CDZ Abortion Perspective

[Markle]

Lining the paychecks and bonuses of Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

I love ya Eagle, you are one of my special dudes...but, again - what profit? The law allows them to be recompensed for costs related to preparing samples and shipping. That is legit. It's up to you and other to show PP is making money here.

Yeah there'd be no conflict of interest in an agency that refers people out to an abortion clinic that turns around and 'donates' the left over fetal parts back to PP so they can 'handle' the sale and distribution of said parts.

Maybe PP should consider expansion and get into handling Special Needs people by recommending SN agencies that run waiver homes so that SN agency can have those special needs people sign papers for organ donation so when those special needs people die the organs can go back to PP for sale and distribution.

Hey!!! Maybe they can even get into adoptions... Longmire - Season 1 - Episode 5 - Dog Soldier


I'll take a nominal $5 fee for every organ they handle and a nominal $100 fee for every adoption, and an extra $100 for every minority child, that PP handles since they're my ideas.....

That'll be all tax free since I'll be a non-profit right?

Of course there'll probably be no incentive for Planned Parenthood directors to encourage their people to highly suggest clients to have abortions, donate organs, or put someone up for adoption, at $50 to $100 a part or $5,000 to $10,000 a warm body in agency handling fees. Now would there?

*****SMILE*****

There isn't. The laws are that strict. The reality is that you don't have a leg to stand on other than you don't like it. That's fine but it's not a legit argument.

I disagree.

If you want to argue that Planned Parenthood is simply a health care provider and has nothing to do with abortions then they should distance themselves from said practices totally including the handling of fetal remains. The most they should be allowed is referring women who want/choose to get an abortion to a clinic that provides those services that has no actual connection to Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

Reproductive health. All aspects of it. They make referrals now. They don't need to "distance" themselves from it.

There is a simple solution.

Totally separate the two parts of Planned Parenthood. Two totally separate entities, no management, facilities, funds, donations or expenses shared at all. One organization continues to operate as Planned Parenthood and the now separate organization, say Abortions R Us. Neither can have any connection to the other, no donations or payments between the two. No government funding to "Abortions R Us", government funding allowed to Planned Parenthood.

Problem solved.

 

[Disir]

I love ya Eagle, you are one of my special dudes...but, again - what profit? The law allows them to be recompensed for costs related to preparing samples and shipping. That is legit. It's up to you and other to show PP is making money here.

Yeah there'd be no conflict of interest in an agency that refers people out to an abortion clinic that turns around and 'donates' the left over fetal parts back to PP so they can 'handle' the sale and distribution of said parts.

Maybe PP should consider expansion and get into handling Special Needs people by recommending SN agencies that run waiver homes so that SN agency can have those special needs people sign papers for organ donation so when those special needs people die the organs can go back to PP for sale and distribution.

Hey!!! Maybe they can even get into adoptions... Longmire - Season 1 - Episode 5 - Dog Soldier


I'll take a nominal $5 fee for every organ they handle and a nominal $100 fee for every adoption, and an extra $100 for every minority child, that PP handles since they're my ideas.....

That'll be all tax free since I'll be a non-profit right?

Of course there'll probably be no incentive for Planned Parenthood directors to encourage their people to highly suggest clients to have abortions, donate organs, or put someone up for adoption, at $50 to $100 a part or $5,000 to $10,000 a warm body in agency handling fees. Now would there?

*****SMILE*****

There isn't. The laws are that strict. The reality is that you don't have a leg to stand on other than you don't like it. That's fine but it's not a legit argument.

I disagree.

If you want to argue that Planned Parenthood is simply a health care provider and has nothing to do with abortions then they should distance themselves from said practices totally including the handling of fetal remains. The most they should be allowed is referring women who want/choose to get an abortion to a clinic that provides those services that has no actual connection to Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

Reproductive health. All aspects of it. They make referrals now. They don't need to "distance" themselves from it.

There is a simple solution.

Totally separate the two parts of Planned Parenthood. Two totally separate entities, no management, facilities, funds, donations or expenses shared at all. One organization continues to operate as Planned Parenthood and the now separate organization, say Abortions R Us. Neither can have any connection to the other, no donations or payments between the two. No government funding to "Abortions R Us", government funding allowed to Planned Parenthood.

Problem solved.

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have never met any "pro-abortion" people.

