A thread to explain USMB Zionists

[Beelzebub]

Where are the coordinates of the land that Israel claimed?

If any part of a state can claim independence now, how would there be any issue in residence claiming any territory?

Where do you get the cheek to suggest that European invaders have more right to the land than the people who have lived on it in continuity, for hundreds, maybe thousands of years?

In the end Rocco, your claim is nonsense and has no foundation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The All Palestinian Government (APG) cannot declare independence over territory that was already declared independent by the Israelis. They could not do it then and they cannot do it now.

Have you learnt yet that Palestine was not mentioned in the treaties you claim gave it borders and made it a nation. Have you learnt yet that Palestine as a nation never existed until 1988

What makes the 1988 declaration more valid than the 1948 declaration?

(COMMENT)

The 1988 Declaration did not cover any sovereign territory already declared independent by the Israelis.

BIG difference.

Most Respectfully,
R

They didn't.

 

[RoccoR]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], et al,

Who are you trying to kid?

P F Tinmore, et al,

The All Palestinian Government (APG) cannot declare independence over territory that was already declared independent by the Israelis. They could not do it then and they cannot do it now.

What makes the 1988 declaration more valid than the 1948 declaration?

(COMMENT)

The 1988 Declaration did not cover any sovereign territory already declared independent by the Israelis.

BIG difference.

Most Respectfully,
R

They didn't.

(OBSERVATION)

28 September 1948

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

SOURCE: A/C.1/330 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that this declaration:

• Happened four (4) months after Israel declared independence.
• That this declaration claims all the territory under the former Mandate and passed into the trusteeship of the UN.
• And that it was not done in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" through the Partition Plan.

The Israeli War of Independence and the subsequent Arab Invasion (external interference) was over this very issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

Where do you get the cheek to suggest that European invaders have more right to the land than the people who have lived on it in continuity, for hundreds, maybe thousands of years?

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
Squatting-settling arabs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], et al,

Who are you trying to kid?

P F Tinmore, et al,

The All Palestinian Government (APG) cannot declare independence over territory that was already declared independent by the Israelis. They could not do it then and they cannot do it now.


(COMMENT)

The 1988 Declaration did not cover any sovereign territory already declared independent by the Israelis.

BIG difference.

Most Respectfully,
R

They didn't.

(OBSERVATION)

28 September 1948

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

SOURCE: A/C.1/330 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that this declaration:

• Happened four (4) months after Israel declared independence.
• That this declaration claims all the territory under the former Mandate and passed into the trusteeship of the UN.
• And that it was not done in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" through the Partition Plan.

The Israeli War of Independence and the subsequent Arab Invasion (external interference) was over this very issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

 

[Daniyel]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], et al,

Who are you trying to kid?

They didn't.

(OBSERVATION)

28 September 1948

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

SOURCE: A/C.1/330 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that this declaration:

• Happened four (4) months after Israel declared independence.
• That this declaration claims all the territory under the former Mandate and passed into the trusteeship of the UN.
• And that it was not done in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" through the Partition Plan.

The Israeli War of Independence and the subsequent Arab Invasion (external interference) was over this very issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

 

[Daniyel]

By the way the partition plan was 1 year BEFORE..1947..

 

[P F Tinmore]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], et al,

Who are you trying to kid?


(OBSERVATION)



(COMMENT)

I think you will find that this declaration:

• Happened four (4) months after Israel declared independence.
• That this declaration claims all the territory under the former Mandate and passed into the trusteeship of the UN.
• And that it was not done in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" through the Partition Plan.

The Israeli War of Independence and the subsequent Arab Invasion (external interference) was over this very issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

 

[Daniyel]

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

EXCUSE ME?!
HALF?! Please post the map yourself and tell me if this is either half or either a Palestinians country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

EXCUSE ME?!
HALF?! Please post the map yourself and tell me if this is either half or either a Palestinians country.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There are several pieces of evidence I could point to that suggest you may be in error.

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

(OBSERVATION IN PLAIN TEXT)

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

2. The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission; which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent co-ordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.

SOURCE: Part I, Section B, STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE, A/RES/181(II) 29 November 1947

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem.

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.

SOURCE: A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

SOURCE: A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988

Note:

It should be noted that in Resolution adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 67/19 (2012) Status of Palestine, wherein The General Assembly decided "to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;" it ALSO cited:

• "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"

(COMMENT)

Yeah, for a "Resolution 181 did not happen" (P F Tinmore, supra), it sure gets around.

