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Oh dear I was specifically responding to your post 13 when you incorrectly wrote this:

Why in the world do you want to do that? Do you want another ice age?
My reply was this at post 14: "We are already in an ice age, has been for around 2.6 million years."

Your post 15, where you expanded outside of the current Ice age time frame:

Your terminology is incorrect we are in an interglacial cycle. What you refer to as an ice age is more appropriately referred to as an ice house planet which is what we transitioned into about 3 million years ago from a greenhouse planet. An ice house planet has high thermal gradients between the poles and equator (relative to a greenhouse planet) and cycles between glacial and interglacial cycles.
My reply at post 16:

"Incorrect, we ARE in an ICE AGE now, but it consist of two parts, GLACIATION and INTERGLACIAL, currently we are in the waning days of the Interglacial part of the cycle.

It is called the Quaternary glaciation

The Quaternary glaciation, also known as the Pleistocene glaciation, is an alternating series of glacial and interglacial periods during the Quaternary period that began 2.58 Ma (million years ago), and is ongoing."

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Gave you several links showing elementary information long known, that Earth has been in an Ice age for about 2.6 million years, with two identified phases in it. Now quoting this elementary Knowledge from Wikipedia:

"A glacial period (alternatively glacial or glaciation) is an interval of time (thousands of years) within an ice age that is marked by colder temperatures and glacier advances. Interglacials, on the other hand, are periods of warmer climate between glacial periods. The Last Glacial Period ended about 15,000 years ago.[1] The Holocene is the current interglacial. A time with no glaciers on Earth is considered a greenhouse climate state."

red bolding mine

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Post 17, you write this that was never under discussion at all, since you went back to a period BEFORE the Ice age came along that has been ongoing for the last 2.6 million years.

The transition was from a greenhouse world to an ice house world.
I never argued or disputed this, but that is because YOU went outside of the time frame we initially started in, which was the current Ice age time frame covering the last 2.6 million years.

You have been corrected, ever since then you keep backpedaling into a different time frame unrelated to what we were first discussing. I predict you will continue down the path of an increasing dishonest set of replies, meanwhile you will ignore this passage:

"A glacial period (alternatively glacial or glaciation) is an interval of time (thousands of years) within an ice age that is marked by colder temperatures and glacier advances. Interglacials, on the other hand, are periods of warmer climate between glacial periods."

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To summarize:

Ice age (the last 2.6 million years)

Glaciation Phase (40,000-100,000 years)

Interglacial Phase (10-20,000 years)

You have been CORRECTED!
 
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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
 

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
 

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
Once again your lack of honesty shows up.

La-Nina became official in......... NOVEMBER.

Then a single month drop of .26C shows up.

That was from NOAA, you going to dispute them?

Currently a WEAK La-Nina.

You are allergic to evidence.
 

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.
NOAA's 2020 average temperature hasn't been published yet ... where are you getting your information? ...
 

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From what we know about the "La Nina" weather patterns they are based on the temperature of the Pacific ocean currents. What we don't know is how long it takes for atmospheric and ocean events to influence global currents. Is it possible that the most violent eruption in modern history, the Krakatoah eruption in the 1880's still influence Pacific ocean temperatures? WW2 dumped so many toxic elements into the Pacific that they call a large body of water off the Philippines "iron bottom sound". The Fukishima earthquake was so powerful that it shifted the earth a couple of degrees on it's axis. As we speak, a Mexican volcano is emitting more toxic gas per day than every SUV ever made. Why blame the greatest Country in the world for events that nobody has any control over? Political pressure?
 

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Fukishima earthquake was so powerful that it shifted the earth a couple of degrees on it's axis.
Sweet Jeebus, no. It shifted the axis a few inches. Where do you get this nonsense?

As we speak, a Mexican volcano is emitting more toxic gas per day than every SUV ever made.
Again, where do you come up with these loopy fictions?
 
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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
Care to show me one peer reviewed article showing a connection between a solar flare and a pole shift? Or one article that claims a pole shift has major biological effects, or occurs that quickly.
 
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From what we know about the "La Nina" weather patterns they are based on the temperature of the Pacific ocean currents. What we don't know is how long it takes for atmospheric and ocean events to influence global currents. Is it possible that the most violent eruption in modern history, the Krakatoah eruption in the 1880's still influence Pacific ocean temperatures? WW2 dumped so many toxic elements into the Pacific that they call a large body of water off the Philippines "iron bottom sound". The Fukishima earthquake was so powerful that it shifted the earth a couple of degrees on it's axis. As we speak, a Mexican volcano is emitting more toxic gas per day than every SUV ever made. Why blame the greatest Country in the world for events that nobody has any control over? Political pressure?
Do you ever bother to research the nonsense you post?

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
Once again your lack of honesty shows up.

La-Nina became official in......... NOVEMBER.

Then a single month drop of .26C shows up.

That was from NOAA, you going to dispute them?

Currently a WEAK La-Nina.

