A thread to explain USMB Zionists

[Daniyel]

Wow so many bullshit again - try write it in the same post because people can miss all the important posts because of you

 

[Billo_Really]

1.I know alot about Zionism, and I can definitely tell whether its true or false, when someone lie about witnessing to mislead others with lies its called demonizing.
2.Reading the demonizing thread is pointless, and like Chris and Beelzebub that know nothing about Zionism to 'Explain' us.
3.I bother commenting to make sure nobody will determine who I am, except myself.
You should read the next posts, ask the questions later.. have you read them?

You said you didn't bother to read it, then you went on to comment on it. That's a little strange.


BTW, the article is right on the money.

You decided to attack Gaza, but say it's Hamas fault?

That's out there!

 

[Billo_Really]

Wow so many bullshit again - try write it in the same post because people can miss all the important posts because of you

They knew the 3 teens were dead from the phone call, but still went on this bogus search.

 

[Daniyel]

All governments lie, as I.F. Stone pointed out, including Israel and Hamas. But Israel engages in the kinds of jaw-dropping lies that characterize despotic and totalitarian regimes- 1. It does not deform the truth; it inverts it. It routinely paints a picture for the outside world that is diametrically opposed to reality. And all of us reporters who have covered the occupied territories have run into Israel’s Alice-in-Wonderland narratives, which we dutifully insert into our stories—required under the rules of American journalism—although we know they are untrue. - 2.

I saw small boys baited and killed by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza refugee camp of Khan Younis - 3. The soldiers swore at the boys in Arabic over the loudspeakers of their armored jeep - 4. The boys, about 10 years old, then threw stones at an Israeli vehicle and the soldiers opened fire, killing some, wounding others. - 5 , I was present more than once as Israeli troops drew out and shot Palestinian children in this way. Such incidents, in the Israeli lexicon, become children caught in crossfire - 6. I was in Gaza when F-16 attack jets dropped 1,000-pound iron fragmentation bombs on overcrowded hovels in Gaza City - 7. I saw the corpses of the victims, including children. This became a surgical strike on a bomb-making factory. I have watched Israel demolish homes and entire apartment blocks to create wide buffer zones between the Palestinians and the Israeli troops that ring Gaza - 8. I have interviewed the destitute and homeless families, some camped out in crude shelters erected in the rubble. The destruction becomes the demolition of the homes of terrorists. I have stood in the remains of schools—Israel struck two United Nations schools in the last six days - 9, causing at least 10 fatalities at one in Rafah on Sunday and at least 19 at one in the Jebaliya refugee camp Wednesday 10 —as well as medical clinics and mosques. I have heard Israel claim that errant rockets or mortar fire from the Palestinians caused these and other deaths, or that the attacked spots were being used as arms depots or launching sites. I, along with every other reporter I know who has worked in Gaza, have never seen any evidence that Hamas uses civilians as “human shields.” - 11.

There is a perverted logic to Israel’s repeated use of the Big Lie—Große Lüge—the lie favored by tyrants from Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin to Saddam Hussein. The Big Lie feeds the two reactions Israel seeks to elicit—racism among its supporters and terror among its victims.

By painting a picture of an army that never attacks civilians, that indeed goes out of its way to protect them, the Big Lie says Israelis are civilized and humane, and their Palestinian opponents are inhuman monsters - 12. The Big Lie serves the idea that the slaughter in Gaza is a clash of civilizations, a war between democracy, decency and honor on one side and Islamic barbarism on the other. And in the uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public, Israel blames the destruction and casualties on Hamas. - 13
George Orwell in his novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four” called this form of propaganda doublethink. Doublethink uses “logic against logic” and “repudiate morality while laying claim to it.” The Big Lie does not allow for the nuances and contradictions that can plague conscience. It is a state-orchestrated response to the dilemma of cognitive dissonance. The Big Lie permits no gray zones. The world is black and white, good and evil, righteous and unrighteous. The Big Lie allows believers to take comfort—a comfort they are desperately seeking—in their own moral superiority at the very moment they have abrogated all morality. - 14.

