Congress should tax billionaires to wipe out poverty worldwide.

These are both beliefs about Justice.

Social Justice believers have faith in using Govt to regulate economic and political disparities.

Equal Justice Conservatives believe people use our own liberty and free will to fix our social and economic problems ourselves not rely on govt which is artificial manipulation and not sustainable.

Christians who believe the only authority of law or justice they can follow comes from Jesus reject BOTH liberal AND conservative as manmade govt that is all false and corrupted.

We all believe in a higher standard of justice for security, but clearly we believe in different ways of establishing this.

Which is why we have not yet achieved justice for all, we keep fighting in groups thinking the other ways are the problem in the way, when in fact all three groups think their way will prevail after "getting rid of the other opponents".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

1. We who agree to these things are still doing things based on faith.

No we are not. Faith is belief without evidence. There's plenty of evidence of the success of organized government, the social contract, in societies based on laws. Stop trying to put your faith in the same shelf as trust based on evidence.

 

[BreezeWood]

No we are not. Faith is belief without evidence. There's plenty of evidence of the success of organized government, the social contract, in societies based on laws. Stop trying to put your faith in the same shelf as trust based on evidence.

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you read that post - it's like opposing magnets the further you read - emil's posts ... kind of like torture.

 

[james bond]

Adam sinned, not Eve. Why did Yahweh punish an innocent Eve?

Be you a believer or not, your life has been affected by the mainstream religions and the myth of Adam and Eve. It is the source of Christian homophobia and misogyny.

There are many strange things in the myth of Adam and Eve.
Was Adam born alone or first?
If Adam was created in God’s image and likeness, who is woman modeled after?
Satan is depicted in part as a woman.

Who was she modeled on and why female? Likely because of evolution and women being men’s biological prize.

In law, to be punished, one must be shown to have evil intent or an evil mind. Latin, Men’s Rea.

This is what human justice is based on.

Was Eve innocent, given that she had no evil intent?

Regards
DL

As usual, you get things wrong. In this case, backwards.

Who ate the forbidden fruit first?

 

[GreatestIam]

why does god send people to hell when they die a spirit cannot feel pain

You know this as a fact, how?

You lie like a Christian. Just kidding on this. I am a sort of Christian myself.

In Gnostic Christianity, heaven and hell are just how we feel about reality.

They are always here and now to us.

We do not hold any supernatural beliefs.

We think that quite foolish as it creates an immoral double standard in Christians..

When we discus the vile right wing of mainstream religions, we condemn genocide and their god, Yahweh and Jesus to hell, just to scare the hell out of those mental literalist children.

The pain of hell within reality I feel, when I bother touching it, is caused by the poorly thinking people that cannot be other than what they are.

They are the ones promoting division and holding us back.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

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you read that post - it's like opposing magnets the further you read - emil's posts ... kind of like torture.

A gifted hypocrite.

We all have strong points.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

As usual, you get things wrong. In this case, backwards.

Who ate the forbidden fruit first?

Eve showed the good sense that had her give stupid Adam what Christians sing is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

IOW, Eve helped Adam keep to the plan.

What else is a helpmate for?

Eve was the food taster because Adam was too stupid to know a good apple from a rotten one.

That is why Yahweh made sure Satan tempted Eve first.

Regards
DL

 

[james bond]

Eve showed the good sense that had her give stupid Adam what Christians sing is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

IOW, Eve helped Adam keep to the plan.

What else is a helpmate for?

Eve was the food taster because Adam was too stupid to know a good apple from a rotten one.

That is why Yahweh made sure Satan tempted Eve first.

Regards
DL

You're just piling up more wrongness on top of wrongness. I learned the use of an old word today and that is malcontent. It's a word for a male bitch. One does not want to be a malcontent.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

One does not want to be a malcontent.

Says the squealing little piggie that pees his panties whenever the fact of evolution is brought up.

 

[james bond]

Says the squealing little piggie that pees his panties whenever the fact of evolution is brought up.

Only because evolution is considered science without any evidence.