Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

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When the other person stops discussing the topic and starts making me the topic, that's when I know I've won.


Bored now. I win.

Pro tip: Next time, try telling me what you think more and what I think less.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that. My point is not specific to you. It's specific to everyone who fails to own what they support. Which as near as I can tell, they are unable to because they know what they support is wrong but can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Do you support the State dictating how every, mindless, microscopic amalgam of cells in a womb must be treated, or do you respect an American's right to control her own womb in such cases?

You appear to not understand the difference between the cells of a woman and the cells of the zygote. They are different genetically. hell, that's why there's so much protection biologically inside the woman. If there wasn't, the woman's immune system would kill the zygote because it would be seen as a foreign invader.

So, I'm going to need you to answer to that before we go any further. Do you understand the difference? It doesn't appear that you do.

 

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Bored now. I win.

I win every time you dehumanize human life. My mission is to make people like you either dehumanize human life or own it. I don't really care which they do.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Ah... The excuse treadmill ... It's different when you do it. Carry on.

No, just like food, you pick what's good and what's bad. You keep going 100% or 0%. We decide where we need government. You Democrats seems to think it solves all problems, but it doesn't. It's easily manipulated, inefficient, etc. Other institutions are far more effective than government for most things.

I know you would.

It's creepy that you think it'd be wrong for the government to intrude to protect human life.

If a parent is murdering their children, you wouldn't want the government to "INTRUDE" into the home?

 

[schmidlap]

If a State were to regard every microscopic, mindless cellular entity in a womb as a person, let the state seize it and take it into protective custody whenever an American regards such a microscopic, mindless entity within her womb as her concern, subject to her moral values, and in consultation with trusted loved ones, and medical and spiritual advisers, rather than impersonal bureaucrats.

Gestational viability is inescapable for anyone who would presume to dictate to everyone in the matter.

 

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... It's creepy that you think it'd be wrong for the government to intrude to protect human life.

Every skin cell is "human life."

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Every skin cell is "human life."

Well then go start trying to arrest people for scratching their arms and killing skin cells.

You won't, because that's one of the dumbest things uttered on here in a long time, and that's saying something.

 

[Eman623]

Pure Democracy IS mob rule. That's why it's immoral. That's why we don't live in a pure democracy, we live in constitutional republic.

It is.

If 75% of Americans wake up one day and think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are BS... and they then vote in politicians who encourage this, they throw out the Constitution and make up "rights" that contradict the Bill of Rights, you'd have to support that. So, if that included saying it's okay to kill someone who you don't like.. if 75% of Americans said "we think it should be legal to kill people we don't like".. your logic supports it. Mine does not.

That's why yours is immoral.

I'll take all people deciding (aka democracy) over you telling everyone what is moral any day of the week.

 

[Eman623]

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that. My point is not specific to you. It's specific to everyone who fails to own what they support. Which as near as I can tell, they are unable to because they know what they support is wrong but can't bring themselves to admit it.

No one thinks what they support is wrong. If they did, they wouldn't support it.

And no one is ever going to take your opinions what is wrong as their own. No more than you would take anyone else's.

You are projecting your own ideas of right and wrong on everyone else and then whining that they, "can't even see why this is wrong!". It just doesn't work that way.

 

[Eman623]

I win every time you dehumanize human life. My mission is to make people like you either dehumanize human life or own it. I don't really care which they do.

Okay. Hope that works out for you.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I'll take all the people deciding (democracy) over you telling everyone what is moral any day of the week.

Wow. So if 99 people wanted to murder 1, you’d jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Eman623]

Wow. So if 99 people wanted to murder 1, you’d jump on the bandwagon.

I would not. But if my choice is 99 deciding to murder someone or handing the decision over to you, then I'll take the first option. Because who knows what you'll start deciding once you have the power.

 

[schmidlap]

Well then go start trying to arrest people for scratching their arms and killing skin cells.

You won't, because that's one of the dumbest things uttered on here in a long time, and that's saying something.

You are not able to refute the point that "human life" even "unique human life" is not the determinative regarding the propriety of State intrusion into a womb.

• Majorities of both women (64%) and men (61%) express support for legal abortion.

A state should not violate a woman's freedom before the gestational viability of a fetus is achieved.

 

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No one thinks what they support is wrong. If they did, they wouldn't support it.

That's not true. I believe it is wrong to kill, yet I eat animal flesh. I don't justify it as good and moral because it's not. I freely admit I do it for selfish reasons. It's called free will. I have a choice. What I don't have a choice in is denying reality. I don't need to pretend I'm being good when I'm not. That would be the worst thing I could do.

 

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And no one is ever going to take your opinions what is wrong as their own. No more than you would take anyone else's.

I couldn't care less. My obligation to truth is satisfied when I state the truth. What others do is up to them. But no, I'm all about discovering truth, so I will absolutely change my mind when someone else helps me discover it.

You are projecting your own ideas of right and wrong on everyone else and then whining that they, "can't even see why this is wrong!". It just doesn't work that way.

I don't believe I am projecting my own ideas of right and wrong on everyone else. If it were up to me abortion would be a class "C" misdemeanor with no jail time and only a small fine... like speeding ticket.

What I am doing is exposing the incongruity of people who dehumanize human life so that it's easier to end those lives. It's no different than what certain classes of people have done to certain other classes of people. It's real easy to treat people poorly when you see them as less than people.

So I don't really care if I change your mind or the mind of anyone else that defends abortion as good or moral. Just like I don't care if I change anyone's mind that eating animal flesh isn't good or moral. Just don't expect me to ignore your incongruity that you have to justify abortion because it's ok to kill them because they aren't really a person yet.

 

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Okay. Hope that works out for you.

It has so far.

 

[Robert W]

I couldn't care less. My obligation to truth is satisfied when I state the truth. What others do is up to them. But no, I'm all about discovering truth, so I will absolutely change my mind when someone else helps me discover it.

I don't believe I am projecting my own ideas of right and wrong on everyone else. If it were up to me abortion would be a class "C" misdemeanor with no jail time and only a small fine... like speeding ticket.

What I am doing is exposing the incongruity of people who dehumanize human life so that it's easier to end those lives. It's no different than what any other class of people has done to other classes of people. It's real easy to treat people poorly when you see them as less than people.

So I don't really care if I change your mind or the mind of anyone else that defends abortion as good or moral. Just like I don't care if I change anyone's mind that eating animal flesh isn't good or moral. Just don't expect me to ignore your incongruity that you have to justify abortion because it's ok to kill them because they aren't really a person yet.

I side with you except I care enough I keep trying to cause their common sense to show up.

 

[Robert W]

You are not able to refute the point that "human life" even "unique human life" is not the determinative regarding the propriety of State intrusion into a womb.

• Majorities of both women (64%) and men (61%) express support for legal abortion.

A state should not violate a woman's freedom before the gestational viability of a fetus is achieved.

Here is what is so weird about Democrats. They want to completely rule the United States but pretend it excludes women.

 

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I side with you except I care enough I keep trying to cause their common sense to show up.

At the end of the day there are real live people struggling with these decisions. I'm not a fan of beating up on them. I hope you aren't too. But I think it is important to make informed choices. And choosing to have an abortion because some idiot has convinced them that it's only a clump of tissue or it's not a real person is not doing them any good. It's horseshit and I hope there's a special hell for people who provide false information to those women who are struggling to make their choice.

 

[schmidlap]

I side with you except I care enough I keep trying to cause their common sense to show up.

Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador have complete abortion bans.

Americans are not about to surrender to such oppressive statism.

Global progress has occurred in most advanced nations.