The Big Lie, as the father of American public relations, Edward Bernays, wrote, is limited only by the propagandist’s capacity to fathom and harness the undercurrents of individual and mass psychology. And since most supporters of Israel do not have a desire to know the truth, a truth that would force them to examine their own racism and self-delusions about Zionist and Western moral superiority, like packs of famished dogs they lap up the lies fed to them by the Israeli government. - 15 The Big Lie always finds fertile soil in what Bernays called the “logic-proof compartment of dogmatic adherence.” All effective propaganda, Bernays wrote, targets and builds upon these irrational “psychological habits.”

This is the world Franz Kafka envisioned, a world where the irrational becomes rational. It is one where, as Gustave Le Bon noted in “The Crowd: A Study of the Public Mind,” those who supply the masses with the illusions they crave become their master, and “whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” This irrationality explains why the reaction of Israeli supporters to those who have the courage to speak the truth—Uri Avnery, Max Blumenthal, Noam Chomsky, Jonathan Cook, Norman Finkelstein, Amira Hass, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé, Henry Siegman and Philip Weiss—is so rabid. That so many of these voices are Jewish, and therefore have more credibility than non-Jews who are among Israel’s cheerleaders, only ratchets up the level of hate.
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But the Big Lie is also consciously designed to send a chilling message to Gaza’s Palestinians, who have lost large numbers of their dwellings, clinics, mosques, and power, water and sewage facilities, along with schools and hospitals, who have suffered some 1,650 deaths since this assault began 17 —most of the victims women and children - 18 —and who have seen 400,000 people displaced from their homes. The Big Lie makes it clear to the Palestinians that Israel will continue to wage a campaign of state terror and will never admit its atrocities or its intentions. - 19 The vast disparity between what Israel says and what Israel does tells the Palestinians that there is no hope. Israel will do and say whatever it wants. International law, like the truth, will always be irrelevant. - 20, There will never, the Palestinians understand from the Big Lie, be an acknowledgement of reality by the Israeli leadership. - 21

Page 2: Chris Hedges: Why Israel Lies - Chris Hedges - Truthdig

That does indeed help to explain you lot.
Few couldn't possibly swallow the tales you take in then regurgitate, without a deep need to paint a fiction to replace your lost morality.

