A very specific "off ramp" to end to the shutdown, majority rules. (Poll)

[WorldWatcher]

Yeah, like that would be a good thing! You are an idiot if you think people will stay on the job indefinitely without being paid.

#1 I know it would be bad, very very bad. That's the point. We have these slow downs with retro pay and there are no real consequences to not negotiating and passing a budget. It encourgages the "may way or the highway" mentality. And don't think this is a Trump thing, I've been saying the same thing since the 90's.

If Congress is going to shutdown the government than they should be required to actually shut it down. None of this "excepted" work force bull shyte.

Shut it down and make it painful so that Congress will really hear from constituents.

Government workers (all of them) are sent home with no back pay for time missed. This includes EVERYONE.

• Air Traffic Controllers get to stay on the job until aircraft have landed, no new flights are allowed to take off or enter American air space from other countries if they took off after the shutdown time. Shutdown all government airport and train operations.
• FBI, Border Patrol, NSA, CIA, etc. - Go home. We'll call you to come back.
• Government processing of financials stops.
• No Social Security checks issued.
• No Medicare checks issued.
• No VA checks issued.
• No pay for the military.
• No pay for military retirees.
• Payment to State and School districts for everything stops.
• Federal Courts shut down.
• Federal Prisons? Lock the inmates in their cell with a weeks worth of MRE's.
• etc.

Congressional staff is sent home. The only ones allowed to work in the empty Capital Building are the actual members of Congress because under the Constitution their compensation cannot be reduced during their term of office so they are the only ones getting paid.

If a shutdown was a real shut down Congress would think twice before ignoring their responsibilities and pulling political stunts.

WW

 

[BackAgain]

We need to keep the government running even when the two parties can't pass a budget.

As I suggested, therefore, simply make the prior BUDGET controlling since Congress will have failed to do its job. But add a provision allowing the President, under such circumstances, to do some reallocation as needed.

My wife noticed that they take too much tie off to get the budget done. Maybe hold heir pay until thy pass all the appropriations bills & no days off?

They won’t pass such a law nor even a proposed Amendment.

aka a "continuing resolution"

No. A continuing resolution just makes it easier for them to avoid doing their job.

A line item veto I believe was ruled unconstitutional by the USSC.

Yep. But under my proposal, that wouldn’t control anymore. It’s not a “veto” to have a Presidential authority to engage in reallocation when Congress fails to do its damn job (by passing a BUDGET) for the fiscal year. It’s simply Pragmatic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

#1 I know it would be bad, very very bad. That's the point. We have these slow downs with retro pay and there are no real consequences to not negotiating and passing a budget. It encourgages the "may way or the highway" mentality. And don't think this is a Trump thing, I've been saying the same thing since the 90's.

If Congress is going to shutdown the government than they should be required to actually shut it down. None of this "excepted" work force bull shyte.

Shut it down and make it painful so that Congress will really hear from constituents.

Government workers (all of them) are sent home with no back pay for time missed. This includes EVERYONE.

• Air Traffic Controllers get to stay on the job until aircraft have landed, no new flights are allowed to take off or enter American air space from other countries if they took off after the shutdown time. Shutdown all government airport and train operations.
• FBI, Border Patrol, NSA, CIA, etc. - Go home. We'll call you to come back.
• Government processing of financials stops.
• No Social Security checks issued.
• No Medicare checks issued.
• No VA checks issued.
• No pay for the military.
• No pay for military retirees.
• Payment to State and School districts for everything stops.
• Federal Courts shut down.
• Federal Prisons? Lock the inmates in their cell with a weeks worth of MRE's.
• etc.

Congressional staff is sent home. The only ones allowed to work in the empty Capital Building are the actual members of Congress because under the Constitution their compensation cannot be reduced during their term of office so they are the only ones getting paid.

If a shutdown was a real shut down Congress would think twice before ignoring their responsibilities and pulling political stunts.

WW

Well, why can I say other than you are wrong. The disastrous effects should never even be contemplated. as you are talking total anarchy in the result.

You think they are not hearing it now?

Your plan is insane, which speaks a lot about your current mental state as a result of your TDS.

 

[candycorn]

We need the wall to keep criminals and drugs out. 100,000 Americans die a year just from opioids. Obamacare had a TEMPORARY subsidy, just until the end of 2025. Letting the subsidy adds $30 a month to low incomes to $150 a month for higher incomes, back to what they were, no one is "canceling" anything. In fact, the BBB "no tax on tips or OT" gives more money than the subsidy costs, so democrats are hurting workers not helping.

If you're getting tips and OT...you may be right. Why strip away insurance if you don't have to? Oh right because there is some myth about brown people actually getting health care and that bothers people like you.

Comparing "the squad" to "professional politicians" is moronic.

They are actually the very definition of professional politicians. As is much of Trump's cabinet.