You are allergic to evidence.
LOL Looks like you are the one allergic to evidence. Maybe one month of a very weak El Nino, and five months of La Nina;

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
Once again your lack of honesty shows up.

La-Nina became official in......... NOVEMBER.

Then a single month drop of .26C shows up.

That was from NOAA, you going to dispute them?

Currently a WEAK La-Nina.

You are allergic to evidence.
And here is more evidence that totally refutes your assertation;

 

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
Care to show me one peer reviewed article showing a connection between a solar flare and a pole shift? Or one article that claims a pole shift has major biological effects, or occurs that quickly.
Lol. It’s not a subject most know about, but it dates back decades. Einstein knew of it. Spend some time here to start. It’s the sun my son!!!
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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
Care to show me one peer reviewed article showing a connection between a solar flare and a pole shift? Or one article that claims a pole shift has major biological effects, or occurs that quickly.
Lol. It’s not a subject most know about, but it dates back decades. Einstein knew of it. Spend some time here to start. It’s the sun my son!!!
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LOL I requested articles from credible sources, like peer reviewed scientific journals.
 
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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
Care to show me one peer reviewed article showing a connection between a solar flare and a pole shift? Or one article that claims a pole shift has major biological effects, or occurs that quickly.
Lol. It’s not a subject most know about, but it dates back decades. Einstein knew of it. Spend some time here to start. It’s the sun my son!!!
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In the lavas of the Steens Mountain, we have a complete history of one magnetic flp. The link will get you the complete arcticle;

Summary
Geomagnetic polarity transitions may be significantly more complex than are currently depicted in many sedimentary and lava-flow records. By splicing together paleomagnetic results from earlier studies at Steens Mountain with those from three newly studied sections of Oregon Plateau flood basalts at Catlow Peak and Poker Jim Ridge 70–90 km to the southeast and west, respectively, we provide support for this interpretation with the most detailed account of a magnetic field reversal yet observed in volcanic rocks. Forty-five new distinguishable transitional (T) directions together with 30 earlier ones reveal a much more complex and detailed record of the 16.7 Ma reversed (R)-to-normal (N) polarity transition that marks the end of Chron C5Cr. Compared to the earlier R-T-N-T-N reversal record, the new record can be described as R-T-N-T-N-T-R-T-N. The composite record confirms earlier features, adds new west and up directions and an entire large N-T-R-T segment to the path, and fills in directions on the path between earlier directional jumps. Persistent virtual geomagnetic pole (VGP) clusters and separate VGPs have a preference for previously described longitudinal bands from transition study compilations, which suggests the presence of features at the core–mantle boundary that influence the flow of core fluid and distribution of magnetic flux. Overall the record is consistent with the generalization that VGP paths vary greatly from reversal to reversal and depend on the location of the observer. Rates of secular variation confirm that the flows comprising these sections were erupted rapidly, with maximum rates estimated to be 85–120 m ka−1 at Catlow and 130–195 m ka−1 at Poker Jim South. Paleomagnetic poles from other studies are combined with 32 non-transitional poles found here to give a clockwise rotation of the Oregon Plateau of 11.4°± 5.6° with respect to the younger Columbia River Basalt Group flows to the north and 14.5°± 4.6° with respect to cratonic North America (95 per cent confidence interval).

 

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Meanwhile, after all the defelction and whining, 2020, a La Nina year, is still tied with the previous record of 2016, an El Nino year.

Global warming marches on. We rational people aren't surprised. After all, we've been proven right about everything for many years. In contrast, the deniers here have gotten everything laughbably wrong.

That's why they're in maximum deflection mode. They can't hide their incompetence and dishonesty any more.
No need to worry about global warming. When the sun hits us with a solar flare and CME, the pole shift will occur and most of mankind will disappear. That should make the warmers happy.
Care to show me one peer reviewed article showing a connection between a solar flare and a pole shift? Or one article that claims a pole shift has major biological effects, or occurs that quickly.
Lol. It’s not a subject most know about, but it dates back decades. Einstein knew of it. Spend some time here to start. It’s the sun my son!!!
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LOL I requested articles from credible sources, like peer reviewed scientific journals.
Yes. The earth is flat. Believe it and never change.
 

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We have had a cool winter in Florida so far with below average temperatures and near record lows on several days.

Global warming my ass.
 

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Well, here we are in a year that has featured a deep La Nina since August, yet tied 2016 as the warmest year on record.
What changes would you need to make and what is the time line for those changes to take effect? Specifically, how long would it take to get to the desired state.
It will take decades, and involves far more than just changing to renewable energy. We also have to address how we do agriculture and follow China's lead in reforesting wasteland. For we also have to draw the down the present CO2 level. And in the meantime, we will have to deal with the results of what we have already done. Here is one of the better people on that subject;

Q. By how much must we reduce atmospheric CO2 to prevent the climate from ever changing?

A. $78,000,000,000,000


Q. How does atmospheric CO2 warm the deep oceans?

A. Look! Squirrel!
 

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