Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[SAYIT]

The Palestinians aren't " offering " anything . Israel was created thanks to the UN . " Palestine" was never a Country; It was a territory . However , the " 67 Borders" aren't enough. The Pigs want more . It's their goal to eventually annex Israel to " Palestine" which is why they refuse to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish State.

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.
Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

Crickets.

 

[proudveteran06]

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.
Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

Crickets.

Not going to get a response.

 

[toastman]

The Palestinians have been offering to " cede land for decades?" Lets see..... They want borders that were never accepted before, NJA/ No Israelis allowed in " Palestine" and " Right of Return" for approx. 6.5 Million Arabs IF they wanted to so Israel would be annexed to Palestine. What are they " offering" again? The answer is " nothing"


The population in Israel is just over 8 Million. 75 percent are Jewish. Abbas wants the OPTION of having 6.5 Million Palestinians " return" which would automatically destroy Israel and annex it to the Palestinian State. Let him keep insisting. It will never happen.

LOL you actually think Tinmore knows anything about Palestine or Israel??
He didnt even know that Palestine was technically founded as a sovereign state in 1988 (west bank and gaza).

According to him " Palestine" became a Country around 1910 ( Forgot his exact date) When asked what kind of Govt they had, etc. etc. there is no response .

Actually he said 1924 , the same date of the treaty of Lausanne, which a BTW doesnt even mention Palestine

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians aren't " offering " anything . Israel was created thanks to the UN . " Palestine" was never a Country; It was a territory . However , the " 67 Borders" aren't enough. The Pigs want more . It's their goal to eventually annex Israel to " Palestine" which is why they refuse to acknowledge Israel as a Jewish State.

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.

Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.

Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I glean from your source that Israel will be forced to cede land to the Palestinians in any two-state solution deal but not a word about the Palestinians, as you claim, ceding anything.

 

[aris2chat]

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.

Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You forget that arafat walked into the UNGA with his side arm instead of an olive branch.
Then he tried to over throw Jordan's king and when he got kicked out He used Lebanon as a launching ground to attack Israel. Then his men trigger a civil war in Lebanon that ended with him and his PLO getting the boot out of the country.

Such words of peace from his mouth meant nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do the math and see what you come up with

61% under P.A. control

14% under Israeli control but to be handed back

That is 74% of the west bank that is not under Palestinian sovereignty as of May 2000, add that to the red areas on your map and you see 95%

Or did you forget about the red areas because they weren't represented in the pie chart

Here is a map from a different source.

And it still comes out as 95% if you look.

OH! and the source is exactly the same blog you used before

It was Israel's offer. Why don't you post Israel's map so we can see where they differ.

 

[aris2chat]

Here is a map from a different source.

And it still comes out as 95% if you look.

OH! and the source is exactly the same blog you used before

It was Israel's offer. Why don't you post Israel's map so we can see where they differ.

Arafat refused the offer because it also would give the west wall to Israel, although the mount would have been part of palestine.
Arafat choose war over peace.
The offer no longer stands, nor will it be offered again.

 

[proudveteran06]

And it still comes out as 95% if you look.

OH! and the source is exactly the same blog you used before

It was Israel's offer. Why don't you post Israel's map so we can see where they differ.

Arafat refused the offer because it also would give the west wall to Israel, although the mount would have been part of palestine.
Arafat choose war over peace.
The offer no longer stands, nor will it be offered again.

He also wanted " Right of Return" which would destroy Israel

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinians have been offering to cede land to Israel for decades.

Israel has never accepted the offer.

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

 

[Phoenall]

Here is a map from a different source.

And it still comes out as 95% if you look.

OH! and the source is exactly the same blog you used before

It was Israel's offer. Why don't you post Israel's map so we can see where they differ.

Could it be that because Arafat walked out the map was never drawn, making your maps inexpert doodlings of what the pro Palestinians think. The deal was offered and everyone involved saw that it was 95% of the land demands with a small amount of restructuring borders. A right of return for 100,000 Palestinians and a phased withdrawal of Israeli troops. It is detailed on many sites from both sides but Arafat decided to instigate violence rather than peace.

So why don't you explain why pro palestinians refuse to deal with the reality and just want to demonise Israel and blame them for the lack of peace. What has abbass brought to the table in the recent round of talks apart from the usual 67 borders and right of return ?

 

[proudveteran06]

And it still comes out as 95% if you look.

OH! and the source is exactly the same blog you used before

It was Israel's offer. Why don't you post Israel's map so we can see where they differ.

I have asked the Palestinian what they have done to " negotiate" and his response was they're not demanding Israel go back to the 1949 lines; Just the 67 Lines . My response was that it had nothing to do with the Palestinian " negotiations" the " lines" were drawn by the International Community which is why I asked the question; What is the difference between the 49 " Armistice" lines the 67 Lines ? THANKS.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

 

[proudveteran06]

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1949 " Armistice Lines" , No access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" annexing Israel to Palestine?

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

 

[P F Tinmore]

1949 " Armistice Lines" , No access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" annexing Israel to Palestine?

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

 

[Phoenall]

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

Which is not acceptable to the UN, Israel or the civilised world. The PLO signed away the 1949/1967 lines at Oslo and realised too late that they did not have a leg to stand on. They best they could expect is the state of play in effect when they finally declared independence in 1988. Forget the Islamic version of 242 as that dictates that the borders must be negotiated and be mutually acceptable. The more the Palestinians demand pre requisites before negotiating the more the world see's that don't want peace. Israel has shown it is honourable with the two treaties it has with Egypt and Jordan

 

[Phoenall]

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

Why what aspects of International law is it in breach of. And give examples from a credible source, not some pro Palestinian blog

 

[proudveteran06]

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

You're right. That is why Israel has no intention of doing so

It's not against " International Law' for both Parties to sit down and truely negotiate. Even the Saudis have come to this Conclusion.


Where is that " link" proving the Palestinians offered land that the Israelis refused? Doesn't exist; Just like the " negotiations"

 

[Roudy]

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

Yet it exists and is complying with international law. And it is doing magnificent.

Arab Palestine doesn't exist and never did.

 

[toastman]

In case no one else has noticed, every offer given to the Palestinians has offered less territory over time.

First there was the partition plan which would have given them more territory then the 67 borders.
Then there was the offer of the 67 borders after the 6 day war, but the Palestinians signed the Khartoum resolution
Then there was the offer to Arafart in 2000 which was less land the. The previous offer.
Then there was Olmerts offer in 2008 which was less land then the previous offer
And then there is now, where the minimum of the OLmert offer has not been offered yet.


Not too smart these Palestinians , are they?