We should let professionals do their job. Do you tell the surgeon how to perform surgery or the lawyer how to conduct your case? Nope. But for some reason, we think hamstringing our politicians is a good idea.

Trump had the Covid shutdown to deal with.

Excuses.

Biden also added $8T to the debt with no excuse,

Biden also had covid to deal with you lying piece of shit. But for some reason...he doesn't get your benefit of the doubt.

he paid for food and housing for 12,000,000 illegals.

Remarkably untrue.

Trump is putting the US back on a sound fiscal track, might even balance the budget.

So, again, when your blob runs up more trillions in debt when he oozes out of office...who will you blame? Certainly not him...right?

Why is it that you can never blame Trump for anything? Are you that much of a worthless cuck?

Why would importers expand?

The money they don't spend on taxes--that you're suddenly all in favor of--they could put into expansion. Thats why.

They just import.

Oh you poor pathetic moron. Ford imports parts from country X. You don't think they build cars? Grow up dumbfuck.

We want tariffs and CAPEX here in the US, more US manufacturing and more US employment.

Yet your blob continues to make trade deals with everyone--TACO.

Trump has $17T in commitments from foreign companies to build new plants here. You're welcome.

Sure. He does. According to your blob...he's doing a great job.

Not true. The new revised CBO number is $2.4T over 10-years, or $240b a year.

H.R. 1, One Big Beautiful Bill Act (Dynamic Estimate)

As passed by the House of Representatives on May 22, 2025

www.cbo.gov

What is fantastic is that the CBO assumptions that the $240b annual deficit can be turned into a surplus fairly easily.
1. Congress needs to codify the $205b in savings that DOGE identified
2. As the Fed lowers interest rates 1%, that saves $300b annually in interest on the $37T
3. As the economy improves above the CBO assumed 1.8% GDP growth additional tax revenue will be generated.
4. Tariffs generate about $350b in new revenue annually

Hmmm..early it was $200B. Now it's $350.

Why don't you just admit it...you're just pulling numbers out of thin air.

BTW... whatever the tarriff windfal for the government is...that revenue is tax revenue...higher costs that are passed on to consumers.

Maybe you don't watch the daily press conferences Trump gives the "free press"?
You prefer the "autopen president" that can't give press conferences because he's too senile?
We saw what happened when Trump debated Biden, that was a disaster for democrats.
Kamala was just as bad, her answers were nothing but "word salads"

p.s I'm no child, I'm a great-grandfather.

At best , you're a worthless human being; not "great" at anything.

You have zero idea what you're talking about and just believe anything the blob says.

 

[Greenbeard]

NOPE. There are only the National DEBT of $37.7T and the annual budget deficit ($240b/yr) to be borrowed and added to the debt.

There is no $20T. Can you link to that $20T so I see what it is?

The budget baseline was released in January: The Budget and Economic Outlook: 2025 to 2035.

CBO now projects that if current laws governing revenues and spending generally remained unchanged, the cumulative deficit for the 2025–2034 period would be $21.1 trillion.

That's the starting point. The subsequent passage of the OBBBA added $3.4 trillion to that number.

So total additions to the debt between 2025 and 2034 will now be more than $24 trillion. We're not even close to balancing the budget.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, but the TV camera never blinks.

The talking filibuster was abolished befor the era of 24/7 television news, or the internet.

One of the reasons Republicans stood aside, was because Consevative Democrats (who were all succeeded by similarly racist Republicans) owned all the records for the longest filibusters, with Strom Thurmond as the record holder.

Racist politicians used the filibuster consistantly to oppose any civil right legislation.

Since the core appeal of Trumpism is the very thing that Thurmond et Al hated the most, the political dynamics haven’t really changed.

So, bring back the talking filibuster so the whole world can watch them strut and squirm talking up racism and fear.

And possibly collapse?

I don't get joy out of watching someone squirm. I think we have too much of that in today's society.

 

[kyzr]

If you're getting tips and OT...you may be right. Why strip away insurance if you don't have to? Oh right because there is some myth about brown people actually getting health care and that bothers people like you.

What part of the ACA premiums go back to normal in January don't you understand?
No one is "stripping away their insurance", that is a lie.

Biden also had covid to deal with you lying piece of shit. But for some reason...he doesn't get your benefit of the doubt.

Trump had the shutdown to deal with, Biden just pissed money away on nonsense. The shutdown was over.

Remarkably untrue.

Deluxe Housing for Illegal Migrants, but Not for the Military?

President Joe Biden would never come out and say, “We value illegal migrants more than we do members of our military.” But considering how much more his administration is spending to house migrants who came here illegally than those who defend us—and the conditions both are living in—he might as...

www.heritage.org

So, again, when your blob runs up more trillions in debt when he oozes out of office...who will you blame? Certainly not him...right?
Why is it that you can never blame Trump for anything? Are you that much of a worthless cuck?

