A very serious thread about race relations

[theDoctorisIn]

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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He sure is leading by example, isn't he?

Must be another pledge drive going on.

Still trying to gin up some followers, I see.

A lonely bully isn't that impressive, even in elementary school.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Whiner, meet whiner.

I know you guys think that constantly bringing up my position on staff is some magic bullet, but you're just making fools of yourselves.

If you have a substantive response, share it. Whining about me being a moderator isn't a substantive response.

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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Please stop whining, it makes you look even more like a child. You don't own this thread, and you dont get to decide who gets to post in it.

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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No.

Now that we've gotten that over with, are you going to defend yourself, or should I just assume that my initial conclusions were spot on?

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.

Oh, and please believe whatever you're going to believe, thanks.
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Your inability to make a point, and your subsequent concession is noted.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I think there are certainly some similarities when it comes to fundamentalists, and I'm definitely beginning to believe that you have to find a way to do an end run around them if you want to improve anything. Find a path of lower resistance, gain some momentum, and then drag them kicking and screaming to the light.
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Idiocracy -- coming soon to a web site near you.

If their numbers weren't growing so fast, I would agree, but at this point, it is hopeless. Liberalism is now dead as a door nail, and has been replaced by this snarling brand of goose stepping ultra-conformity. .

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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Please stop whining, it makes you look even more like a child. You don't own this thread, and you dont get to decide who gets to post in it.

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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No.

Now that we've gotten that over with, are you going to defend yourself, or should I just assume that my initial conclusions were spot on?

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.

Oh, and please believe whatever you're going to believe, thanks.
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For some it's all "their" fault.

Those guys, over there.

You can't communicate with zealots, hence my point in post 192.
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This entire thread is based around the premise that race relations are all "the left's" fault. You said it yourself.

 

[Correll]

I know some individuals, but as long as we have a media that magnifies differences instead of encouraging commonalities, race relations will only deteriorate.

When an authoritarian brand of identity politics replaced liberalism as the guiding principle of the left, the die was cast. Liberalism encourages a color-blind society while this new leftist authoritarianism is all about color.

Ignoring race and racism isn't going to magically make race relations better.

You guys really don't get it, do you?

"You guys"? I am an individual who thinks as an individual, and expresses my opinions as an individual.

I realize that is an alien concept to you, but you should try it some time. .

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

That a lot of people have reached the same conclusion, doesn't make it wrong.


And calling himself an individual is not the same as being a snowflake. That was unfair.

"You guys"? I am an individual who thinks as an individual, and expresses my opinions as an individual.

I realize that is an alien concept to you, but you should try it some time. .

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

I doubt that you have read ANY history books. You are just a simpleton forever stuck in the acting-out phase in your life.

Blah, blah blah. You've already proven your ability to get flustered and start lashing out with insults. We're all so impressed.

I'm open to the possibility that my conclusions are false. But you haven't yet given me any reason to believe that they are.

Your mis-characterization of his position was pretty insulting and quite rude.

Make up your mind.

Did I mischaracterize his position, or is he "not wrong"?

There is no conflict between the two.

Both of those statements stand. If you have anything of substance to reply to them with, you are welcome to do so.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Still trying to gin up some followers, I see.

A lonely bully isn't that impressive, even in elementary school.

Aren't you same one who once threatened me by saying that you were allowed to do anything you want to anybody you want, here?

 

[Correll]

It may be that there is a desire for improved race relations under the surface for some, I just don't see it.

I don't see a connection between these behaviors and anything that could be construed as constructive.
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Maybe when people stop broad brushing "the other"....there will be improvement. When we realize we can sit down, share a meal, have a conversation about our kids...and realize we're not so different after all. It comes down to basic respect for each other.

I heard this guy on Ted Talks I think....really impressive....
A black man's quixotic quest to quell the racism of the KKK, one robe at a time

That's it. That's my argument. Communication.

Whether it's business or personal relationships or politics or race, once communication breaks down, it's over.

You go to the doctor and refuse to tell him what's wrong. He checks you out and refuses to tell you what he's found. No communication. What's the result?

