No, I am the realistic one. You want to bury your head in the sand and deny that there are real "social" problems with ONE particular religion pretty much everywhere it seems.
I do deny that it applies to "ONE particular religion", yes. That makes me the one with his head OUT OF the sand.
That's because I don't just swallow every meme the media tries to sell me without putting it through a smell test.
An approach you might be well advised to try.
And it does not go unnoticed that your last two words are "it seems". "It seems" just ain't good enough.
Well if you deny that most of the honor killing violence you hear about is not usually related to ONE particular religion, then I am going to call you "ostrich boy."
Dear
ChrisL
With the honor killings, how many of these come out of Pakistani families?
I asked a Muslim friend of mine, and he said it is tied to Pakistani culture.
I would compare "honor killings" to equally tragic reports from India
of women burned alive on the funeral pyres of their husbands
Yes, it's illegal to do this.
But "some people" are still carrying out old traditions, because of their social conditioning.
For these illegal acts coming out of India, is it fair to blame this on "Hinduism"?
It may be part of the old CULTURE,
but of course it isn't part of the law or religious beliefs that are AGAINST such acts.
If you are looking for an easy answer to blame it on,
I don't think this is going to solve the problem.
The conditioning goes deeper.
Burning a widow on the funeral pyre of her husband is DEFINITELY a rite linked to
Hinduism. I have never met a HINDU who denied that fact. I have known lots of educated hindus-----it has been made illegal in India and was probably restricted to
WEALTHY UPPER CLASS hindus even in ancient times. Lots of hindu girls find it
"romantic" There is a belief that burning together will give the couple ---eternal togetherness in the reincarnation game. Muslims who deny that FGM is
linked to islam are lying. There have been a few cases of hindu wives PREVENTED from jumping on the funeral pyre who committed suicide in order
to accomplish the custom. "BLAME"??? why say "blame" an honest
evaluation is the answer. ---------sati >>>HINDU FGM >>> islam -----out dated
and in some places illegal. Sati is illegal and-----seems to be not done in India---
FGM is done in Pakistan-----and thruout the Islamic world ----in some places
it is illegal. Anthropology is a real social science-----liars do it poorly
Complete bullshit. With the customary lack of any link at all.
Part the first: castes
>> Some scholars of caste have considered
jāti to have its basis in religion, assuming that in India the sacred elements of life envelope the secular aspects; for example, the anthropologist
Louis Dumont described the ritual rankings that exist within the
jāti system as being based on the concepts of religious purity and pollution.
[25] This view has been disputed by other scholars, who believe it to be a secular social phenomenon driven by the necessities of economics, politics, and sometimes also geography.
[24][25][26][27]
....
Jātis have existed in India among Hindus, Muslims, Christians and tribal people, and there is no clear linear order.
[31]
<< --- C
aste system in India: Origins (Wiki)
--- and from the intro paragraph on that page:
>> Although the varnas and jatis have pre-modern origins, the caste system as it exists today is the result of developments during the collapse of Mughal era and the British colonial regime in India.
[2][11] The collapse of Mughal era saw the rise of powerful men who associated themselves with kings, priests and ascetics, affirming the regal and martial form of the caste ideal, and it also reshaped many apparently casteless social groups into differentiated caste communities.
[12] The British Raj furthered this development, making rigid caste organisation a central mechanism of administration.
[2][11][4][13][
page needed]
[5][14] Between 1860 and 1920, the British segregated Indians by caste, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to the upper castes. <<
-- which explains that the caste system as it exists today is partly a European-incited structure. But again, derived from politics, not religion.
Not to mention this, from the same intro:
Part the Second: FGM
>> The origins of the practice are unknown.
[161] Its east-west, north-south distribution in Africa meets in Sudan, leading Gerry Mackie to speculate that infibulation originated with the
Meroite civilization and imperial polygyny, before the rise of Islam, to increase confidence in paternity.
[162]
...
The proposed circumcision of an Egyptian girl, Tathemis, is mentioned on a Greek
papyrus from
163 BCE in the
British Museum:
Sometime after this, Nephoris [Tathemis's mother] defrauded me, being anxious that it was time for Tathemis to be circumcised, as is the custom among the Egyptians. She asked that I give her 1,300 drachmae ... to clothe her ... and to provide her with a marriage dowry ... if she didn't do each of these or if she did not circumcise Tathemis in the month of Mecheir, year 18 [163 BCE], she would repay me 2,400 drachmae on the spot.
[164]
...
The Greek geographer
Strabo (c.
64 BCE – c. 23 CE) wrote about FGM after visiting Egypt around
25 BCE.[n 19][n 20] The philosopher
Philo of Alexandria (c.
20 BCE – 50 CE) also made reference to it: "the Egyptians by the custom of their country circumcise the marriageable youth and maid in the fourteenth (year) of their age, when the male begins to get seed, and the female to have a menstrual flow."
[169] It is mentioned briefly in a work attributed to the Greek physician
Galen (
129 – c. 200 CE): "When [the clitoris] sticks out to a great extent in their young women, Egyptians consider it appropriate to cut it out."
[170]
Another Greek physician,
Aëtius of Amida (mid-5th to mid-6th century CE), offered more detail in book 16 of his
Sixteen Books on Medicine, citing the physician Philomenes. The procedure was performed in case the clitoris, or
nymphê, grew too large or triggered sexual desire when rubbing against clothing. "On this account, it seemed proper to the Egyptians to remove it before it became greatly enlarged," Aëtius wrote, "especially at that time when the girls were about to be married": <<
Once again --- linear time rears its head. ALL of the above citations were recorded before Mohammad or Islam existed. Moreover this cultural artifact is concentrated in Africa, and not in the greater Muslim world, including Christian nations.
(background, from the source above) >> Why would a mother be willing to have such a cruel, painful and highly risky procedure, which has no benefits for her at all performed on her daughter? The answer is often
economic. In societies that practice FGM, daughters are an essential part of their parents “retirement plan” (which of course does not exist in most of the countries where FGM is being practices). Arranged marriages are a vital part of a family’s income, especially as the parents get older and may no longer be able to work. In societies where FGM is the norm, not mutilating one’s daughters would make it very difficult, if not impossible to marry them. This is a huge financial and social risk for a mother to take.<< ---
FGM and Poverty
In fact it was used here and in "modern" Europe as late as the 19th century to control pseudo-conditions like "nymphomania" --- which is essentially also its ancient purpose in Africa.
Once AGAIN, he said to the wilfully blind, what this all has in common is not religion or language or race -- it's
patriarchy. It's the
social order and the way it's perceived within that community's values.