You can type lies all day. I posted real numbers. Here they are again.

Trump's Big Beautiful Bill to add $2.4T to national debt: CBO

The bill is the centerpiece of President Donald Trump's domestic agenda, but is facing GOP criticism over its fiscal impact.

www.newsweek.com

That $2.4T is over 10-years, (or $240b a year)
DOGE savings is $214b, if congress implemnents
Interest savings as the Fed lowers interest rates 1% is $300b
Biden added $8T, we'll see how Trump does, should be much less than Biden.

The money they don't spend on taxes--that you're suddenly all in favor of--they could put into expansion. Thats why.
Oh you poor pathetic moron. Ford imports parts from country X. You don't think they build cars? Grow up dumbfuck.
Yet your blob continues to make trade deals with everyone--TACO. Sure. He does. According to your blob...he's doing a great job.

Before tariffs cars were imported, after tariffs corporations are building plants here, its not that difficult to understand.

MSN

23 mega companies promise billions under Trump to build the US economy​

Hmmm..early it was $200B. Now it's $350.
Why don't you just admit it...you're just pulling numbers out of thin air.
BTW... whatever the tariff windfall for the government is...that revenue is tax revenue...higher costs that are passed on to consumers.

Bessent Claims Tariff Revenues Will ‘Start Paying Down the Debt’ | The Fiscal Times

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Tuesday that tariff revenues could be higher than expected this year, and the money collected could be used t

www.thefiscaltimes.com

Bessent provided no further details on how high he thinks tariff revenues could go. The U.S. collected about $28 billion in customs duties in July, a big jump from the $8 billion collected in July a year ago. If that monthly level of revenue were to continue, the annual total would come to about $350 billion.

At best , you're a worthless human being; not "great" at anything.
You have zero idea what you're talking about and just believe anything the blob says.

I provide proof for my claims. You just type TDS nonsense.

 

[candycorn]

Biden added $8T, we'll see how Trump does, should be much less than Biden.

Well, Biden had Covid to deal with. You can't use the excuse in one instance then not allow it another you moron.

Your blob, this time around, doesn't have a pandemic to mismanage.

Anyway...are you saying he's going to run up another trillion dollars of red ink?

 

[kyzr]

Well, Biden had Covid to deal with. You can't use the excuse in one instance then not allow it another you moron.

I said Trump had the SHUTDOWN to deal with, Biden did not, Biden always had tax revenue.
Trump used "Operation Warp Speed" to develop the vaccine, Biden just had to distribute it.

Your blob, this time around, doesn't have a pandemic to mismanage.

Thank God Trump was there to develop the vaccine and manufacture it in record time. Just imagine the disaster if senile Joe Biden or stupid Kamala was in the WH.

Anyway...are you saying he's going to run up another trillion dollars of red ink?

If the BBB gets incorporated into appropriations bills the CBO projects a $2.4T add to the debt in 10-years, so in 4-years the debt add should be about $960b. However, we don't know if the democrats will force ACA subsidies back into the budget, or if congress will put the DOGE savings of $200b into law, or if the Fed will continue to cut interest rates. I'll say Trump-47 will add less than $1T, unless he stops the dems from requiring more spending, such as if the dems take back the House in 2026.

 

[TimFitz]

From the horses mouth...

H.R. 1, One Big Beautiful Bill Act (Dynamic Estimate)

As passed by the House of Representatives on May 22, 2025

www.cbo.gov

The Congressional Budget Office and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) previously reported that H.R. 1, the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, as passed by the House of Representatives on May 22, would increase the primary deficit by $2.4 trillion over the 2025-2034 period.[1] That estimate reflects a $3.7 trillion reduction in revenues and a $1.3 trillion reduction in noninterest outlay

Thank you for making my point. Again.

 

[TimFitz]

I said Trump had the SHUTDOWN to deal with, Biden did not, Biden always had tax revenue.
Trump used "Operation Warp Speed" to develop the vaccine, Biden just had to distribute it.

Thank God Trump was there to develop the vaccine and manufacture it in record time. Just imagine the disaster if senile Joe Biden or stupid Kamala was in the WH.

If the BBB gets incorporated into appropriations bills the CBO projects a $2.4T add to the debt in 10-years, so in 4-years the debt add should be about $960b. However, we don't know if the democrats will force ACA subsidies back into the budget, or if congress will put the DOGE savings of $200b into law, or if the Fed will continue to cut interest rates. I'll say Trump-47 will add less than $1T, unless he stops the dems from requiring more spending, such as if the dems take back the House in 2026.

From your own links, Trump has already added another $3,4 trillion to the national debt.

Most of that money was handed to the military industrial complex, and the army of ICE thugs terrorizing the public.

