Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Sallow]

Exactly what I wrote the Palestinians use chemicals like Coumadin an anticoagulant to coat the nails with, or pack the warheads with rotting meat and faeces. Imagine the scene if a child is hit by just one piece of shrapnel from such a weapon.

Now go and look it up like a good little pro Palestinian

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

The thing is since Israel built the wall the nasty Palestinians cant engage in suicide bombing anymore. The Israelis have provided every school with safe rooms and shelters to protect their children. The Palestinians put them in front of their "brave" soldiers so they get killed first. That coupled with the fact that the Palestinians prefer to fight from civilian areas putting civilian lives at risk. So the only way they can hope to inflict any collateral damage is to use illegal substances in the nail bombs

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

 

[toastman]

Actually, Israel was created lawfully after the cessation of the Mandate after declaring independence.
The US and Israel have already agreed that the USS liberty was a result of misidentification, and Israel has compensated the families.

Oh, and Israel DOES deal with its problems on her own. Just because the US supplies Israel with money and arms, doesnt mean that the they are taking care of Israels problems

 

[Roudy]

In case no one else has noticed, every offer given to the Palestinians has offered less territory over time.

First there was the partition plan which would have given them more territory then the 67 borders.
Then there was the offer of the 67 borders after the 6 day war, but the Palestinians signed the Khartoum resolution
Then there was the offer to Arafart in 2000 which was less land the. The previous offer.
Then there was Olmerts offer in 2008 which was less land then the previous offer
And then there is now, where the minimum of the OLmert offer has not been offered yet.


Not too smart these Palestinians , are they?

Low learning curve. They think they can't get what they want through savagery and terrorism. The clock is ticking.

 

[Roudy]

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

The thing is since Israel built the wall the nasty Palestinians cant engage in suicide bombing anymore. The Israelis have provided every school with safe rooms and shelters to protect their children. The Palestinians put them in front of their "brave" soldiers so they get killed first. That coupled with the fact that the Palestinians prefer to fight from civilian areas putting civilian lives at risk. So the only way they can hope to inflict any collateral damage is to use illegal substances in the nail bombs

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

 

[aris2chat]

Proof from a credible source, or retract and admit you are wrong

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cant see any decades of ceding land to Israel in your link, just the tiny part you copied.

Then you manipulated the next part and missed out this..........which argued that the borders must be negotiated directly by the parties. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid-1970s.

So how about this link that details the willingness of the Palestinians to cede land to the Israelis

Israel was going to give land to increase Gaza by 10%

The past offer no longer is relevant. It is no longer on the table.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The PLO is willing to accept partition using the armistice lines.

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

There you have it folks!! His true colors come out. He won't even accept Israel within the Green Line, which everyone does.

 

[RoccoR]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.​

As was most of Europe.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

They will accept the " 1949 Armistice Line" , Jews having no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to the Palestinian State? Now, that's a " deal" Israel can't pass up !

Israel cannot, at the same time, exist and comply with international law.

Very strange situation.

There you have it folks!! His true colors come out. He won't even accept Israel within the Green Line, which everyone does.

Tinmore thinks all of Palestine is occupied because the Palestinians never ceded land to the Jews to create Israel
That should say enough about him

 

[Sallow]

The thing is since Israel built the wall the nasty Palestinians cant engage in suicide bombing anymore. The Israelis have provided every school with safe rooms and shelters to protect their children. The Palestinians put them in front of their "brave" soldiers so they get killed first. That coupled with the fact that the Palestinians prefer to fight from civilian areas putting civilian lives at risk. So the only way they can hope to inflict any collateral damage is to use illegal substances in the nail bombs

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

 

[Sallow]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.​

As was most of Europe.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.


(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's a whole lotta verbiage there..bud.

All it does is dodge deflect and distract.

Israel, by the way, by it's existence, is a proof of concept for terrorism.

As is..Ireland.

Be that as it may..my point stands.

If Israel wants to continue to behave the way it does.

There is no reason, at all, for us, as a nation to fund them.

 

[toastman]

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

If you have a problem with Israel receiving aid, then go whine to the U.S for giving it. When in history has a country receiving grants from another country asked to stop receiving it??
Stop whining

 

[Sallow]

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

If you have a problem with Israel receiving aid, then go whine to the U.S for giving it. When in history has a country receiving grants from another country asked to stop receiving it??
Stop whining

You first.

 

[toastman]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.


(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.


(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's a whole lotta verbiage there..bud.

All it does is dodge deflect and distract.

Israel, by the way, by it's existence, is a proof of concept for terrorism.

As is..Ireland.

Be that as it may..my point stands.

If Israel wants to continue to behave the way it does.