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

 

[JoeMoma]

I have never met any "pro-abortion" people.

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

Being pro-choice is certainly not being anti-abortion. It's kind of like saying I don't beat wife, but It should be legal for other men to beat their wives, so that I personally am not for wife beating, but I'm not against others doing it either.

 

[Markle]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

 

[Disir]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have never met any "pro-abortion" people.

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

Being pro-choice is certainly not being anti-abortion. It's kind of like saying I don't beat wife, but It should be legal for other men to beat their wives, so that I personally am not for wife beating, but I'm not against others doing it either.

so, If my wife argues against abortion, but also argues against abortion laws which are invasive, and an attack on individual rights, what false category would you put her into??

 

[Markle]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

So? I said "Abortions 'R' Us" could not take government funding. Fine for Planned Parenthood.

Are faith-based organizations providing abortions?

 

[Disir]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

So? I said "Abortions 'R' Us" could not take government funding. Fine for Planned Parenthood.

Are faith-based organizations providing abortions?

I'm not interested in them providing abortions. I'm interested in them taking tax dollars.

 

[Markle]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

So? I said "Abortions 'R' Us" could not take government funding. Fine for Planned Parenthood.

Are faith-based organizations providing abortions?

I'm not interested in them providing abortions. I'm interested in them taking tax dollars.

Why? Do you object to Planned Parenthood accepting tax-dollars too?

 

[Disir]

Right after we drop all tax payer funding for faith based organizations. Simple?

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

So? I said "Abortions 'R' Us" could not take government funding. Fine for Planned Parenthood.

Are faith-based organizations providing abortions?

I'm not interested in them providing abortions. I'm interested in them taking tax dollars.

Why? Do you object to Planned Parenthood accepting tax-dollars too?

I object to tax dollars being provided to faith based organizations.

 

[Faun]

You need to prove that.

As you saw, I did, thank you!

No, you didn't. The law allows them to charge for the cost involved in samples and shipping. Where is the profit?

Lining the paychecks and bonuses of Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

*****SMILE*****

 

[JoeMoma]

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

Being pro-choice is certainly not being anti-abortion. It's kind of like saying I don't beat wife, but It should be legal for other men to beat their wives, so that I personally am not for wife beating, but I'm not against others doing it either.

so, If my wife argues against abortion, but also argues against abortion laws which are invasive, and an attack on individual rights, what false category would you put her into??

That would be like arguing against child porn, yet at the same time stating that others have the right to make and distribute child porn. Don't you see the conflict? Seems like your wife is trying to hold two conflicting views at the same time.

 

[JoeMoma]

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

Being pro-choice is certainly not being anti-abortion. It's kind of like saying I don't beat wife, but It should be legal for other men to beat their wives, so that I personally am not for wife beating, but I'm not against others doing it either.

so, If my wife argues against abortion, but also argues against abortion laws which are invasive, and an attack on individual rights, what false category would you put her into??

Okay, I have thought this out a little more. There can be different levels of being against something. For example, I can be against people smoking, yet believe smoking is not such a bad thing that people shouldn't have the right to smoke. On the other hand, some things are so evil that it would be contradictory to "be against" those things, yet believe people should have the right to do those things. You seem to be against abortion much the same way I'm against smoking.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

Being pro-choice is certainly not being anti-abortion. It's kind of like saying I don't beat wife, but It should be legal for other men to beat their wives, so that I personally am not for wife beating, but I'm not against others doing it either.

so, If my wife argues against abortion, but also argues against abortion laws which are invasive, and an attack on individual rights, what false category would you put her into??

That would be like arguing against child porn, yet at the same time stating that others have the right to make and distribute child porn. Don't you see the conflict? Seems like your wife is trying to hold two conflicting views at the same time.

Not at all Jo. In fact, your position makes no sense at all. The Right is arguing for abortion laws, but no one is arguing that people who have them should be criminalized, which means that they are arguing only for the right to send a few doctors to prison, while women continue to have abortions in states where it would still be legal. This is total nonsense.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Lining the paychecks and bonuses of Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

I love ya Eagle, you are one of my special dudes...but, again - what profit? The law allows them to be recompensed for costs related to preparing samples and shipping. That is legit. It's up to you and other to show PP is making money here.