It happened alright, but the outcome was changed by the unlawful invasion of Arab Forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Daniyel]

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

EXCUSE ME?!
HALF?! Please post the map yourself and tell me if this is either half or either a Palestinians country.

I dont know why you are so confused.
I don't see how in 47 there is a Palestinian Country when they refuse to the most equal split when they actually deserve NONE.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There are several pieces of evidence I could point to that suggest you may be in error.

The partition plan? the one the Palestinians refused? what about it?

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

(OBSERVATION IN PLAIN TEXT)

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine
with its capital at Jerusalem.

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.

SOURCE: A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

SOURCE: A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988

Note:

It should be noted that in Resolution adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 67/19 (2012) Status of Palestine, wherein The General Assembly decided "to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;" it ALSO cited:

• "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"

(COMMENT)

Yeah, for a "Resolution 181 did not happen" (P F Tinmore, supra), it sure gets around.

Indeed, people have pointed to resolution 181 over the years to pretend to have some legitimacy. However, none of it was done by the Security Council as part of the implementation process.

It happened alright, but the outcome was changed by the unlawful invasion of Arab Forces.

I have seen no evidence of Arab forces actually invading Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

By pre-arrangement, the UNPC was the Successor Government and the UNSC Representative.

Indeed, people have pointed to resolution 181 over the years to pretend to have some legitimacy. However, none of it was done by the Security Council as part of the implementation process.

(COMMENT)

The UNPC was the Security Council Action Arm in Palestine. The Security Council doesn't actually leave New York, it has a representative in the field.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION], et al,

Who are you trying to kid?

They didn't.

(OBSERVATION)

28 September 1948

I HAVE THE HONOR TO INFORM YOUR EXCELLENCY THAT IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES AS ESTABLISHED BEFORE THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE AN INDEPENDENT STATE AND CONSTITUTED A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE NAME OF THE ALL-PALESTINE GOVERNMENT DERIVING ITS AUTHORITY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE COUNCIL BASED ON DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES AND AIMING TO SAFEGUARD THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND FOREIGNERS PROTECT THE HOLY PLACES AND GUARANTEE FREEDOM OF WORSHIP TO ALL COMMUNITIES

AHMED HILMI PASHA
PREMIER AND ACTING FOREIGN SECRETARY​

SOURCE: A/C.1/330 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that this declaration:

• Happened four (4) months after Israel declared independence.
• That this declaration claims all the territory under the former Mandate and passed into the trusteeship of the UN.
• And that it was not done in accordance with the "Step Preparatory to Independence" through the Partition Plan.

The Israeli War of Independence and the subsequent Arab Invasion (external interference) was over this very issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

So?
They did.
There was no partition plan.
Respectively.

What do you mean 'so'?

You once again got caught lying about how the Palestinians DIDN'T declare independence on land that Israel already declared independence on.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that??

 

[toastman]

Sure, no problem. We have all heard statements like this about the 1948 war a gazillion times:

Five Arab armies attacked Israel, the Arabs lost, and Israel won land.

Actually there are three lies in this whopper.

1) I have seen no evidence that any of those Arab armies actually entered Israel.

2) The fighting ended when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. Nobody lost that war.

3) The international borders of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained unchanged by the war. None of them lost any land.

Just because you don't believe it does not make it fact

Only because the remaining arab armies were getting beaten to a pulp after Jordam withdrew

The borders of Palestine disappeared once Jordan, Syria and Iraq were formed within them

Of course you can back up what you say?

Not!

Oh please Tinmore. You are the KING of not backing up your claims.
You post documents that are don't back up your statements and then you say "but look, I posted documents!"

As for the 1948 war, you don't need to enter a country in order to attack them.
How stupid can someone be to say that 5 Arab armies didn't attack Israel?
But then again, you are a liar who likes to re write history.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There are several pieces of evidence I could point to that suggest you may be in error.

The partition plan was for the Palestinians to sign half of their country over to foreigners. Of course they wouldn't do it. No other country in the world would do that. Nobody else had the authority to take that land and give it away.

The Security Council did not implement the plan. Resolution 181 did not happen.

(OBSERVATION IN PLAIN TEXT)





Note:

It should be noted that in Resolution adopted by the General Assembly Resolution 67/19 (2012) Status of Palestine, wherein The General Assembly decided "to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations, without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice;" it ALSO cited:

• "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"

(COMMENT)

Yeah, for a "Resolution 181 did not happen" (P F Tinmore, supra), it sure gets around.