There is no reason, at all, for us, as a nation to fund them.

He didn't deflect anything. You just weren't capable of responding to ANY of his points.
Big fail on your part.

Now go pay your taxes so some of your money can go to Israel

 

[toastman]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.


(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.


(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's a whole lotta verbiage there..bud.

All it does is dodge deflect and distract.

Israel, by the way, by it's existence, is a proof of concept for terrorism.

As is..Ireland.

Be that as it may..my point stands.

If Israel wants to continue to behave the way it does.

There is no reason, at all, for us, as a nation to fund them.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

If you have a problem with Israel receiving aid, then go whine to the U.S for giving it. When in history has a country receiving grants from another country asked to stop receiving it??
Stop whining

You first.

So did you complain to the U.S yet about the grants they give to Israel?

 

[Phoenall]

Um.

You realize how ridiculous you sound?

Numbers, facts and reports on record do not back you up.

Israelis rarely die in terrorist attacks.

However, Palestinians are frequently killed in Israeli raids.

The numbers between Israeli and Palestinians casualties don't even come close.

The thing is since Israel built the wall the nasty Palestinians cant engage in suicide bombing anymore. The Israelis have provided every school with safe rooms and shelters to protect their children. The Palestinians put them in front of their "brave" soldiers so they get killed first. That coupled with the fact that the Palestinians prefer to fight from civilian areas putting civilian lives at risk. So the only way they can hope to inflict any collateral damage is to use illegal substances in the nail bombs

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

It did own the land under the terms of the mandate and that had it as one of its aims to allocate land for a Jewish home.

The lawlessness came from the arabs who are noted to this day to be terrorist mass murderers.

LIES

MORE LIES

Why not Pakistan was invaded and it had nukes.

They are as morons like you make sure of that.

Their record on diplomacy stands on its own feet as shown by the treaties it has signed with Egypt and Jordan, the negotiations they try to put to the Palestinians who refuse to talk.


You are just a NAZI POS ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATING WORM

 

[Phoenall]

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

Britain was more than happy to give away land it didn't own to:

1. Solve their Jewish terrorist problem.
2. Motivate their own Jewish population to resettle there.

As was most of Europe.

It was a state born in lawlessness. And still continues in that spirit.

Israel regularly spies on the US, has killed both US military personnel and civilians and browbeats the US in most negotiations.

It's a nasty little country with a nasty reputation.

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

Because it is not about the aid at the end of the day, it is about American jobs. Stop the aid and many thousands of Americans will be unemployed as a result. Put the aid into illegal support for American firms and see import duties rise to 100% of the cost on all exports. This will put more Americans out of work, and before you know it the country is bankrupt and dependent on charity from the rest of the world. Your nukes will get sold to some tinpot Islamic dictator and he will turn them on the US, Israel and anyone else he does not like.

So are you still against giving Israel those loans to buy American made goods ?

 

[Phoenall]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.

They weren't suffering huge amounts of casualties prior to the wall either. And considering modern Israel is the result of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever, this is pretty significant.

(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.


(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.


(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

But..it will never be invaded because it has nukes.

So?

Lets let them deal with the world on it's own.

Maybe if their economy crashed because of it's high military expenditure, they will resort to something they seldom try.

Diplomacy.

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's a whole lotta verbiage there..bud.

All it does is dodge deflect and distract.

Israel, by the way, by it's existence, is a proof of concept for terrorism.

As is..Ireland.

Be that as it may..my point stands.

If Israel wants to continue to behave the way it does.

There is no reason, at all, for us, as a nation to fund them.

You forget the biggest terrorist campaigns for land in Pakistan and Bangladesh when 10 million innocents were murdered by the muslim invaders. Then the land of Sudan and Darfur were again Islamic terrorism was used to gain land illegally.

If you don't your country will be bankrupt within a year and sold of to China

 

[Phoenall]

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

If you have a problem with Israel receiving aid, then go whine to the U.S for giving it. When in history has a country receiving grants from another country asked to stop receiving it??
Stop whining

You first.

WHY ? because you hate the Jews so much

 

[Phoenall]

Sallow, et al,

We need a little perspective here.


(COMMENT)

• The "huge amounts of casualties" is subjective. Palestinian political violence (Jihadism, Armed Fedayeen Struggle, terrorism by subgroups) has significantly reduced since the Construction of the Security Barrier (AKA: The Wall). This is simply a matter of record, and not just supposition. Was the Security Barrier responsible for the entire reduction? (Rhetorical) No! But is was an extremely important component in the overall anti-terrorism campaign against Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) Operations that included massacres, suicide bombings, hijackings, piracy, rocket & mortar attacks, armed assaults, etc; many of which were directly targeted against harmless and defenseless civilian activities.

