About Those J6 “People”

[Marener]

It was not people "jumping to conclusions". It was nation wide orchestrated race mongering propaganda campaigns and then violent, deadly riots.

You're being delusional and paranoid again. This is not political, and they're not planned.

It was political violence to achieve political goals. Far left political goals.

Your denial of this obvious fact, is you being a lying whore.

I don't think that it's a far left political goal to stop the police from mistreating black people.

It's not like the Jan 6th riot where they used violence to achieve and actual political goal of stealing an election for a politician.

Here you are whining about black criminals, that you just denied doing, right above.

Leftards are retarded.

You brought it up, so I responded.

A lot of different riots, in different jurisdictions, with lot of different cfrimes, and yet, really only TWO general catogories of treatment.

The one republican riot got the HAMMER brought down, HARD.

The rest, kind of just swept under the rug and forgotten.

Different jurisdictions handle different crimes differently.

What is swept under the rug is that there were a lot of prosecutions for acts of violence in 2020 summer riots. You guys pretend that no one was prosecuted.

Someone is responsible for the difference. And it is clearly a valid grounds for complaining about civil rights.

I want my civil rights respected. Mine and those of my people.

It's not. These complaints were brought up in court and failed for pretty obvious reasons that you refuse to accept.

"Someone" implies that there is a single individual or organization making these decisions, and that's not the case. It's pretty absurd to claim that the DoJ is constrained in what they can prosecute because the local prosecutor in Portland didn't do something.

My points are clear. That is why you lie about them so much. So that you can avoid admitting that you are the bad guy, you commie scum.

They really aren't. The civil rights issue is definitely not clearly explained. You said "equal protection" and got really pissy when I asked you to explain it further because a single incomplete sentence does not constitute an argument.

Moreover, when you force me to make assumptions about your arguments, then you complain that I'm lying about them.

No matter what I do, you've created a situation where you complain either way.

 

[Political-Junkie]

It was not people "jumping to conclusions". It was nation wide orchestrated race mongering propaganda campaigns and then violent, deadly riots.



It was political violence to achieve political goals. Far left political goals.

Your denial of this obvious fact, is you being a lying whore.





Here you are whining about black criminals, that you just denied doing, right above.

Leftards are retarded.






A lot of different riots, in different jurisdictions, with lot of different cfrimes, and yet, really only TWO general catogories of treatment.

The one republican riot got the HAMMER brought down, HARD.

The rest, kind of just swept under the rug and forgotten.




Someone is responsible for the difference. And it is clearly a valid grounds for complaining about civil rights.

I want my civil rights respected. Mine and those of my people.





My points are clear. That is why you lie about them so much. So that you can avoid admitting that you are the bad guy, you commie scum.

It was political only in the sense of people were protesting against police abuse. Like Marener pointed out, they weren't protesting for democrats or against republicans.

 

[postman]

It was political only in the sense of people were protesting against police abuse. Like Marener pointed out, they weren't protesting for democrats or against republicans.

They also hate that so few 2020 rioters were prosecuted, because they had so little evidence of which rioter committed what crime.
If 100 people commit 100 crimes, unless you can match the person to the crime, you don't have a case.

 

[markef]

You’re just full of racist grievance ain’t ya buddy

I do not agree with the common view that cops have no right to use deadly force against a black suspect that poses a threat to officers attempting to arrest him.

 

[markef]

Those millions of Americans must be crazy then since it was proven in court that George Floyd was murdered by a cop.

Wrongful convictions do not prove the innocent victim of the wrongful conviction did something wrong.

 

[postman]

Wrongful convictions do not prove the innocent victim of the wrongful conviction did something wrong.

WTF
He was convicted. The conviction appealed and sustained.

State Conviction: Chauvin’s second-degree unintentional murder conviction was unanimously upheld by the Minnesota Court of Appeals in April 2023. Later that year, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal, effectively solidifying the conviction

Federal Conviction: Chauvin pleaded guilty in December 2021 to federal charges of violating George Floyd’s civil rights. He is currently seeking to overturn this conviction by arguing ineffective assistance of counsel
Legal experts generally view his remaining avenues for overturning these verdicts as slim.

 

[markef]

WTF
He was convicted. The conviction appealed and sustained.

