Activist Greta Thunberg will be forced to watch unedited footage of Oct 7 as a condition of her release/IDF

[rosends]

Wrong.
What the person is saying is that the name Palestine for the coastal region, does not reflect any particular leadership.
Clearly their intent is to describe Palestine as part of an even larger Arab history of Syria.

Thier intent is clear -- to deny any historical national construct called "Palestine."

But clearly the term Palestine was not invented by Zionists.
Palestine likely was promoted by the Romans much earlier.

it was used to dejudify the area

The Forgotten History of the Term "Palestine"

Some think of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute as a clash of nationalisms. Others stress religious antagonism, while others yet see an East-West power struggle. But it is roundly agreed upon that a key element of the conflict is land. That land, for many years by many people, was called...

www.hudson.org

What matters is there is no basic for taking land from the native owners and forcing it to be subjugated by any one religion.

great. so the native Jews can't be kicked out

Imposing religion is always wrong.

you mean the way Christianity and Islam force conversions upon people. Judaism doesn't.

And stealing home without paying is always wrong.

attacking and killing people is also wrong.

So Israel is totally without merit, justification, or legality.

It has historical precedent and the imprimatur of the nations of the world.

 

[rosends]

As small Roman city states.

but those are the correct names. So you will abandon "West Bank" right?

 

[Rigby5]

has she seen it now?

and what did she say then?

She was not allowed to see Gaza.
She was illegally commandeered and forced to Israel instead.

 

[rosends]

The refugee camps were for the Palestinians who escaped the massacres by Menachim Begin's terrorist gangs.
What is illegal is that they were never allowed the right of return to the homes and legal possessions.

actually, they initially were allowed back, but that's just history.

About 62,000 Palestinian refugees forced to leave their homes in Palestine in 1946, still live in camps in Jordan.
It is only Arafat and the PLO who were expelled from Jordan.

Yes, the ones who called it Palestine.

 

[Rigby5]

Thier intent is clear -- to deny any historical national construct called "Palestine."

Wrong.
No one ever claimed that Palestine was a particular historic national construct.
It always clearly was a region, not a nation.
But it is much more efficient for nations to be larger these days, so regions are what you use.

 

[rosends]

Wrong.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are from the 2nd Temple period, which is Roman.
So then could be written in the new fake Hebrew script the Romans invented for them.

so your claim that "The Dead Sea Scrolls are in Greek and Aramaic" is wrong. Nicely done, disproving yourself.

 

[Rigby5]

it was used to dejudify the area

Wrong.
The "de-Judification" of the Mideast happened around 160 AD with the Rabbinical Diaspora Decree.
That is when the 12 tribes of Judaism left the Land of Canaan and went to Medina in Saudi Arabia.

The whole point of the British splitting up TransJordan and creating Palestine was to allow for them to comply with the Balfour Declaration, since they needed to allow for facilitated Jewish immigration, and the Hashemites wanted no part in Jewish immigration.
But Palestine is not historically Jewish, and the Jewish immigrants were not supposed interfere with the historic Arab sovereignty.
The creation of Israel is totally wrong, from a legal, land ownership, historic, or ethical perspective.

 

[rosends]

Wrong.
No one ever claimed that Palestine was a particular historic national construct.
It always clearly was a region, not a nation.
But it is much more efficient for nations to be larger these days, so regions are what you use.

great! So it was never a nation, just a regional label, like, say, "New England."

Israel is the nation that occupies the region that was historically called Palestine. In fact, the Jersulaem Post newspaper used to be called The Palestine Post. Take a look at the Palestinian national soccer team from the 30's. Read the names. Then look at British mandate coins and see the reference to "The Land of Israel".

By simply pointing out that Palestine was a region, you have acepted that the existence of a nation on that land does not negate any earlier national identity.

 

[Rigby5]

great. so the native Jews can't be kicked out

Its true the native Jews should not be kicked out, but there are fewer than 30,000 of the natives who are Jewish, according to the 1922 British census.

They owned no land and lived in the Old Quarter of Jerusalem.
They got kicked out because they rebelled in 1948 and attacked the British.

 

[rosends]

Wrong.
The "de-Judification" of the Mideast happened around 160 AD with the Rabbinical Diaspora Decree.
That is when the 12 tribes of Judaism left the Land of Canaan and went to Medina in Saudi Arabia.

wait, what? Can you provide some historical info on that "Rabbinical Diaspora Decree"?

And the 10 tribes were exiled 800 years before that.

The whole point of the British splitting up TransJordan and creating Palestine was to allow for them to comply with the Balfour Declaration, since they needed to allow for facilitated Jewish immigration, and the Hashemites wanted no part in Jewish immigration.
But Palestine is not historically Jewish, and the Jewish immigrants were not supposed interfere with the historic Arab sovereignty.
The creation of Israel is totally wrong, from a legal, land ownership, historic, or ethical perspective.