Indeed, people have pointed to resolution 181 over the years to pretend to have some legitimacy. However, none of it was done by the Security Council as part of the implementation process.

It happened alright, but the outcome was changed by the unlawful invasion of Arab Forces.

I have seen no evidence of Arab forces actually invading Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Again with the same lie Tinmore. If 181 didn't have any legitimacy, then why did the Palestinians use it to declare independence in 1988?

 

[Billo_Really]

Okies here we go.
1.Israel lying? - Never seen any record of Israel lying, maybe anyone mind pointing it out? -

That's a lie right there.

You said Hamas was responsible for the deaths of the 3 teens, but you've never produced any evidence proving it. So you lied.

Every time you blame someone else, for the shit things you do, is a lie.

However, totalitarianism regime is common in 90% of the Arab Muslim states, Israel always been democracy fighting to secure liberty of all citizens, the eternal proof is the minorities elected to the Knesset, unless someone mind to disprove it or point how Israel is a totalitarian regime..which is not.

Let me spell this out for you junior, you cannot have a country for only one group of people and not prejudice the people who are not part of that group. It cannot be done.

Arabs may be part on the Knesset, but they can't run for PM. In addition to that, you have Jew-only roads, Jew-only communities and apartheid laws that reduce Israeli-Arabs, to 2nd class citizens, like your Nakba Law.

2.I can start a big discussion about this one, but just for disproving it, American Journalist in Occupied Territory - Is that against the freedom of press like every totalitarian regime? nah we know its not, is America against the freedom of press? neither..

This is so disjointed, I can't figure out what your point is here.

3. Small kids in Gaza baited by Israeli soldiers, small kids in Khan Younis? I don't think Hamas trained terrorist can stand F16 shelling and the usually pop out of the tunnels like mushrooms after the rain if they live but small kids can survive and wonder in Khan Younis for 14 days(Any soldier entering Gaza) after continuing shelling regardless of the warnings to evacuate this areas? Impossible, huge lie.

Another disjointed statement. You can't draw conclusions from those.

4.Armored Jeeps never took part in Gaza due to the wreckage, only D9 and Tanks were used so far in the operation and its they doesn't include speakers, he probably refer to Border Police Jeeps (Karakal) or the IDF relative Zeev but both never entered Gaza because it is known landmines can destroy them, most soldiers entered in armored vehicles called Nagmash (Namer) or by foot after D9 opened the road and cleared it from landmines, sadly the 5 Golani soldiers were killed right when they stepped out of the Namer, so considering lighter armored jeeps in Gaza is against ALL ODDS because they are not immune to RPG or landmines, which makes it impossible to spot one in Gaza.

Nothing but conjecture on your part. Doesn't prove shit.

5. - Continue 4 - Another point is why Israeli soldiers baited the mysterious kids by swearing them in Arabic? Okie lets accept it is possible they would get pissed and throw rocks on the soldiers, the biggest size of rock a 10 year old kid can throw is about 1 kg? Its irrational to think they will, unless they are making another photo for the press (after all he SAW that and didn't got shot right?) - anyway this is a huge lie, I can go on disproving it but I think its enough, if some think its not - go ahead and disprove my answer first.

"...lets accept..." "...lets accept..."?

How about, let's not accept you responding to rock throwing kids (you provoked in the first place) with deadly force? Let's not accept that!

6. - Continue 4,5 - Since we all know its a lie, how can he claim Israel consider it as "kids caught in crossfire"? - It is murder/killing and even the honest mistake result in punishment by Israel Authorities/Law.

No we don't all know its a lie.

The "lie" is you claiming the kids were caught in a crossfire when the reality is, you deliberately targeted them and shot them in cold blood.

7. So he must be Iron man to survive this kind of bombardment..

More bullshit conjecture that doesn't prove shit.

8. I'm too lazy to gather evidence but I'll provide if you ask - many houses in Gaza tied with explosives as traps, any possibility of booby-trapped house by the IDF formula goes like this, D9 flat the area(sometimes not depend on the situation but this one is the ideal) -> Dogs sniffing for explosives -> Sappers... which make it unlikely that IDF will randomly demolish home just to to create a wall to trap all the forces inside and create a possible situation when IDF trapped between wall and terrorists, or make it more obvious where the troops hide - unlikely.

