Abolish both parties and start afresh

[Mac1958]

Why Can't This be done

Holy shit, I wish it could. And the process could include debates first, with two or three more parties, so that people could have a real choice.

All the zealots could obediently clump back together into their little tribes, but the rest of us might be able to dilute the power they have now, if people could be offered real alternatives.

Pipe dream. A nice pipe dream, but a pipe dream nonetheless.
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[The Sage of Main Street]

Why Can't This be done

Because it would be unconstitutional.

The Founding Fodder Gave Us Oats, Not Votes

The Constitution is what created this bossy and bickering oligarchy.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why Can't This be done

Well, let me put it this way:

How could you possibly do it?

Ponder that question, and the "why can't it" will become obvious.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You can abolish the parties but the same people will still be there.

Which is what they need to do.

For example, the term socialist fell out of favor so they changed to liberals. Then liberals fell out of favor and they became Progressive. I have no idea what the next term will be but they need to think of one fast!

Never ceases to amaze how a message board that's supposed to be about politics draws flies from the black hole of Political Science Ignorance. SMH

Nothing was "changed to Liberals". Liberals were those who wrote the Constitution and set up this whole great experiment. We were here from the beginning; nothing needed to be 'renamed'.

"Progressives" were a socio-political movement having little or nothing to do with that, and they were here and gone roughly a hundred years ago.

Socialism was another economic-political influence contemporary with Progressives which outlasted them and remains an ingredient of governmental structure to various degrees including e.g. the fire department that douses your house when it ignites, for the common good.

--- None of which have anything to do with political parties. All of the above have been associated with either Duopoly party and with no party at all.

A political party, after all, doesn't function as a repository for a philosophy. It's simply a machine to consolidate power. That's it. And it will do that using whatever ideological approach works for that time and place.

Political parties: political ideologies. Know the difference.

You are correct, consolidating power is the key.

It is all about collectivism and power. It just so happens that the elements of socialism are the most beneficial to accomplish this task.

Communism Is State Capitalism, Capitalism Is Communism for the Rich

Capitalism is collectivist. The employees create the revenue and the owners collect it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Government can’t ‘abolish’ political parties but there’s nothing stopping private citizens from refusing to support both major parties and refusing to vote for their candidates.

The two major parties are a problem the people alone created, and only the people can solve that problem they created.

and yet you always support one of those parties no matter what the hell they do or say....right jones?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

You can abolish the parties but the same people will still be there.

Which is what they need to do.

For example, the term socialist fell out of favor so they changed to liberals. Then liberals fell out of favor and they became Progressive. I have no idea what the next term will be but they need to think of one fast!

WAIT!! there is good news
h by Nicholas Kamm / AFP / Getty

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump is “scared to death” that the 2020 Presidential election will be decided by Americans, an aide to Trump has confirmed.

The aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Trump is panicking over a doomsday scenario in which Americans, sidelined during the 2016 election, play a dominant role in influencing the 2020 contest.

“It sounds paranoid, but, as we speak, representatives of the United States are already plotting to remove him from office in 2020,” the aide said. “They are determined to replace him with someone who takes a move favorable view toward their country.”


The aide said that the Americans, frustrated by Trump’s open hostility to the United States since taking office, will “stop at nothing” to achieve their ultimate goal: installing an agent of the U.S. in the Oval Office.

“It’s pretty clear what the Americans are up to,” the aide said. “They want a puppet who will do the bidding of the United States of America.”

While Trump has reportedly ordered his staff to do everything in its power to prevent Americans from meddling in the 2020 election, the prospect of U.S. nationals deciding the next Presidential race has clearly left the White House rattled.

“Americans are going to use voter registration, social media, and anything else at their disposal to hand the election to someone who will advance their interests,” he said. “That’s what keeps Trump up at night.”

was this that "aide" ed?....

 

[Cecilie1200]

If it were up to me a political party should be chartered, like a corporation, for a finite and nonrenewable period of twenty years. Once that term is up, you're history. Whether you've accomplished your goals or not.

After about that much time any ideology that purportedly birthed the party goes by the wayside and its entire purpose becomes self-perpetuation. Acquiring power for its own sake.

Yeah, there's just one little flaw in that plan. It's called the First Amendment to the Constitution. And I quote: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Basically, you have no legal right to "abolish" any private group which people wish to voluntarily form up into.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Abolish the concept of parties.

How?

Make contributions to collective political entities illegal. Contributions to individual candidates only.

Defund party politics.