There is none now, and here we are.
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Nonsense. There's plenty of "communication" going on now. Perhaps you're not taking part in it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I don't count screaming, insulting and accusations as "communication". That's for people like you.

Working out great, too, thanks a lot.
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Give me an example of this "screaming, insulting and accusations" that you believe is so damaging to "race relations", on a national scale.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Ignoring race and racism isn't going to magically make race relations better.

You guys really don't get it, do you?

"You guys"? I am an individual who thinks as an individual, and expresses my opinions as an individual.

I realize that is an alien concept to you, but you should try it some time. .

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

That a lot of people have reached the same conclusion, doesn't make it wrong.


And calling himself an individual is not the same as being a snowflake. That was unfair.

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

I doubt that you have read ANY history books. You are just a simpleton forever stuck in the acting-out phase in your life.

Blah, blah blah. You've already proven your ability to get flustered and start lashing out with insults. We're all so impressed.

I'm open to the possibility that my conclusions are false. But you haven't yet given me any reason to believe that they are.

Your mis-characterization of his position was pretty insulting and quite rude.

Make up your mind.

Did I mischaracterize his position, or is he "not wrong"?

There is no conflict between the two.

Both of those statements stand. If you have anything of substance to reply to them with, you are welcome to do so.

So, you're saying that he is correct to believe that any perceived problems with "race relations" are the fault of those whiny uppity blacks, but it's also somehow a "mischaracterization" to say so?

You're talking in circles.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Still trying to gin up some followers, I see.

A lonely bully isn't that impressive, even in elementary school.

Aren't you same one who once threatened me by saying that you were allowed to do anything you want to anybody you want, here?

No, I don't believe I said anything of the sort.

 

[petro]

I don't count screaming, insulting and accusations as "communication". That's for people like you.

Working out great, too, thanks a lot.
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Give me an example of this "screaming, insulting and accusations" that you believe is so damaging to "race relations", on a national scale.

Pretty much every protest by the left. Literally every thread by a progressive.
The entire left wing media that attempts to portray half the country as racist due to their support of Trump and even the constant portrayal of any conservative as bigoted. All of this shuts down two way communication.
Again. Respect is never gained through accusations and blame.

I asked for an example, not mindless broadbrushing. Be specific. Show us quotes.

Gave it to you. Nothing broadbrushed about it. Here is the key. I never have to think like you and that is what the left truly hates.

No, you didn't give me anything. You made wild claims about "the entire left wing", and didn't supply a single actual example.

I'll try to put it as simply as possible.

Please, give me an example of someone, on a national level, "screaming, insulting or accusing" in relation to race relations in this country.

No point turning on the light for the blind.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Give me an example of this "screaming, insulting and accusations" that you believe is so damaging to "race relations", on a national scale.

Pretty much every protest by the left. Literally every thread by a progressive.
The entire left wing media that attempts to portray half the country as racist due to their support of Trump and even the constant portrayal of any conservative as bigoted. All of this shuts down two way communication.
Again. Respect is never gained through accusations and blame.

I asked for an example, not mindless broadbrushing. Be specific. Show us quotes.

Gave it to you. Nothing broadbrushed about it. Here is the key. I never have to think like you and that is what the left truly hates.

No, you didn't give me anything. You made wild claims about "the entire left wing", and didn't supply a single actual example.

I'll try to put it as simply as possible.

Please, give me an example of someone, on a national level, "screaming, insulting or accusing" in relation to race relations in this country.

No point turning on the light for the blind.

So you don't have an example. As expected.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No, I don't believe I said anything of the sort.

It was in a p.m. right after you called me a Nazi in the clean debate forum and then kicked me out when I objected.

You have probably been taking too many drugs with all those satanist friends of yours to remember properly.

 

[Correll]

"You guys"? I am an individual who thinks as an individual, and expresses my opinions as an individual.

I realize that is an alien concept to you, but you should try it some time. .

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

That a lot of people have reached the same conclusion, doesn't make it wrong.


And calling himself an individual is not the same as being a snowflake. That was unfair.