We will look for a cure for you. - 22

Okies here we go.
1.Israel lying? - Never seen any record of Israel lying, maybe anyone mind pointing it out? - However, totalitarianism regime is common in 90% of the Arab Muslim states, Israel always been democracy fighting to secure liberty of all citizens, the eternal proof is the minorities elected to the Knesset, unless someone mind to disprove it or point how Israel is a totalitarian regime..which is not.
2.I can start a big discussion about this one, but just for disproving it, American Journalist in Occupied Territory - Is that against the freedom of press like every totalitarian regime? nah we know its not, is America against the freedom of press? neither..
3. Small kids in Gaza baited by Israeli soldiers, small kids in Khan Younis? I don't think Hamas trained terrorist can stand F16 shelling and the usually pop out of the tunnels like mushrooms after the rain if they live but small kids can survive and wonder in Khan Younis for 14 days(Any soldier entering Gaza) after continuing shelling regardless of the warnings to evacuate this areas? Impossible, huge lie.
4.Armored Jeeps never took part in Gaza due to the wreckage, only D9 and Tanks were used so far in the operation and its they doesn't include speakers, he probably refer to Border Police Jeeps (Karakal) or the IDF relative Zeev but both never entered Gaza because it is known landmines can destroy them, most soldiers entered in armored vehicles called Nagmash (Namer) or by foot after D9 opened the road and cleared it from landmines, sadly the 5 Golani soldiers were killed right when they stepped out of the Namer, so considering lighter armored jeeps in Gaza is against ALL ODDS because they are not immune to RPG or landmines, which makes it impossible to spot one in Gaza.
5. - Continue 4 - Another point is why Israeli soldiers baited the mysterious kids by swearing them in Arabic? Okie lets accept it is possible they would get pissed and throw rocks on the soldiers, the biggest size of rock a 10 year old kid can throw is about 1 kg? Its irrational to think they will, unless they are making another photo for the press (after all he SAW that and didn't got shot right?) - anyway this is a huge lie, I can go on disproving it but I think its enough, if some think its not - go ahead and disprove my answer first.
6. - Continue 4,5 - Since we all know its a lie, how can he claim Israel consider it as "kids caught in crossfire"? - It is murder/killing and even the honest mistake result in punishment by Israel Authorities/Law.
7. So he must be Iron man to survive[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k42t9IRpaAE"] this kind of bombardment..[/ame]
8. I'm too lazy to gather evidence but I'll provide if you ask - many houses in Gaza tied with explosives as traps, any possibility of booby-trapped house by the IDF formula goes like this, D9 flat the area(sometimes not depend on the situation but this one is the ideal) -> Dogs sniffing for explosives -> Sappers... which make it unlikely that IDF will randomly demolish home just to to create a wall to trap all the forces inside and create a possible situation when IDF trapped between wall and terrorists, or make it more obvious where the troops hide - unlikely.
9. Investigation is being made, he said its Israel, whatever.
10. Investigation is being made, he said its Israel, whatever.
11. Enjoy.[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSPqxThEkdE"] 1 [/ame] -[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXdEWrN3IEw"] 2[/ame] - Same event different view.. - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coijJG_nvHY"]3[/ame] - All those truth seekers, they deserve a medal! - Shooting within civilians is illegal - last time I checked.
12.Maybe, [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U5-IVKe5QI&list=PLUs0YrAIQJ4lJywh4BuIYfTFL9xlcYL3c"]1 [/ame] - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02MrmuQjUg"]2[/ame] - I don't want to go on with this, anyway I think my point is made here.
13.Israel ALWAYS blamed Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Fatah for the situation in Gaza, every incident is Hamas responsibility - not just "uncommon cases when news of atrocities penetrates to the wider public" - pretty words, here in Israel we don't give a **** if some Hamas voter home demolished, I'm saying it loud and clear, it is ALL HAMAS RESPONSIBILITY. - Lets continue from this point.
14.The same Terrorists abuse children and teenagers promising them comfort in paradise for killing innocents? - Oh he is talking about Israel, right.
15.Here in Israel we always desire to know the truth, I said it before, and I'll say it again - Israel secure the liberty and rights of EVERYONE - including the most left extremists that usually push camera to soldier face in checkpoints on daily basis, I can list all these organizations but for example B'Tzelem.
16.SO MANY VOICES OF JEWS - I can count them on one hand..anyway the majority of JEWS (racist don't you think Chris?) Are ZIONISTS - 16-17 million compared to..what? 1 million? even less than 10,000..and there voice mean nothing to us, the same way 16-17 million Jews voice mean nothing the Palestinians or any Hamas-Supporter.
17. Poor Gazans, 1,650 Palestinians including 500+ Terrorists who swore to kill Israel, sorry I couldn't care the less..btw Israel always warned the Palestinians not to test us, their fault..and no - we in the right wing - encourage Palestinians to leave Gaza, we don't want them here, not in the West Bank, and not anywhere close to Israel where they threat us and assault us on daily basis.
18.Thank you [MENTION=44172]Sweet_Caroline[/MENTION] again for your wonderful work.
19. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2kua6KW8ZQ"]One year ago.[/ame][ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl1-4x8-59E"] Three weeks ago.[/ame] and..whatever.. - middle "conclusion" - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXxAdzSHyC4"]The Big Lie is the life in Gaza, made by Hamas.[/ame]
20. International Law and whatever, I'm not an expert [MENTION=25033]RoccoR[/MENTION] have the patience to explain every detail.
21. - Continue 19,20 - [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwN2M6ZIIRU"]The Big Lie is what the kids learn every day in Gaza.[/ame]
22. The only cure for Terrorists is a bullet in their head, you advocate and support them - you are guilty as well.


It took me like an hour to write everything here, and this is my only respond here on the board, imagine how many readers agree with Chris without even hearing what WE have to say about it, this is why demonizing Israel prevent every possible peace solution, they keep telling them they are correct when they are not, the worse kind of lie to incite violence against us, may God take you all.



Peace, Danny.

[MENTION=20411]ForeverYoung436[/MENTION]

Easy examples:

Claiming Hamas arranged the killing of the 3 hitchhiking settler boys.
Forgetting they had been reported as dead before the search to 'rescue them' killing 12 Palestinians in the process.
Using said lie as a pretext for attacking Hamas in Gaza.