So now you're going to tell people what they can and can't freely give their own, privately-owned money to?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Abolish the concept of parties.

How?

Make contributions to collective political entities illegal. Contributions to individual candidates only.

Defund party politics.

They'll still form parties, they just won't call them parties. Or they'll do it in secrecy. You can't stop them from working together to achieve their objectives.

Which. Is why I said political entities, not parties.

Making contributions to any collective entities that endorse candidates illegal defunds those collectives.

They either can’t legally use donations to fund races and if they do it illegally they risk their candidates becoming ineligible by way or criminal activities.

Either way, the powers of the parties, which come down to money, is severely diminished.

Are you at all aware that it is not only Unconstitutional, but immoral, for you to try to tell me what I can and can't give my money to?

The problem here is that people aren't thinking and behaving the way you think they should, and you're wanting to pass laws to force people to toe your personal "desirable actions" line.

Not enough "**** you" in the world for that, Il Duce. Piss off.

 

[MaryL]

Really not much to be said, let's end this farce. I am channeling Bernie Mac: "America, you know what to do".

 

[Cecilie1200]

Government can’t ‘abolish’ political parties but there’s nothing stopping private citizens from refusing to support both major parties and refusing to vote for their candidates.

The two major parties are a problem the people alone created, and only the people can solve that problem they created.

Much as it disgusts me to do so, on the rare occasion that you are right, I must acknowledge it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The founders would have exiled both of our parties....or hanged them.

yep....

 

[deanrd]

Why Can't This be done

The white Republicans will still be white and still hate minorities.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There's a few liberals on USMB, the rest are leftist shills.

Pogo is a leftist shill.

Link?

naw...ive seen pogo say shit about democrats before....

 

[whitehall]

You don't know why "both political parties" can't be abolished? Think about it.

 

[Pogo]

If it were up to me a political party should be chartered, like a corporation, for a finite and nonrenewable period of twenty years. Once that term is up, you're history. Whether you've accomplished your goals or not.

After about that much time any ideology that purportedly birthed the party goes by the wayside and its entire purpose becomes self-perpetuation. Acquiring power for its own sake.

Yeah, there's just one little flaw in that plan. It's called the First Amendment to the Constitution. And I quote: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Basically, you have no legal right to "abolish" any private group which people wish to voluntarily form up into.

The right of the people peaceably to assemble in no way requires a political party.
Checkmate.

 

[Votto]

You can abolish the parties but the same people will still be there.

Which is what they need to do.

For example, the term socialist fell out of favor so they changed to liberals. Then liberals fell out of favor and they became Progressive. I have no idea what the next term will be but they need to think of one fast!

Never ceases to amaze how a message board that's supposed to be about politics draws flies from the black hole of Political Science Ignorance. SMH

Nothing was "changed to Liberals". Liberals were those who wrote the Constitution and set up this whole great experiment. We were here from the beginning; nothing needed to be 'renamed'.

"Progressives" were a socio-political movement having little or nothing to do with that, and they were here and gone roughly a hundred years ago.

Socialism was another economic-political influence contemporary with Progressives which outlasted them and remains an ingredient of governmental structure to various degrees including e.g. the fire department that douses your house when it ignites, for the common good.

--- None of which have anything to do with political parties. All of the above have been associated with either Duopoly party and with no party at all.

A political party, after all, doesn't function as a repository for a philosophy. It's simply a machine to consolidate power. That's it. And it will do that using whatever ideological approach works for that time and place.

Political parties: political ideologies. Know the difference.

You are correct, consolidating power is the key.

It is all about collectivism and power. It just so happens that the elements of socialism are the most beneficial to accomplish this task.

Communism Is State Capitalism, Capitalism Is Communism for the Rich

Capitalism is collectivist. The employees create the revenue and the owners collect it.

If it were not for the corporations in the US, those in Washington would not get funded.

Just like Trump, they give money to the entire Swamp.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why Can't This be done

The white Republicans will still be white and still hate minorities.

here is an example of a leftist shill.....

 

[Pogo]

There's a few liberals on USMB, the rest are leftist shills.

Pogo is a leftist shill.

Link?

naw...ive seen pogo say shit about democrats before....

He just trollin'. It's all he does. When I asked him for evidence all he had was a gif talkin' 'bout "deez nutz". It's the state of his intellect.

 

[Moonglow]

Why Can't This be done

The white Republicans will still be white and still hate minorities.

here is an example of a leftist shill.....

What about those that tan?