Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[Hafar1014]

That's not true. DNA identifies specific human beings. It's the characteristics of life that define when human life begins. Would you like to re-write that too? Why do you believe that every embryology textbook states that human life begins at conception?

It doesnt matter when human life begins. What matters are the circumstances it exists in.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

But still human thats the point its simply a twin

So a twin can kill the other twin and it's fine?

 

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It doesnt matter when human life begins. What matters are the circumstances it exists in.

Actually it does matter when human life begins. The only people it doesn't matter to are the ones who want to end it without owning what they are doing.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

It doesnt matter when human life begins. What matters are the circumstances it exists in.

That's exactly what Hitler, Stalin, or any murderous tyrant rationalizes.

If life is inconvenient, it's expendable.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually it does matter when human life begins. The only people it doesn't matter to are the ones who want to end it without owing what they are doing.

Abortion is legal and morral under certain circumstances. It doesnt matter when it begins. Killing is legal and moral under certain circumstances it doesnt matter when it begins.

 

[Hafar1014]

That's exactly what Hitler, Stalin, or any murderous tyrant rationalizes.

If life is inconvenient, it's expendable.

Killing to stop a kidnapping, rape, home invasion. attack with a weapon, or to stop an imminent threat to serious bodily harm or death is not murder.

 

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Abortion is legal and morral under certain circumstances. It doesnt matter when it begins. Killing is legal and moral under certain circumstances it doesnt matter when it begins.

If it didn't matter when life begins then people wouldn't keep dehumanizing it.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually it does matter when human life begins. The only people it doesn't matter to are the ones who want to end it without owing what they are doing.

Killing to stop a rape ,kidnapping, home invasion, attack that creates an imminent threat to serious bodily injury or death is no murder immoral or wrong in any way. Allowing it to happen is immoral. It doesnt matter when that life begins my life matters more. Thats the law
What if a human with a gun breaks into my house can I kill him? Does he have a universal right to live

 

[Hafar1014]

If it didn't matter when life begins then people wouldn't keep dehumanizing it.

You have done that reducing it to cell with no context or circumstances. What if a human life threatens my life

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Killing to stop a kidnapping, rape, home invasion. attack with a weapon, or to stop an imminent threat to serious bodily harm or death is not murder.

Agreed.

But You said it's not about when life exists, but the context of it. That's a slippery slope. Who ultimately decides?

That's why the right to life as far as existence is protected by a higher power than man. Because when man gets power, they use it immorally. The founders of our nation knew this, they'd read history books and seen it happen. The left calls themselves "progressives" but are just the latest tyrants in history who want to impose themselves on others.

 

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Killing to stop a rape ,kidnapping, home invasion, attack that creates an imminent threat to serious bodily injury or death is no murder immoral or wrong in any way. Allowing it to happen is immoral. It doesnt matter when that life begins my life matters more. Thats the law
What if a human with a gun breaks into my house can I kill him? Does he have a universal right to live

If it didn't matter when life begins then people wouldn't keep dehumanizing it.

 

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You have done that reducing it to cell with no context or circumstances. What if a human life threatens my life

Incorrect. At every point along the continuum it is fully human possessing the appropriate attributes for that stage of the human life cycle which begins at conception and ends at death.

If you are threatened and have to take a life I would hope you would feel bad about it rather than justifying it as good and moral.

 

[Eman623]

Dead end.

Did you abort it?

More like an accidental miscarriage. Let's try that again.

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[Eman623]

person: a human being regarded as an individual.

That is one definition. Of course it is not the only one.

 

[Eman623]

Word games to make you feel better. This "non-person" that is a human being is genetically distinct. Never before has a PERSON existed with this genetic sequence. Never again will a PERSON with this genetic sequence exist. It's a one shot deal.

As if you do not play word games to make you feel better about your position.

 

[Eman623]

Ah, the "it's a life but not a person" argument. I wouldn't go down that road.. because you have a crazy time trying to describe what "personhood" is, and you'd have to agree to a lot of other situations where you can just murder people that fall into your preferential catagory

No one is asking you to go down that road. It does not follow naturally that if you believe a newly fertilized ovum is not a person then you will inevitably be gassing born and raised adult people and shoving them into ovens.

This kind of ludicrous slippery slope argument in unconvincing.

 

[Eman623]

Psychopaths who commit horrible crimes sleep just fine as well. Just because you're comfortable with it doesn't make it moral, just saying.

I can only hope you are not suggesting that anyone who is not 100% pro-life is a psychopath.

My position is completely moral and justifiable and non-psychopathic. In fact, my position is the majority one. The fringes on both sides are the minority.

 

[dblack]

You probably want a procreation tax, a breeders fee, carbon tax, etc. LOL.

Nope. I'm mocking that kind of intrusive government. I'm particularly mocking Republicans, because they pretend to oppose that crap. But they don't.

 

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That is one definition. Of course it is not the only one.

It's the essence of the word "person." "Human being" connotates a non-specific "person." "Person" connotates a specific "human being."

 

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As if you do not play word games to make you feel better about your position.

How so?