High_Gravity
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Never said that, I met too many Muslims to know that simply isn't accurate.
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Never said that, I met too many Muslims to know that simply isn't accurate.
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Before that, the Ottoman Empire was the major power in the region. You'll notice that pretty much every state in the world at the time operated according to the belief that territory can legitimately be acquired by force. You're now singling out a state for doing things that its Christian contemporaries did just as readily.
Source?
I'm intelligent enough that I don't bother taking peoples' claims seriously if those claims aren't supported by credible data.
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I said that?
High_Gravity
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You said the US has a higher murder rate than Majority Muslim countries. Somalia, Yemen and the Sudan are Muslim Majority.
No, they are peaceful her because Islam tells them not to pick a fight when the odds are so one sided.Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
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Thank you. Tell that to Intense, Ropey, Fitnah and Logical. They think ALL of Islam is INHERENTLY violent.
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That depends on the the nature of the "exercise of conscience."
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I think you're missing a couple of key words.
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You're a cynic. I'm not.
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It's not about gender, it's about a flawed thinking process. Logically it does not follow. What does follow is a self-fulfilling prophesy for when Sky Dancer does decide to leave, she tells herself it is because we have run her out.
This flawed thinking allows her to relinquish responsibility for her choice of leaving.
Im not going to ignore what Islam teaches.
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I don't think that's an unreasonable portrayal of your stated views in light of your ascription of 20-odd 'border wars' to the Islamic religion.
But yes, I'd much rather hear you speak for yourself.
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It's not about gender, it's about a flawed thinking process. Logically it does not follow. What does follow is a self-fulfilling prophesy for when Sky Dancer does decide to leave, she tells herself it is because we have run her out.
This flawed thinking allows her to relinquish responsibility for her choice of leaving.
I leave when it gets ugly. I come back the next day and make a new beginning. If you want to fault me for that, so be it.
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Actually, you ignore what Islam teaches. You ignore everything peaceful and beautiful in it.
You're a cynic.
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If you want to know what I think, why tell me?
Why don't you simply ask me what I think about that highlighted statement.
\\Ropey? Do you think ALL of Islam is INHERENTLY violent?//
Considering I have already posted the opposite on this thread I add to the view that your mind is quite disordered.
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Where are these beautiful islamic places? Do they allow tourists?
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In the Koran, the only permissible war is one of self-defense. Muslims may not begin hostilities (2: 190).
Warfare is always evil, but sometimes you have to fight in order to avoid the kind of persecution that Mecca inflicted on the Muslims (2: 191; 2: 217) or to preserve decent values (4: 75; 22: 40).
The Koran quotes the Torah, the Jewish scriptures, which permits people to retaliate eye for eye, tooth for tooth, but like the Gospels, the Koran suggests that it is meritorious to forgo revenge in a spirit of charity (5: 45).
Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the minute the enemy sues for peace (2: 192- 3).
The primary meaning of the word jihad is not “holy war” but “struggle.” It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God’s will into practice at every level — personal and social as well as political. A very important and much quoted tradition has Muhammad telling his companions as they go home after a battle, “We are returning from the lesser jihad [the battle] to the greater jihad,” the far more urgent and momentous task of extirpating wrongdoing from one’s own society and one’s own heart.
Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, “There must be no coercion in matters of faith!” (2: 256).
Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the “People of the Book,” who worship the same God (29: 46).
In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, “O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another” (49: 13) — not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/the-true-peaceful-face-of-islam/
Warfare is always evil, but sometimes you have to fight in order to avoid the kind of persecution that Mecca inflicted on the Muslims (2: 191; 2: 217) or to preserve decent values (4: 75; 22: 40).
The Koran quotes the Torah, the Jewish scriptures, which permits people to retaliate eye for eye, tooth for tooth, but like the Gospels, the Koran suggests that it is meritorious to forgo revenge in a spirit of charity (5: 45).
Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the minute the enemy sues for peace (2: 192- 3).
The primary meaning of the word jihad is not “holy war” but “struggle.” It refers to the difficult effort that is needed to put God’s will into practice at every level — personal and social as well as political. A very important and much quoted tradition has Muhammad telling his companions as they go home after a battle, “We are returning from the lesser jihad [the battle] to the greater jihad,” the far more urgent and momentous task of extirpating wrongdoing from one’s own society and one’s own heart.
Islam did not impose itself by the sword. In a statement in which the Arabic is extremely emphatic, the Koran insists, “There must be no coercion in matters of faith!” (2: 256).
Constantly Muslims are enjoined to respect Jews and Christians, the “People of the Book,” who worship the same God (29: 46).
In words quoted by Muhammad in one of his last public sermons, God tells all human beings, “O people! We have formed you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another” (49: 13) — not to conquer, convert, subjugate, revile or slaughter but to reach out toward others with intelligence and understanding.
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/the-true-peaceful-face-of-islam/
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Conversion from Islam to Buddhism. Conversion from Islam to Christian. Conversion from Islam to Atheist.
If you want to know what I think, why tell me?
Why don't you simply ask me what I think about that highlighted statement.
\\Ropey? Do you think ALL of Islam is INHERENTLY violent?//
Considering I have already posted the opposite on this thread I add to the view that your mind is quite disordered.
She doesn't let the truth get in the way of a good story, does she?
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