Zone1 Religious or not, Abortion is wrong because life starts at conception

[ding]

I don't believe it is, once the fetus develops beyond a certain point. I certainly don't support an abortion in the 9th month unless the death of the mother and/or baby are at issue.

At any point after fertilization has occurred, it is not property; it's a human being. Not a potential human being, a real living human being.

 

[ding]

Abortion is not a desirable option but it may be not be the worst option.

No one can predict the future.

 

[ding]

Life is rarely so black and white.

Agreed. So what? That does not excuse your dehumanization of human life so that you can kill it with a clear conscience. I think people should own it. If they can't own what they are doing, they probably shouldn't be doing it.

 

[alang1216]

Abortion literally ends a human life, not a potential human life; a real, living human being. How can you not know this?

We do lots of things that literally ends a human life, e.g., war, accidents, famine, and plague. Do we try and save all of these lives? Not even close. How can you not know this?

 

[alang1216]

Given that I believe abortion should be a Class "C" misdemeanor with no jail time, what do you think?

I thought Roe v Wade was a reasonable compromise.

 

[alang1216]

At any point after fertilization has occurred, it is not property; it's a human being. Not a potential human being, a real living human being.

A 'human being' absolutely dependent on another. It has rights but so do mothers have rights.

 

[alang1216]

No one can predict the future.

No one is perfect but yes people can predict the future. Doctors can often tell a mother is a fetus is likely to kill her. What would you have her do? Risk her life and everyone who depends on her?

 

[alang1216]

Agreed. So what? That does not excuse your dehumanization of human life so that you can kill it with a clear conscience. I think people should own it. If they can't own what they are doing, they probably shouldn't be doing it.

People often kill with regret. Ask most any soldier.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

000 89 ronaiwbl ~…~ Rev. James M. DiLuzio, CSP (A Catholic priest––not a formal Catholic Theologian, Ethicist, or Official Spokesman July 17, 2022 wrote …~… This last statement that the soul and material body are inseparable, makes the Catholic sensibility that God, The Creator, infuses the immortal soul as sperm and ovum together create a zygote more tenable. Of course, the moment of ensoulment is unverifiable.

ding wdyhwxyz00212 …~… At any point along the continuum from conception to death he or she is fully human and has the appropriate attributes he or she should have at that point in the life cycle. . …~… May 30, 2019

Whut I asked in aatidxyz00801 to wdyhwxyz00212 …~… Do you “ding” consider “when God infuses the immortal soul in the human person” to be a necessary attribute of a person? .

ding ronaiwbl00083 …~… Agreed. So what? That does not excuse your dehumanization of human life so that you can kill it with a clear conscience. I think people should own it. If they can't own what they are doing, they probably shouldn't be doing it. Post Apr 15, 2025

alang1216 ronaiwbl00088 to 83 …~… People often kill with regret. Ask most any soldier. …~… Post Apr 15, 2025

whut I say ronaiwbl00089 to 83 …~… a fetus can be killed ONLY by the EXPECTANT MOTHER with a clear conscience because as Rev. James M. DiLuzio provides us with this FACT … “the moment of ensoulment is unverifiable”. It is not for Saint Ding to decide if ensoulment happens before first breath.

lxxxix April 16, 2025 ding v slang

 

[whutTHEYsay]

000 90 ronaiwbl …~… Every mammal on earth, every living thing that reproduces sexually, in fact, has a unique DNA complement because of the random nature of parentage.

Cougarbear ronaiwbl00007 …~… “a person is their DNA.” …~… Post April 12, 2025

whut I say ronaiwbl00090 …~… My parents had unique dna same as every sexually reproducing animal does. But they were not animals because they had human bodies as far as I remember them that were animated by a spiritual soul,

What about your parents Saint Cougarbear? Did they only have dna without the advantages of a human soul That was made in the image of God??

xc April 16, 2025 whut v cougar

 

[whutTHEYsay]

That's a pretty disingenuous argument. The cells in your body are not a new genetically distinct human being.

The cells in my body merged with the spirit of God when I emerged from the darkness and I took my first breath on the day that I was born.

Prove me wrong with your DNA science

I am only using science to define when human life begins.

Even Adam did not become a living being until he received "the breath of life", according to the fairy tale that is.

 

[JGalt]

Check out these two answers. They are similar but one adds a bit to the reason when life begins. Thus, it's murder to kill the innocent life of an unborn child no matter at what stage. It's not religious to say conception is our beginning point of Human life. This also points out why we are free agents unto ourselves to choose good or evil. Our DNA is unique.

Absolutely life does begin at inception. There's a phenomenon known as the "zinc spark." When an egg is fertilized, it gives off a burst of light. This is thought to be the moment the soul enters the fertilized egg, which is now human.

The Astonishing Spark of Life: Does Conception Begin with a Flash of Light?

 

[initforme]

Leftist like Breeze won't take responsibilities for their actions. To them, it's always "The Devil made them do it."

Pro life means PRO contraception. You should be out there helping to promote the gift of contraception. It goes hand in hand with the pro life stance.

 

[Cougarbear]

Pro life means PRO contraception. You should be out there helping to promote the gift of contraception. It goes hand in hand with the pro life stance.

I choose to promote abstinence before marriage which does not include just living together.

 

[initforme]

I choose to promote abstinence before marriage which does not include just living together.

And contra ception should also be used during a normal healthy marriage. It is a part of a moral marriage. That's where you miss the boat. Marriage does NOT need to include procreation..

 

[Cougarbear]

And contra ception should also be used during a normal healthy marriage. It is a part of a moral marriage. That's where you miss the boat. Marriage does NOT need to include procreation..

Depends. If the couple are able to multiply and replenish the earth and do so safely (income has no standing) then the couple do have a moral responsibility to God to keep his commandment.

 

[ding]

We do lots of things that literally ends a human life, e.g., war, accidents, famine, and plague. Do we try and save all of these lives? Not even close. How can you not know this?

That's a pretty weak argument that leads to lots of slippery slopes, but the reality of this argument is that I'm not trying to prevent them, only to get people to admit what they are doing.

 

[ding]

I thought Roe v Wade was a reasonable compromise.

How so?

 

[ding]

A 'human being' absolutely dependent on another. It has rights but so do mothers have rights.

Yes, there are competing rights here. Although for the life of me I don't see why you would believe that since you seem to dismiss the humanity of lives inside of wombs. No humanness, no rights.

 

[ding]

No one is perfect but yes people can predict the future. Doctors can often tell a mother is a fetus is likely to kill her. What would you have her do? Risk her life and everyone who depends on her?

Did you already forget my position on abortion?

Given the complexity of the issue, my position is that abortion should be a misdemeanor with no jail time.