Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[Mr. Friscus]

A child isn't a child until a birth certificate is issued.

you can be charged with double homicide on a pregnant woman.

Fetuses aren't counted on the Census and they aren't allowed as tax dependents.

So those are your standards for allowing people to not be purposefully killed? Wow.

Oh, I agree, both are cases where an outside means are required to sustain life, which is why ventilators are turned off all the time.

Not against the will of the patient. So you’re okay with killing someone on a ventilator even if they didn’t want it?

And a woman has a right to turn off her life support system to an unwanted parasite.

If you want to hate life, just go do it by yourself in the corner and let us who want to maintain society do the big boy stuff.

 

[JoeB131]

you can be charged with double homicide on a pregnant woman.

Yes, that very stupid law is on the books.

So those are your standards for allowing people to not be purposefully killed? Wow.

Fetuses aren't people. People get birth certificates.

Not against the will of the patient. So you’re okay with killing someone on a ventilator even if they didn’t want it?

Actually, that decision is usually made by the next of kin. And they usually shut off the ventilator when big insurance stops paying for it.

If you want to hate life, just go do it by yourself in the corner and let us who want to maintain society do the big boy stuff.

I love life. It's why I don't want to see women maimed in the back-alley abortions you want us to go back to.

Fetuses aren't people. Women who want abortions will get them no matter what the law is.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Yes, that very stupid law is on the books.




Fetuses aren't people. People get birth certificates.



Actually, that decision is usually made by the next of kin. And they usually shut off the ventilator when big insurance stops paying for it.


I love life. It's why I don't want to see women maimed in the back-alley abortions you want us to go back to.

Fetuses aren't people. Women who want abortions will get them no matter what the law is.

Well let’s review your “Okay to kill” list:
1. Someone without a birth certificate
2. An 8 month fetus
3. A person on a ventilator who has it written in their will they don’t want to be killed
4. People who aren’t counted on the census and aren’t tax dependents

Anyone else you want to murder?

 

[ding]

Except we mold the science like putty in our hands now.

In 100 years, all babies will probably be gene edited in a lab.



Never had an abortion. Never facilitated one, and for the first half of my life, was anti-Abortion.

Then I realized abortion was a bullshit issue used by the rich to get stupid people to vote against your own economic interests.

It's funny you wouldn't support abortion if you believe it ended a human life.

 

[Chuz Life]

Well let’s review your “Okay to kill” list:
1. Someone without a birth certificate
2. An 8 month fetus
3. A person on a ventilator who has it written in their will they don’t want to be killed
4. People who aren’t counted on the census and aren’t tax dependents

Anyone else you want to murder?

Oh, I'm pretty sure some of us are on Joey's list, too.

 

[Chuz Life]

You haven't offered any "proof", other than your wishful thinking.

A child isn't a child until a birth certificate is issued. The state does not issue death certificates for abortions or miscarriages before 20 weeks. Fetuses aren't counted on the Census and they aren't allowed as tax dependents.

CDZ Thread 'POLL: An Abortion Kills a Child'

May 26, 2020

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4. Posts and responses are asked to be confined to the subject of this OP. "Does and abortion kill a child, or not?"
5. For Reference, this thread and poll is in reference to abortions and the biology of HUMAN beings, only.
6. This thread is NOT about whether or not abortions "SHOULD" be legal or illegal. It is ONLY about whether or not an abortion kills a child.

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Fetuses still aren't children
Embryos at the IVF clinic aren't children.
Zygotes heading towards the exit aren't children.

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• Chuz Life

How about I revisit the AI links and share your rebuttal? Want to predict the response, Joey?

 

[Chuz Life]

It's funny you wouldn't support abortion if you believe it ended a human life.

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I know I should just keep him on ignore. . . but he makes such a great foil.

The strangest thing is how we never see any of the more reasonable abortion proponents calling out the idiots on their side of the issue.

 

[Delldude]

How about I revisit the AI links and share your rebuttal? Want to predict the response, Joey?

He doesn't like AI, too many times his claims turned into BS with AI.

 

[Chuz Life]

He doesn't like AI, too many times his claims turned into BS with AI.

I'm skeptical of AI, myself, but to answer a simple biology question, there is no reason it can't be used for that.

And I used not one but four or five COMPETING AI's and still got the same answer from all of them.