You left out the "johnnies"!

Why did you leave out the "johnnies"?

9. Investigation is being made, he said its Israel, whatever.
10. Investigation is being made, he said its Israel, whatever.

Israeli investigations are bullshit fakes.

11. Enjoy. 1 - 2 - Same event different view.. - 3 - All those truth seekers, they deserve a medal! - Shooting within civilians is illegal - last time I checked.
12.Maybe, 1 - 2 - I don't want to go on with this, anyway I think my point is made here.

You show 3 different videos of the same rocket launch?

What a fuckin' dolt!

13.Israel ALWAYS blamed Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Fatah for the situation in Gaza, every incident is Hamas responsibility - not just "uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public" - pretty words, here in Israel we don't give a **** if some Hamas voter home demolished, I'm saying it loud and clear, it is ALL HAMAS RESPONSIBILITY. - Lets continue from this point.

No, we will not continue from this point.

Here we have a paradox too beautiful to pass up. A "lie" and a "truth", fused into one statement.

You don't give a **** about civilians, but want us to believe it's Hamas fault when you target people "you don't give a **** about"!​

Yeah, that should be said loud and clear, over and over, again and again.

14.The same Terrorists abuse children and teenagers promising them comfort in paradise for killing innocents? - Oh he is talking about Israel, right.

Take that condescending sarcasm and stick it where your gafilda fish swim.

15.Here in Israel we always desire to know the truth, I said it before, and I'll say it again - Israel secure the liberty and rights of EVERYONE - including the most left extremists that usually push camera to soldier face in checkpoints on daily basis, I can list all these organizations but for example B'Tzelem.

You don't want a camera in your face, get rid of those ******* checkpoints, asshole!

16.SO MANY VOICES OF JEWS - I can count them on one hand..anyway the majority of JEWS (racist don't you think Chris?) Are ZIONISTS - 16-17 million compared to..what? 1 million? even less than 10,000..and there voice mean nothing to us, the same way 16-17 million Jews voice mean nothing the Palestinians or any Hamas-Supporter.

People mean nothing to you, that's why you're inhuman.

17. Poor Gazans, 1,650 Palestinians including 500+ Terrorists who swore to kill Israel, sorry I couldn't care the less..btw Israel always warned the Palestinians not to test us, their fault..and no - we in the right wing - encourage Palestinians to leave Gaza, we don't want them here, not in the West Bank, and not anywhere close to Israel where they threat us and assault us on daily basis.

Well look who's trying to wipe who out?

22. The only cure for Terrorists is a bullet in their head, you advocate and support them - you are guilty as well.

How German of you?

It took me like an hour to write everything here, and this is my only respond here on the board, imagine how many readers agree with Chris without even hearing what WE have to say about it, this is why demonizing Israel prevent every possible peace solution, they keep telling them they are correct when they are not, the worse kind of lie to incite violence against us, may God take you all.

GFY. You need to realize the possibility exists, that God doesn't like you?

You see, God created humans. HE'S into "humanity", not inhumanity.

You dig inhumanity, so you're not into God.


Oh darling, it looks like Daniel,
must be the clouds in my eyes!

 

[Daniyel]

Arabs may be part on the Knesset, but they can't run for PM. In addition to that, you have Jew-only roads, Jew-only communities and apartheid laws that reduce Israeli-Arabs, to 2nd class citizens, like your Nakba Law.

Nope - wrong again its NOT JEW ONLY, its Israeli Versus Palestinian, regardless of religion, and this is democratic elections, they can be PM and everything they desire.
You always mistaken between Israeli Citizens and Civilians, Palestinians are not Israelis, however you got Israeli Arabs which are Israeli so stop bullshitting I'm so tired explaining this over and over again.

This is so disjointed, I can't figure out what your point is here.
Another disjointed statement. You can't draw conclusions from those.
Nothing but conjecture on your part. Doesn't prove shit.
"...lets accept..." "...lets accept..."?
How about, let's not accept you responding to rock throwing kids (you provoked in the first place) with deadly force? Let's not accept that!
No we don't all know its a lie.
The "lie" is you claiming the kids were caught in a crossfire when the reality is, you deliberately targeted them and shot them in cold blood.
More bullshit conjecture that doesn't prove shit.
You left out the "johnnies"!
Why did you leave out the "johnnies"?
Israeli investigations are bullshit fakes.

