Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

My answer is not “no”. so I did not avoid it. I understand that religious zealotry does not allow for the superior right to life of an already born person when the born person has a new life inside her.
**** "God" and religion.

I don't give a flying **** about "religion."

Some do, I get it, but I am not one of THEM.

The Constitution is the law of this land and that I do care about.

The Constitution says that "all persons are entitled to the equal protections of our laws."

No ******* religion is needed or required.
 
Why don't you tell me what your cherry picked definition of a "natural person" is?
Because it will mean a lot more to you, if and when you discover it for yourself.

That's why.
 
I'm not religious so none of that gibberish applies to me.
I'm not religious so none of that gibberish applies to me.
Then on what “authority” do you believe the sanctity of life begins at conception. Why are you right and Melania Trump is wrong.
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That fallacy is called "appeal to ridicule."
I ridicule it because it's ridiculous.

If you have your own cherry picked definition for "natural person", present it here. Otherwise we're done.
 
I ridicule it because it's ridiculous.

If you have your own cherry picked definition for "natural person", present it here. Otherwise we're done.
I don't cherry pick definitions.

I don't have any need to.

Like I said, definitions are not mutually exclusive of one another.

If you don't want to quote or use the most inclusive, broad definition for what a "natural person" is. . . . and you don't want to explain why you think that definition does not or should not include any human beings who are only in the first days of their life, growth and development?

That's entirely up to you.

Open minded, intellectually honest people (who look it up for themselves) will see that it does include all human beings - regardless of their age, size, location, level of development, inconvenience or even viability..
 
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Actually, lots of losers (unborn children).
However, I think it's, sadly, the best solution at this time.
I can think of a better solution. It's the woman's body right up until it is someone else's body too.

And to keep it just the woman's body, the woman has a choice of easy, effective, preventive remedies. IUD's, condoms, A BIRTH CONTROL PILL. < It's name is actually what it does! For rape, there is the morning after pill. All easier than a medical procedure to kill the baby. If you invite a being into your womb, out of sheer neglect, then you shouldn't have the right to kill it.

In Minnesota, they can slit a full term baby's spinal cord while it is being born. Then carve it up for parts. No one should have the right to do that...
 
I don't cherry pick definitions.

I don't have any need to.

Like I said, definitions are not mutually exclusive of one another.

If you don't want to quote or use the most inclusive, broad definition for what a "natural person" is. . . . and you don't want to explain why you think that definition does not or should not include any human beings who are only in the first days of their life, growth and development?
Different definitions of the same term are absolutely mutually exclusive of one another. You literally just argued that point to me when you commanded me to find (and I quote) "the most inclusive and basic definition for what a "natural person" is"!

And if there are different definitions, then why should I look it up? How will I know I've got the cherry picked one you have in mind?

"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?" :laughing0301:

That's entirely up to you.

Open minded, intellectually honest people (who look it up for themselves) will see that it does include all human beings - regardless of their age, size, location, level of development, inconvenience or even viability..
Lazy posters expect others to do their arguing for them. In any case, "I don't care about "natural human". I care about "person" and "child".

Bored now.

I'm going to talk to the posters who take the time to define their terms. Even if they are cherry picked and we do not agree, at least there is a frame of reference.
 
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Different definitions of the same term are absolutely mutually exclusive of one another. You literally just argued that point to me when you commanded me to find (and I quote) "the most inclusive and basic definition for what a "natural person" is"!

And if there are different definitions, then why should I look it up? How will I know I've got the cherry picked one you have in mind?

"Why don't you just tell me the name of the movie you selected?" :laughing0301:


Lazy posters expect others to do their arguing for them. In any case, "I don't care about "natural human". I care about "person" and "child".

Bored now.

I'm going to talk to the posters who take the time to define their terms. Even if they are cherry picked and we do not agree, at least there is a frame of reference.
Natural "human?"

I never said "natural human."

I asked you to find and share the most inclusive definition for what a natural person is and then explain why you think that definition might exclude a child that is only in its first stages of life, growth and development.

Interesting that you can't and won't do that.
 
I can think of a better solution. It's the woman's body right up until it is someone else's body too.