 

[JoeB131]

Well let’s review your “Okay to kill” list:
1. Someone without a birth certificate
2. An 8 month fetus
3. A person on a ventilator who has it written in their will they don’t want to be killed
4. People who aren’t counted on the census and aren’t tax dependents

Anyone else you want to murder?

I can tell when you are losing an argument when you become disingenous.

It's funny you wouldn't support abortion if you believe it ended a human life.

Naw, I'm all for abortion because it pisses off the religious assholes. That makes it totally worth it.

Beyond that, I really don't care if you want to give Globby more rights than the woman it's inside. As a practical matter, if she wants Globby out, Globby is going out.

How about I revisit the AI links and share your rebuttal? Want to predict the response, Joey?

If you need AI to make your limp arguments, you probably should find a different hobby.

I know I should just keep him on ignore. . . but he makes such a great foil.

The strangest thing is how we never see any of the more reasonable abortion proponents calling out the idiots on their side of the issue.

What constitutes a reasonable abortion proponent to you? (This should be good for a laugh.)

And I used not one but four or five COMPETING AI's and still got the same answer from all of them.

Which is why I don't use AI, it's garbage

 

[ding]

Naw, I'm all for abortion because it pisses off the religious assholes. That makes it totally worth it.

Beyond that, I really don't care if you want to give Globby more rights than the woman it's inside. As a practical matter, if she wants Globby out, Globby is going out.

Your need to see it as "a lump of tissue" says otherwise.

 

[JoeB131]

Your need to see it as "a lump of tissue" says otherwise.

Um, you mean an accurate description?

Here's the problem, you can pontificate on the "Sanctity of life" all day, but at the end of the day, this is the one area where women really do have the power.

A bunch of dudes coming on a message board and arguing about what a woman should or shouldn't be able to do with her own body is a bit silly.

 

[ding]

Um, you mean an accurate description?

Here's the problem, you can pontificate on the "Sanctity of life" all day, but at the end of the day, this is the one area where women really do have the power.

A bunch of dudes coming on a message board and arguing about what a woman should or shouldn't be able to do with her own body is a bit silly.

Like I said, if you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said, if you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

I think you've lost track of your own argument.

A lump of tissue is less valuable than a full-grown woman.

Now, hey, if she is willing to make that sacrifice to be a mom, more power to her.

But some women aren't.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I can tell when you are losing an argument when you become disingenous.

You cited all of those as reasons you can kill someone. If you want to clarify things, perhaps be more careful with your words?

Naw, I'm all for abortion because it pisses off the religious assholes. That makes it totally worth it.

Well then no reason to discuss it further, you don’t even believe what you’re trying to argue

 

[JoeB131]

You cited all of those as reasons you can kill someone.

No, you are being disingenous... probably because you know you really don't have an argument beyond your rank misogyny.

If you want to clarify things, perhaps be more careful with your words?

Nope, my words were pretty clear, but again, when you are a dishonest misogynist trying to cloak his anger at women in virtue-signalling, this is what you end up with.

Well then no reason to discuss it further, you don’t even believe what you’re trying to argue

I firmly believe a woman has a right to choose.

 

[ding]

I think you've lost track of your own argument.

A lump of tissue is less valuable than a full-grown woman.

Now, hey, if she is willing to make that sacrifice to be a mom, more power to her.

But some women aren't.

Like I said, if you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said, if you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

That's bizarre logic.

I know that a fetus is an unviable lump of tissue.
I know a woman has the legal right to terminate it at any time she wants.
I know that the religious right has only adopted this issue because Segregation stopped being popular.
I know that the rich keep this issue alive to keep people like you angry and voting against your own economic interests.

I have a pretty good bead on the world. You apparently don't. I get it, all that Catholic Brainwashing can have an effect on the mind.

 

[ding]

That's bizarre logic.

I know that a fetus is an unviable lump of tissue.
I know a woman has the legal right to terminate it at any time she wants.
I know that the religious right has only adopted this issue because Segregation stopped being popular.
I know that the rich keep this issue alive to keep people like you angry and voting against your own economic interests.

I have a pretty good bead on the world. You apparently don't. I get it, all that Catholic Brainwashing can have an effect on the mind.

If you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

 

[JoeB131]

If you didn't believe it was "a lump of tissue," you wouldn't support it.

That's bizarre reasoning.

I support it because I know outlawing it would be impractical.

Because I think live women are more important than clumps of tissue.

And because it has the added bonus of pissing off the religious jerks.