Except that the same mandate that established (legally) Israel, established not only Jordan but also a nascent Arab state within the region of Palestine if the people could show that they could establish the infrastructure to become an independent nation. They couldn't.

 

[Rigby5]

you mean the way Christianity and Islam force conversions upon people. Judaism doesn't.

Wrong.
Islam not only never forces conversion, but rarely even allowed conversion.
Islam is clear in the Quran that there can be no compulsion over religion, and that Christianity and Judaism are "Brothers of the Book", equally Abrahamic, and valid means to heaven.

 

[rosends]

Its true the native Jews should not be kicked out, but there are fewer than 30,000 of the natives who are Jewish, according to the 1922 British census.

why not use the 1948 number? 670,000

They owned no land and lived in the Old Quarter of Jerusalem.

also many other places throughout the land. Have you never heard of Chevron? Tzfat? Teveryah?

They got kicked out because they rebelled in 1948 and attacked the British.

actually, they didn't get kicked out. You seem very confused.

 

[rosends]

Wrong.
Islam not only never forces conversion, but rarely even allowed conversion.
Islam is clear in the Quran that there can be no compulsion over religion, and that Christianity and Judaism are "Brothers of the Book", equally Abrahamic, and valid means to heaven.

oh

Forced conversion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[irosie91]

The Romans created a Hebrew script around 100 BC.
But it was based on Aramaic.
Those claiming to read Hebrew are actually reading Aramaic that existed when the Hebrew were illiterate.
But being parchment, that likely is a fairly modern writing.
Likely 100 AD or newer.

madrassah education. ^^^^ I have known many such people very well

 

[Rigby5]

attacking and killing people is also wrong.

Attacking and killing is not only justifiable in retaliation, but absolutely necessary in order to deter more attacks.

And again, the Palestinians never had any arms or armies, while the US illegally armed the Zionists in 1946 while all their WWII surplus bombers, p-51 Mustangs, M-4 Sherman tanks, etc.
It is Zionists who then did all the "attacking and killing".
Why else would Menachim Begin blow up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel?
How did Israel end up with 90% of Palestine without paying for any of it?
Why are the 13 million Palestinian natives bunched into just 10% of their native land they paid for?

 

[irosie91]

oh

Forced conversion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

in general---it's the muslimah school girls who parrot the crap that rigby parrots-----
they keep the girls really stupid

 

[irosie91]

Attacking and killing is not only justifiable in retaliation, but absolutely necessary in order to deter more attacks.

And again, the Palestinians never had any arms or armies, while the US illegally armed the Zionists in 1946 while all their WWII surplus bombers, p-51 Mustangs, M-4 Sherman tanks, etc.
It is Zionists who then did all the "attacking and killing".
Why else would Menachim Begin blow up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel?
How did Israel end up with 90% of Palestine without paying for any of it?
Why are the 13 million Palestinian natives bunched into just 10% of their native land they paid for?

how much did they pay and WHOM did they pay?

 

[rosends]

Attacking and killing is not only justifiable in retaliation, but absolutely necessary in order to deter more attacks.

great -- you just justified Israel's actions. Thanks!

And again, the Palestinians never had any arms or armies, while the US illegally armed the Zionists in 1946 while all their WWII surplus bombers, p-51 Mustangs, M-4 Sherman tanks, etc.
It is Zionists who then did all the "attacking and killing".
Why else would Menachim Begin blow up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel?
How did Israel end up with 90% of Palestine without paying for any of it?
Why are the 13 million Palestinian natives bunched into just 10% of their native land they paid for?

5 Arabs countries attacked and lost. That's how you lose land. Had the Arabs accepted the original deal, they would have had a country of their own.

 

[Rigby5]

It has historical precedent and the imprimatur of the nations of the world.

Wrong
The only "historical precedent" that Isael represents is the barbaric genocide of the native Canaanites by the invading Hebrew tribes from Egypt, around 1000 BC to 800 BC.

There is no excuse for a religion to be imposed over a region.
No one else has ever even considered doing that.
No culturally Moslem nation has ever imposed a religion on anyone.
There have been a few nations that restricted Judaism, but that was only when treason and disloyalty became suspect.

For example, I have seen video of a Jewish hospital in Israel that rejected an Arab injured child, and forced them to go to an Arab hospital.
That is not only evil, but inherently illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

but those are the correct names. So you will abandon "West Bank" right?

Wrong.
Judea and Samaria are Roman names and not correct at all.
The West Bank refers to a larger region.