• Israel was established as a 'Jewish State" under the auspices of the guidance and direction of the UN; and NOT by "of one of the most successful terrorist movements, ever." General Assembly 181(II) was not a Partition Plan the UN agreed to at the point of a gun. It was an outcome of the efforts by the Special Commission on Palestine. If anything, it can be said the following the adoption of GA/RES/181(II), the terrorism and warfare by the Arab League and HoAP was in direct defiance of the UN Plan.

(COMMENT)

Britain (UK) (the LoN Mandatory) did not "give away" anything in the Mandate of Palestine. The Independence of the "Jewish State" was accomplished pursuant to the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" adopted by the General Assembly.


(COMMENT)

"People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones"​

Israel was born under fire from Arab League Armies attempting to overturn the implementation of the Plan in defiance of the decisions by the United Nations.


(COMMENT)

Everyone spies on the US! --- And some of the greatest American Allies today, were once enemies. It is the way of the world and the human endeavor. In the twilight of American Power and Influence, it is something the US will have to face as a challenge.

The reputation of Israel is what it is. But in mitigation, it would be foolish for the HoAP, famed for its peaceful ways to make any comment.

Terrorist Attack on TWA Flight 841

This is the worst terrorist attack in the air which managed to get 8th position in our top 10 worst terrorist attacks of the history’s list. It happened on September 8, 1974 when TWA Flight 841 flew from Athens to Rome. It stopped for around 68 minutes in Greece to take off once again. Originally it took off from Tel Aviv to reach to its destination i.e. New York City JFK International Airport. The plane suddenly crashed (though it was suspected an engine failure) into the Lonian Sea. This engine failure was later on discovered as the result of a small bomb blast in the plane. All 79 passengers lost their lives in this plane crash incident.​

Ma’a lot Massacre Terrorist Attacks

May 15, 1973 was probably the worst day in Israeli history when a huge massacre happened in this only Jewish state on Earth. Three armed Palestinian terrorists were behind this terrorist attack who belonged to Liberation of Palestine. They successfully managed to enter into this Jewish state and used the route of Lebanon. More or less 115 people were taken as hostages by them and killed around 25 people. A couple along with their son (only 4-year-old) was also among victim in Ma’a lot town.​

Munich Massacre

The Munich Olympic Games Massacre was an attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany on 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September. Shortly after the crisis began, they demanded the release of 234 prisoners held in Israeli jails, and the release of the founders of the German Red Army Faction, who were held in German prisons.​

MS Achille Lauro Piracy

On October 7, 1985, four PLF militants hijacked the Achille Lauro liner off Egypt. Thehijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely. Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli prisons.
On October 8, after being refused permission by the Syrian government to dock at Tartus, the hijackers murdered Leon Klinghoffer, a retired, wheelchair-bound Jewish American businessman, shooting him in the forehead and chest. They then forced the ship's barber and a waiter to throw his body and wheelchair overboard.​

(COMMENT)

Nukes? So what!

Diplomacy is something the HoAP seldom use.

• Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Article 13: There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.

Maybe you should give advice to the PLO-Negotiation Affairs Department.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's a whole lotta verbiage there..bud.

All it does is dodge deflect and distract.

Israel, by the way, by it's existence, is a proof of concept for terrorism.

As is..Ireland.

Be that as it may..my point stands.

If Israel wants to continue to behave the way it does.

There is no reason, at all, for us, as a nation to fund them.

He didn't deflect anything. You just weren't capable of responding to ANY of his points.
Big fail on your part.

Now go pay your taxes so some of your money can go to Israel

Or more precisely help to keep America PLC afloat

 

[montelatici]

Israel is dealing with other countries on its own, and isn't more or less nasty than any Western democracy out there. In fact one can easily argue that it is more tolerant and open than many countries.

And..that's fine.

No need for the aid.

I dunno why that's a huge problem with you folks.

I thought you were fiscally responsible.

Because it is not about the aid at the end of the day, it is about American jobs. Stop the aid and many thousands of Americans will be unemployed as a result. Put the aid into illegal support for American firms and see import duties rise to 100% of the cost on all exports. This will put more Americans out of work, and before you know it the country is bankrupt and dependent on charity from the rest of the world. Your nukes will get sold to some tinpot Islamic dictator and he will turn them on the US, Israel and anyone else he does not like.

So are you still against giving Israel those loans to buy American made goods ?

Stop the aid and many thousands of Americans will be unemployed as a result.

Sales to Muslim nations would grow at a far greater rate without the need to give away money. I mean, paying someone to buy something from you does not seem to be good business for Americans. Great for the Jews of Israel though.