Here is the answers you gave to facts, except making a long list of I-think-I'm-funny kind of comments - YOU said NOTHING to disprove, for example - 'Armored Jeep Spotted in Gaza'
- IF IT WASN'T THERE HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY BE SPOTTED MORON?

You show 3 different videos of the same rocket launch?

2 From the same event in the Shifa Hospital.
1 From another shithole in Gaza I don't know precisely.

Here we have a paradox too beautiful to pass up. A "lie" and a "truth", fused into one statement.

You don't give a **** about civilians, but want us to believe it's Hamas fault when you target people "you don't give a **** about"!​

Yeah, that should be said loud and clear, over and over, again and again.

You keep taking my words out of context - I'm not tearing for dead civilians in Gaza because I know very well this could be the fate of Israel, that's ONE FACT.
Now who responsible for the deaths in Gaza? HAMAS. - NOT ISRAEL - FACT TWO.

You don't want a camera in your face, get rid of those ******* checkpoints, asshole!

So you agree we are not apartheid?

People mean nothing to you, that's why you're inhuman.

Israelis is my top priority, I'm willing to sacrifice my life for Israelis, but pity-ass people like you simply doesn't deserve it..now you get it?

GFY. You need to realize the possibility exists, that God doesn't like you?
You see, God created humans. HE'S into "humanity", not inhumanity.
You dig inhumanity, so you're not into God.

Let God decide so, and don't label God as "humanitarian" because God ain't such a fraud like you are, you go to hell, literally, and God created hell for people like you, God does like me because no matter how many times people tried to kill me - I'm still alive, I trust in God.

So if you want to talk about FACTS to disprove - go for it, if not, **** off I'm sick of you evading and dodging just to justify everything against Israel/Jews - you never bothered to criticize Hamas, "Mercy on the cruel and you'll end up cruel to the merciful." if you really want to change something in the world, go and protest against Hamas - Don't give us excuses to "genocide Palestinians"


PS. Daniyel means Judged by God in Hebrew, and right now with all the friendly neighbors we have I'm in the lions pit, you can swear you can hate, you can do whatever you want, it doesn't change anything.

 

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Nope - wrong again its NOT JEW ONLY, its Israeli Versus Palestinian, regardless of religion, and this is democratic elections, they can be PM and everything they desire.

The "Jew only roads" are in the West Bank, on land that isn't yours!

You always mistaken between Israeli Citizens and Civilians, Palestinians are not Israelis, however you got Israeli Arabs which are Israeli so stop bullshitting I'm so tired explaining this over and over again.

Palestinian's are not recognized in Israel.

That's apartheid!

Here is the answers you gave to facts, except making a long list of I-think-I'm-funny kind of comments - YOU said NOTHING to disprove, for example - 'Armored Jeep Spotted in Gaza'
- IF IT WASN'T THERE HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY BE SPOTTED MORON?

2 From the same event in the Shifa Hospital.
1 From another shithole in Gaza I don't know precisely..

I don't give a shit about your armored jeep!

I asked you a question about the "johnnies", are you going to answer it?

You keep taking my words out of context - I'm not tearing for dead civilians in Gaza because I know very well this could be the fate of Israel, that's ONE FACT..

You're so FOS!

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME, the "fate of Israel" is not even an issue.

Now who responsible for the deaths in Gaza? HAMAS. - NOT ISRAEL - FACT TWO..

No. You are. Like I said, you are too irresponsible to take ownership over the things you do. Or are you just a coward?

You pulled the trigger. You decided to shoot. That is YOUR fault!

So you agree we are not apartheid? .

No, we don't agree.

Let God decide so, and don't label God as "humanitarian" because God ain't such a fraud like you are, you go to hell, literally, and God created hell for people like you, God does like me because no matter how many times people tried to kill me - I'm still alive, I trust in God.

God is not a humanitarian? HE created humanity, but he's not a humanitarian?

Boy, you got some serious issues, dude.

So if you want to talk about FACTS to disprove - go for it, if not, **** off I'm sick of you evading and dodging just to justify everything against Israel/Jews - you never bothered to criticize Hamas, "Mercy on the cruel and you'll end up cruel to the merciful." if you really want to change something in the world, go and protest against Hamas - Don't give us excuses to "genocide Palestinians"

You think God likes you genociding Palestinian's?

PS. Daniyel means Judged by God in Hebrew, and right now with all the friendly neighbors we have I'm in the lions pit, you can swear you can hate, you can do whatever you want, it doesn't change anything.

That's because you don't want to change.