Yeah there'd be no conflict of interest in an agency that refers people out to an abortion clinic that turns around and 'donates' the left over fetal parts back to PP so they can 'handle' the sale and distribution of said parts.

Maybe PP should consider expansion and get into handling Special Needs people by recommending SN agencies that run waiver homes so that SN agency can have those special needs people sign papers for organ donation so when those special needs people die the organs can go back to PP for sale and distribution.

Hey!!! Maybe they can even get into adoptions... Longmire - Season 1 - Episode 5 - Dog Soldier


I'll take a nominal $5 fee for every organ they handle and a nominal $100 fee for every adoption, and an extra $100 for every minority child, that PP handles since they're my ideas.....

That'll be all tax free since I'll be a non-profit right?

Of course there'll probably be no incentive for Planned Parenthood directors to encourage their people to highly suggest clients to have abortions, donate organs, or put someone up for adoption, at $50 to $100 a part or $5,000 to $10,000 a warm body in agency handling fees. Now would there?

*****SMILE*****

There isn't. The laws are that strict. The reality is that you don't have a leg to stand on other than you don't like it. That's fine but it's not a legit argument.

I disagree.

If you want to argue that Planned Parenthood is simply a health care provider and has nothing to do with abortions then they should distance themselves from said practices totally including the handling of fetal remains. The most they should be allowed is referring women who want/choose to get an abortion to a clinic that provides those services that has no actual connection to Planned Parenthood.

*****SMILE*****

Reproductive health. All aspects of it. They make referrals now. They don't need to "distance" themselves from it.

In what way is the handling of fetal tissue or abortions a part of reproductive health?

*****SMILE*****

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Faith-based organizations are providing abortions?

They are receiving tax payer funding.

So? I said "Abortions 'R' Us" could not take government funding. Fine for Planned Parenthood.

Are faith-based organizations providing abortions?

I'm not interested in them providing abortions. I'm interested in them taking tax dollars.

Why? Do you object to Planned Parenthood accepting tax-dollars too?

I object to tax dollars being provided to faith based organizations.

You forget that I'm all for defunding all non-profits and letting them run on charitable donations alone.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Chuz Life]

I have never met any "pro-abortion" people.

Imagine that.

..and here it says on your profile that you have been here since 2013.

Maybe you are talking about "pro-choice" people. I have never met anyone advocating that people should get abortions. Maybe we run in different crowds.

LINK: Search Results for Query: +"I am pro abortion" | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Calling pro-choice people "pro-abortion" is exactly the same thing as calling antiwar people "pro-surrender". You don't get to do that without being called down for it.

"Pro" is short for "proponent."

If you vote "pro" in favor of keeping abortions legal, you are "PRO" on abortion.

You can try to spin it and wiggle out of it, but the dictionary has it right.

A proponent by any other name is still a proponent.


proabortion

adjective
pro·abor·tion | \ (ˈ)prō-ə-ˈbȯr-shən \
Medical Definition of proabortion

: favoring the legalization of abortion

 

[JoeB131]

"Pro" is short for "proponent."

If you vote "pro" in favor of keeping abortions legal, you are "PRO" on abortion.

You can try to spin it and wiggle out of it, but the dictionary has it right.

A proponent by any other name is still a proponent.

No, that just means you are pro-legalization.

 

[NotYourBody]

The laws that allows abortion is sexist. The preborn baby is as much a part of the man as it is the woman. The woman is no more than a carrier of the preborn baby that the present law allows her to kill regardless of the man's wishes. If you place a fertilized egg in a woman and she carries it to full term and allows the baby to continue to live it will have no genetic comparison to the carrier therefore she is just a carrier.

The man takes none of the risks of pregnancy. His life is never in danger.

But I have an idea. If it is as much a part of the man as the woman, let him take on the pregnancy and allow him to have it implanted. It might be uncomfortable and a bit risky, but what pregnancy isn't?

What danger this is not 1920? The man can not carry a baby only pay for it if the woman chooses to allow the baby to live. The woman can not get pregnant without the sperm of a man which is something missed by many when they took biology in school.

Here's an idea. If a man doesn't want his offspring aborted, he shouldn't place his sperm in the body of a woman who doesn't want a child. Condoms are cheap.

Men need to control their sperm if they are concerned about abortion. Once they've placed it inside the woman's body, they no longer have control of the situation.