Doge saving are mythological.

The ACA subsidies are going ba k in the mix. Taco will cave.

 

[TimFitz]

I said Trump had the SHUTDOWN to deal with, Biden did not, Biden always had tax revenue.
Trump used "Operation Warp Speed" to develop the vaccine, Biden just had to distribute it.

Thank God Trump was there to develop the vaccine and manufacture it in record time. Just imagine the disaster if senile Joe Biden or stupid Kamala was in the WH.

If the BBB gets incorporated into appropriations bills the CBO projects a $2.4T add to the debt in 10-years, so in 4-years the debt add should be about $960b. However, we don't know if the democrats will force ACA subsidies back into the budget, or if congress will put the DOGE savings of $200b into law, or if the Fed will continue to cut interest rates. I'll say Trump-47 will add less than $1T, unless he stops the dems from requiring more spending, such as if the dems take back the House in 2026.

Trump shut the government down on himself……..twice.

 

[NetJedi]

How long can the shutdown last? A month? Two months?

We have two entrenched/obstinate political parties, neither willing to compromise.

The military and other "essential workers" get screwed by having their paychecks held up, but their bills aren't.

Here is one possibility:
1. Sen. Thune re-writes the senate rules for shutdowns, that if a shutdown lasts longer than 14-days, a clean CR can be passed by a simple majority.

2. If that CR expires, appropriations bills can also be passed with a simple majority.

The United States of America should not be held hostage by either political party. The senate majority, with the VP breaking ties, should be able to pass a budget.

Good idea, would end this shutdown derby nonsense once and for all.

... however given that it's a good, common sense idea the creatures in Washington won't implement it, they're only interested in bad ideas and worse ideas.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump had the shutdown to deal with, Biden just pissed money away on nonsense. The shutdown was over.

Would you like to guess when the 2.2 TRILLION dollar CARES Act was passed and who the President was?

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Thank God Trump was there to develop the vaccine and manufacture it in record time. Just imagine the disaster if senile Joe Biden or stupid Kamala was in the WH.

Trump didn't do squat.

#1 mRNA vaccines had been in development since 1989. It was private industry that brought the vaccines to bear, not Trump.

#2 Pence is the one that headed up the acceleration of manufacture and distribution for which I'll always give him credit. Trump couldn't be bothered with such details as - gasp - logistics.

WW

 

[hadit]

Make filibusters mean what they were originally intended to mean.

I have no interest in seeing someone remain standing for hours on end without water or taking a break. The whole idea of that is moronic.

What I'm talking about is this: When a bill gets filibustered, the whole Senate shuts down until either the filibuster is withdrawn or a cloture is passed. Meaning that they don't go home. Meaning that no other legislation gets passed. Meaning that SS checks don't go out if there is no funding. The Army doesn't get funded.

This should be codified in the Constitution (along with a great many other measures) to ensure that future Senates do not change the rule. Set the cloture at 75 votes--super majority.

Then you will see, gasp...politicians bargaining with one another; trading votes, etc... The way it used to work back when we were building the greatest nation to ever inhabit the planet.

Its a small move on a much larger chessboard but it's necessary.

I wouldn't mind a provision that Senators and Representatives don't get paid as long as a shutdown lasts.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I wouldn't mind a provision that Senators and Representatives don't get paid as long as a shutdown lasts.

A majority of the members of Congress are millionaires, they won't care.

WW

 

[kyzr]

From your own links, Trump has already added another $3,4 trillion to the national debt.
Most of that money was handed to the military industrial complex, and the army of ICE thugs terrorizing the public.
Doge saving are mythological.
The ACA subsidies are going back in the mix. Taco will cave.

Trump's first budget starts 10/01/2025. I believe Biden gets tagged with any borrowing thru September.
If Biden didn't open the borders to 12,000,000 illegals, ICE wouldn't have to track them down and deport them.
DOGE savings are only real if congress does their recommendations
I hope that you are wrong about the ACA subsidies, time will tell.

 

[kyzr]

Trump shut the government down on himself……..twice.

...I was discussing shutting down the economy

 

[kyzr]

Would you like to guess when the 2.2 TRILLION dollar CARES Act was passed and who the President was?
WW

Which is why Trump-45 had the same $8T add to the debt as Joe Biden, plus Trump had no revenue coming in when the US economy was shut down. A double-whammy.

https://www.thestreet.com/dictionary/what-is-cares-act-is-it-still-in-effect

The CARES Act, or the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act, was the U.S. government’s response to this unprecedented economic crisis spurred by the COVID-19 pandemic. Congress passed the Act on March 25, 2020, and it was signed into law by President Donald Trump on March 27, 2020.
CARES was a mammoth $2.2 trillion relief package that provided direct payments to millions of American families and forgivable loans to small businesses and corporations, among other things.