Deceiving the Israeli public, international press on the 'kidnapping' of Hadar Goldin, such that world leaders were demanding Hamas release a man the IDF killed.
I have to admit, you made those world leaders look very silly indeed. So I don't hold that against you. But it was still a clear deception. ****! Even I knew they were lying before they announced his death.

When Hamas make public statements which are more credible than official IDF releases, you have got to wonder ...

You can see in my post a good list of Hamas lies, in the past and now, this doesn't make them more credible than the IDF since they lied before the kidnapping.
Conclusion = Hamas lies, IDF true.
Hadar Goldin body was dragged in a tunnel nearby the ambush set by Hamas during the ceasefire, he died inside the tunnel while the terrorists drag him, the IDF consider 'missing' or 'kidnapped' based on the investigation and early assumption because its necessary to take quick action in such occasions.
The investigation show that Hadar Goldin body parts found in the tunnel along with the blood on part of his cloths show that he couldn't survive it, therefore it took time until he considered fallen.. IDF didn't made any negotiation or demands about Hadar, the only statement was the operation will continue regardless of Hadar - since Hamas said they kidnapped him, but later on IDF found he died, the body still in the hands of Hamas, period.
The three teenagers were back from school hitchhiking when Marwan Quasme and Amar Abo Ayisha kidnapped them, they are 2 Hamas members inside Israel, therefore they belong to another organization - not the Military Wing, but it all happened under Hamas control, they also fled to Gaza via tunnel which made by Hamas - this is why it is Hamas fault.. when other terrorist organization take credit it doesn't mean its them, Hamas lie again and again, they feared Israel will begin operation inside Gaza, this is why they didn't took the responsibility "officially".
The killed Palestinians during the searching was 8 not 12, because they assaulted IDF soldiers that were busy searching to delay them from the searching, they are guilty as well.
Here you got all the answers, when you read al Jazeera or Hamas statements, you can surly think Israel lie, but feel free to challenge me again with your lies I would be glad disproving them.
You fell to explain WHY Israel is less credible when you claim Israel "LIED" only in the past 2 months..funny, remind me one time that Hamas actually told the truth? - Don't bother.
Hamas Lies in the past, present and probably in the future.

Here you can find the posts I made to disprove the demonizing attempt.
About the Teens and the search, Israel found their bodies after 14 days of searching - Israel knew they were kidnapped - not dead.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

You don't, however I'll do the homework disproving every wrong fact in this article, hold on.

..........I'm waiting!............

When is this shit going to start?

It's post number 16 in this thread.

 

[Beelzebub]

Recommended viewing. Especially for any Americans who wonder at how they lost their government.

 

[Phoenall]

Okies here we go.
1.Israel lying? - Never seen any record of Israel lying, maybe anyone mind pointing it out?

Sure, no problem. We have all heard statements like this about the 1948 war a gazillion times:

Five Arab armies attacked Israel, the Arabs lost, and Israel won land.

Actually there are three lies in this whopper.

1) I have seen no evidence that any of those Arab armies actually entered Israel.

2) The fighting ended when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. Nobody lost that war.

3) The international borders of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained unchanged by the war. None of them lost any land.

Just because you don't believe it does not make it fact

Only because the remaining arab armies were getting beaten to a pulp after Jordam withdrew

The borders of Palestine disappeared once Jordan, Syria and Iraq were formed within them

 

[Daniyel]

And the so called Palestinians left with no piece in the cake, so they try to take our own..

 

[Phoenall]

Here on the forum everyone can express themselves, we are not some Arab Islamic State so why do you bother explain us?
Demonizing from the demon, thank you for sharing your thoughts..I didn't even bother reading it.

Then why are you commenting on something you know nothing about?

We could ask the same of you, going on your lack of knowledge regarding Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Which is - attempt to explain/express me in a wrong false way to mislead everyone into thinking I'm inhuman - DEMONIZING.
At least change the avatar its kinda blowing your cover.

You treat the Palestinian's like they're inhuman.

Is the reason you don't want people thinking you're inhuman, is because they might mistake you for a Palestinian?