I doubt that you have read ANY history books. You are just a simpleton forever stuck in the acting-out phase in your life.

Blah, blah blah. You've already proven your ability to get flustered and start lashing out with insults. We're all so impressed.

I'm open to the possibility that my conclusions are false. But you haven't yet given me any reason to believe that they are.

Your mis-characterization of his position was pretty insulting and quite rude.

Make up your mind.

Did I mischaracterize his position, or is he "not wrong"?

There is no conflict between the two.

Both of those statements stand. If you have anything of substance to reply to them with, you are welcome to do so.

So, you're saying that he is correct to believe that any perceived problems with "race relations" are the fault of those whiny uppity blacks, but it's also somehow a "mischaracterization" to say so?

You're talking in circles.

To start, I challenge you to post the quote where he said that.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No point turning on the light for the blind.

If you have ever seen his face, it's easy to understand why he keeps the lights off.

 

[Mac1958]

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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Please stop whining, it makes you look even more like a child. You don't own this thread, and you dont get to decide who gets to post in it.

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.
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No.

Now that we've gotten that over with, are you going to defend yourself, or should I just assume that my initial conclusions were spot on?

Please stop trolling my thread, we've had some interesting conversations here, thanks.

Oh, and please believe whatever you're going to believe, thanks.
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Your inability to make a point, and your subsequent concession is noted.

Yes, thank you.
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[Mac1958]

...and yet, you parrot the same exact same talking points as thousands of other old white men who consider themselves to be "above" racism, but think that everything was just fine back before black people started whining about how much it sucks for them.

You're not a unique snowflake. I've heard your arguments before - in fact, I've read them in history books.

That a lot of people have reached the same conclusion, doesn't make it wrong.


And calling himself an individual is not the same as being a snowflake. That was unfair.

Blah, blah blah. You've already proven your ability to get flustered and start lashing out with insults. We're all so impressed.

I'm open to the possibility that my conclusions are false. But you haven't yet given me any reason to believe that they are.

Your mis-characterization of his position was pretty insulting and quite rude.

Make up your mind.

Did I mischaracterize his position, or is he "not wrong"?

There is no conflict between the two.

Both of those statements stand. If you have anything of substance to reply to them with, you are welcome to do so.

So, you're saying that he is correct to believe that any perceived problems with "race relations" are the fault of those whiny uppity blacks, but it's also somehow a "mischaracterization" to say so?

You're talking in circles.

To start, I challenge you to post the quote where he said that.

Regressives are liars.

Waste of time.
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[theDoctorisIn]

No, I don't believe I said anything of the sort.

It was in a p.m. right after you called me a Nazi in the clean debate forum and then kicked me out when I objected.

You have probably been taking too many drugs with all those satanist friends of yours to remember properly.

I was wondering when you'd bring up "Satanists" again. Honestly, I expected it to come earlier. You're quite predictable.

That PM you're referencing doesn't exist.

I've had exactly two PM exchanges with you, and in neither of them did I declare that I could "do anything I wanted".

 

[Mac1958]

Must be another pledge drive going on.

The troll is trying to hijack the thread. It happens. So, back to the conversation.

There was a conversation earlier here about how hyper-sensitive both "sides" of this issue are to outside criticism, and how it's likely that the only way forward may be to demand that each "side" clean its own house.

I'm believing that more and more. You?
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[Dogmaphobe]

That PM you're referencing doesn't exist.

I've had exactly two PM exchanges with you, and in neither of them did I declare that I could "do anything I wanted".

So, the words "I can, if I want to, stop you from posting here" don't ring a bell?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Must be another pledge drive going on.

The troll is trying to hijack the thread. It happens. So, back to the conversation.

There was a conversation earlier here about how hyper-sensitive both "sides" of this issue are to outside criticism, and how it's likely that the only way forward may be to demand that each "side" clean its own house.

I'm believing that more and more. You?
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oh, yes.

I have seen a greater inclination from conservatives to distance themselves from the actual nazis and kkk types than I have the left, however. I don't think I have ever seen a lefty challenge any of extreme black racists who post here, but I HAVE seen it from the conservatives.