State Conviction: Chauvin’s second-degree unintentional murder conviction was unanimously upheld by the Minnesota Court of Appeals in April 2023. Later that year, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear his appeal, effectively solidifying the conviction

Federal Conviction: Chauvin pleaded guilty in December 2021 to federal charges of violating George Floyd’s civil rights. He is currently seeking to overturn this conviction by arguing ineffective assistance of counsel
Legal experts generally view his remaining avenues for overturning these verdicts as slim.

Are wrongful convictions made just convictions if the appeals are rejected?

 

[postman]

Are wrongful convictions made just convictions if the appeals are rejected?

The appeal sustained the conviction UNANAMOUSLY.

 

[Political-Junkie]

They also hate that so few 2020 rioters were prosecuted, because they had so little evidence of which rioter committed what crime.
If 100 people commit 100 crimes, unless you can match the person to the crime, you don't have a case.

Well, not everyone was stupid enough to record themselves committing crimes and posting their criminal behavior online.

 

[Political-Junkie]

I do not agree with the common view that cops have no right to use deadly force against a black suspect that poses a threat to officers attempting to arrest him.

But if it's officer Michael Byrd shooting a white criminal, then you have a problem with it, right?

 

[Political-Junkie]

Wrongful convictions do not prove the innocent victim of the wrongful conviction did something wrong.

What was "wrongful" about his conviction?

 

[AntonToo]

Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits

Two of the FBI’s four applications for warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to spy on a Trump campaign adviser lacked probable cause and should not have been issued in the first place. That’s the stunning admission by the Justice Department, contained in a recent court filing...

www.heritage.org

And it has nothing to do with Trump actually being spied on.

Carter never communicated with Trump, was not member of the campaign at the time warrants were issued.

Get it dummy?

 

[beagle9]

You are stonewalling, becasue you, as a committed lefty partisan, NEED the one republican riot, to try to balance out all the lefty riots and assassination attempts and lawfare and escalations.


The thing is, that even if you win the fight with the 1/6 riot, it is still your side that is the violent assholes, who want to remake this country into a third world shit hole,

while MAGA, just wants to go back to when we were a sane country.


If you give up the 1/6 riot, as a defining moment and accept it as an aberration and stop trying to smear good people with it,


that would be a healing moment for America.


And you don't want that. You want more division and strife and conflict and violence.

Great post..

 

[markef]

The appeal sustained the conviction UNANAMOUSLY.

Not even a unanimous rejection of an appeal of a wrongful conviction will somehow miraculously transform a wrongful conviction into a just conviction.

 

[markef]

But if it's officer Michael Byrd shooting a white criminal, then you have a problem with it, right?

Michael Byrd made a bad decision to shoot randomly into the mob from his limited sight position behind other officers and he ended up killing the woman who was doing the most to try to shut down the mob violence.

 

[markef]

What was "wrongful" about his conviction?

Witnesses lied on the stand and the judge allowed them to get away with it.

 

[markef]

And it has nothing to do with Trump actually being spied on.

Carter never communicated with Trump, was not member of the campaign at the time warrants were issued.

Get it dummy?

Democrats pretended they were only spying on Carter, but millions of Americans saw right through that corrupt lie.

DOJ ADMITS that warrants to spy on Carter Page were improperly renewed

The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent. The Justice Department renewed the warrant three times.

www.dailymail.com

• FISA court order made public on Thursday reveals DOJ admitted fault
• Carter Page was put under surveillance for months during 2016 and 2017
• The FBI said he might be a 'Russian agent' but no proof he was ever emerged
• Now Justice admits that at least two renewals had 'insufficient predication'
• Inspector General accuses FBI of omitting key evidence exonerating Page
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By KEITH GRIFFITH, US NEWS REPORTER and WIRES

Published: 20:01 EDT, 23 January 2020 | Updated: 23:41 EDT, 23 January 2020

The Justice Department has concluded that it had 'insufficient predication' to continue spying on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, according to an order made public Thursday by a secretive intelligence court.

The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent. The Justice Department renewed the warrant three times, including during the early months of the Trump administration.

But the Justice Department's inspector general has harshly criticized the FBI's handing of those applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.










It says the FBI omitted from the court key details that undercut their original premise about Page, who has denied any wrongdoing and was never charged as part of the investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.