And to keep it just the woman's body, the woman has a choice of easy, effective, preventive remedies. IUD's, condoms, A BIRTH CONTROL PILL. < It's name is actually what it does! For rape, there is the morning after pill. All easier than a medical procedure to kill the baby. If you invite a being into your womb, out of sheer neglect, then you shouldn't have the right to kill it.

In Minnesota, they can slit a full term baby's spinal cord while it is being born. Then carve it up for parts. No one should have the right to do that...
The mental midgets can't even grasp the fact that the women whose rights they insist they are defending was also once inside the body of her own mother.

They claim to be of the mindset of "her body her choice" but they don't think a woman's right to her body should begin when "her body" does.
 
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Natural "human?"

I never said "natural human."

I asked you to find and share the most inclusive definition for what a natural person is and then explain why you think that definition might exclude a child that is only in its first stages of life, growth and development.

Interesting that you can't and won't do that.
My bad. I stopped giving a **** when you decided to stop being an honest poster.

Since you "can't and won't" define your terms we're done. Have a great weekend.
 
My bad. I stopped giving a **** when you decided to stop being an honest poster.

Since you "can't and won't" define your terms we're done. Have a great weekend.
You looked it up.

Dint cha.
 
So, if your answer is no (i.e. you do NOT think a person's rights should begin when their life does), just say it.

Why avoid it?

Just because some (even a majority) might have the same opinion, that doesn't make it "true."

It especially doesn't make it "logical."

Again, their "privileges" begin when society agrees they should. No one wants to give human rights to zygotes. This is why when someone realized that the new abortion laws in some of the Jesusland states could potentially ban in vitro fertilization, everyone rushed to make sure that didn't happen.

But by your dubious logic, every zygote would be a person, and in vitro fertilization should be banned, because it has created a million embryos that will never be implanted inside a woman. (Because they are spares and the woman already got what she wanted.)

Was your right to live and your right to defend yourself, to defend your loved ones, and even your neighbors a right that was "given" to you by the government or society, Joe?

Am I wrong when I declare that my rights (as acknowledged (not given) in the Constitution) are inherent?

Pretty much. Originally, in the Constitution, you only had "rights" if you were born as a white male. If you were black, native American, or a woman, you didn't have 'rights', and you barely had privileges. Don't get fond of your kids, slaves, I might need to sell them to make a quick buck. Hey, Chief Running Gag, we want your land, so we're going to slaughter your tribe despite having a treaty with your nation.

Now, conversely, before 1919, you had the right to get shitfaced on alcohol, before the moral scolds decided that wasn't good anymore, and tricked the country into passing the 18th Amendment. But bit of a problem there, people decided they still wanted to get shitfaced, Al Capone made a bunch of money, and eventually, they had to admit defeat with the 21st Amendment.

Which brings me back to my original point. The reason why abortion laws didn't work back before 1973 was that most people didn't think Globby was more important than the woman he was inside. So women quietly had abortions with a discreet provider, family members, even the really religious ones, didn't turn their relatives in when they did it. In fact, the only time someone was prosecuted for performing abortions was if they were sloppy at it, and injured the woman in the process.

By 1972, even that stopped being much of an issue, as only 36 women were reported to have died from illegal septic abortions. (In that same year, 22 women died of septic abortions in states where it was legal.)
 
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" Anthropocentric Psychosis Of Denying A Literal Meaning For An After Life "

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**** "God" and religion.
I don't give a flying **** about "religion."
Some do, I get it, but I am not one of THEM.
The Constitution is the law of this land and that I do care about.
The Constitution says that "all persons are entitled to the equal protections of our laws."
No ******* religion is needed or required.
The enumerated rite to equal protection with a us citizen includes a live birth requirement , as birth is a non incidental requirement to become a us citizen in a us state and in us federate .

As a zef has not completed a live birth requirement , it is without constitutional protection and private property of the mother , where any perceived offences against a zef are actually offenses against the mother , and penalties should be commensurate with the offense .

As equitable doctrine requires removing a rite to life to have ones own rite to life removed , such is why fetal protection laws could not apply capital punishment of death , as a live birth is required for equal protections .
 
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