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The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page (above) on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent - though such claim was never proven
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In an order made public Thursday, the court's chief judge, James Boasberg, says the Justice Department informed the court last month that two of the four applications were invalid because 'there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that (Carter) Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power.'


After the inspector general report, the surveillance court issued a rare and extraordinary public order saying the FBI had submitted 'unsupported' information when it applied to eavesdrop on Page.

'The Court understands the government to have concluded, in view of the material misstatements and omissions, that the Court's authorizations ... were not valid,' Boasberg wrote.

The Justice Department has not concluded whether its prior surveillance of Page was justified, he wrote in an opinion dated January 7.

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The FBI evidence in the warrant application and renewals was signed off on by James Comey (left) and later Andrew McCabe (right) after Comey was fired as FBI director
The Justice Department and Page did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The FBI declined to comment. The FBI investigation was taken over in May 2017 by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The court directed the FBI to report back by this month on what steps it was taking to fix the problems.

FBI Director Chris Wray has announced a series of changes designed to improve the thoroughness and accuracy of applications submitted to the surveillance court, which grants secret warrants to the FBI when they can show probable cause that the target of their eavesdropping is an agent of a foreign power, such as a suspected spy or terrorist.

 

[jacksonlamb]

 

[Lesh]

I do not agree with the common view that cops have no right to use deadly force against a black suspect that poses a threat to officers attempting to arrest him.

What’s that nonsense have to do with George Floyd?

 

[AntonToo]

Democrats pretended they were only spying on Carter, but millions of Americans saw right through that corrupt lie.

DOJ ADMITS that warrants to spy on Carter Page were improperly renewed

The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent. The Justice Department renewed the warrant three times.

www.dailymail.com

• FISA court order made public on Thursday reveals DOJ admitted fault
• Carter Page was put under surveillance for months during 2016 and 2017
• The FBI said he might be a 'Russian agent' but no proof he was ever emerged
• Now Justice admits that at least two renewals had 'insufficient predication'
• Inspector General accuses FBI of omitting key evidence exonerating Page
• See more Daily Mail on Google - save us as a Preferred Source

By KEITH GRIFFITH, US NEWS REPORTER and WIRES

Published: 20:01 EDT, 23 January 2020 | Updated: 23:41 EDT, 23 January 2020

The Justice Department has concluded that it had 'insufficient predication' to continue spying on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, according to an order made public Thursday by a secretive intelligence court.

The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent. The Justice Department renewed the warrant three times, including during the early months of the Trump administration.

But the Justice Department's inspector general has harshly criticized the FBI's handing of those applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.










It says the FBI omitted from the court key details that undercut their original premise about Page, who has denied any wrongdoing and was never charged as part of the investigation into ties between Russia and the Trump campaign.

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The FBI obtained a warrant during the 2016 campaign to eavesdrop on Page (above) on suspicions that he was secretly a Russian agent - though such claim was never proven
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In an order made public Thursday, the court's chief judge, James Boasberg, says the Justice Department informed the court last month that two of the four applications were invalid because 'there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that (Carter) Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power.'


After the inspector general report, the surveillance court issued a rare and extraordinary public order saying the FBI had submitted 'unsupported' information when it applied to eavesdrop on Page.

'The Court understands the government to have concluded, in view of the material misstatements and omissions, that the Court's authorizations ... were not valid,' Boasberg wrote.

The Justice Department has not concluded whether its prior surveillance of Page was justified, he wrote in an opinion dated January 7.

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The FBI evidence in the warrant application and renewals was signed off on by James Comey (left) and later Andrew McCabe (right) after Comey was fired as FBI director
The Justice Department and Page did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

The FBI declined to comment. The FBI investigation was taken over in May 2017 by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The court directed the FBI to report back by this month on what steps it was taking to fix the problems.

FBI Director Chris Wray has announced a series of changes designed to improve the thoroughness and accuracy of applications submitted to the surveillance court, which grants secret warrants to the FBI when they can show probable cause that the target of their eavesdropping is an agent of a foreign power, such as a suspected spy or terrorist.

Moron, you can cut and paste irrelavancies all day long, doesn't change the fact that Carter Page never spoke to Trump and had already left the campaign at the time of the warrants.