When they stop acting inhuman then they might be treated differently. Only inhuman people eat the dead flesh of their enemies, only inhuman people gladly admit that they use children to protect themselves and only inhuman people glorify the mass murderers of children.
These are the people you worship and support when they do all these things to Israelis..........

 

[P F Tinmore]

Okies here we go.
1.Israel lying? - Never seen any record of Israel lying, maybe anyone mind pointing it out?

Sure, no problem. We have all heard statements like this about the 1948 war a gazillion times:

Five Arab armies attacked Israel, the Arabs lost, and Israel won land.

Actually there are three lies in this whopper.

1) I have seen no evidence that any of those Arab armies actually entered Israel.

2) The fighting ended when the UN Security Council called for an armistice. Nobody lost that war.

3) The international borders of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine remained unchanged by the war. None of them lost any land.

Just because you don't believe it does not make it fact

Only because the remaining arab armies were getting beaten to a pulp after Jordam withdrew

The borders of Palestine disappeared once Jordan, Syria and Iraq were formed within them

Of course you can back up what you say?

Not!

 

[Phoenall]

Here on the forum everyone can express themselves, we are not some Arab Islamic State so why do you bother explain us?
Demonizing from the demon, thank you for sharing your thoughts..I didn't even bother reading it.

Then why are you commenting on something you know nothing about?

There is one thing consistent about Israel supporters.

They refuse to learn anything.

Have you learnt yet that Palestine was not mentioned in the treaties you claim gave it borders and made it a nation. Have you learnt yet that Palestine as a nation never existed until 1988

 

[Phoenall]

The killed Palestinians during the searching was 8 not 12, because they assaulted IDF soldiers that were busy searching to delay them from the searching, they are guilty as well.

Except the search was being done in spite of the fact that they knew the 3 teens were already dead.

And where's your evidence of Hamas involvement?

So if you were a police officer you would call of the search for the murdering scum because the victim was dead. Or would you try even harder to get to the bottom of the case and bring closure to the victims family.

Were's your evidence that it wasn't hamas or one of its offshoots. The names of the wanted people have been given and they are hamas operatives

 

[Barb]

[ame=http://youtu.be/_-UwcVP_k2Y]TalkingStickTV - Alison Weir - The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Phoenall]

1.I know alot about Zionism, and I can definitely tell whether its true or false, when someone lie about witnessing to mislead others with lies its called demonizing.
2.Reading the demonizing thread is pointless, and like Chris and Beelzebub that know nothing about Zionism to 'Explain' us.
3.I bother commenting to make sure nobody will determine who I am, except myself.
You should read the next posts, ask the questions later.. have you read them?

You said you didn't bother to read it, then you went on to comment on it. That's a little strange.


BTW, the article is right on the money.

You decided to attack Gaza, but say it's Hamas fault?

That's out there!

You claimed that hamas did not fire any rockets prior to July 4th, yet the evidence says they fired 200 or more. That is why gaza was attacked and it was all down to hamas and their murder of three Israeli children. Why do you deny what is there for all to see

 

[Phoenall]

Wow so many bullshit again - try write it in the same post because people can miss all the important posts because of you

They knew the 3 teens were dead from the phone call, but still went on this bogus search.

So you would have just gave up looking for the inhumane criminals that did this and told the boys families to stop crying because they were dead. Sums you up perfectly doesn't it dildo

 

[Beelzebub]

It wasn't a search.

It was a 'price tag'.
Apart from killing 12 Palestinians while they 'searched' they also got a lot of collective punishment in.

That't the IDF for you. Collective Punishment is a War Crime.

 

[Barb]

[ame=http://youtu.be/_-UwcVP_k2Y]TalkingStickTV - Alison Weir - The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then why are you commenting on something you know nothing about?

There is one thing consistent about Israel supporters.

They refuse to learn anything.

Have you learnt yet that Palestine was not mentioned in the treaties you claim gave it borders and made it a nation. Have you learnt yet that Palestine as a nation never existed until 1988

What makes the 1988 declaration more valid than the 1948 declaration?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The All Palestinian Government (APG) cannot declare independence over territory that was already declared independent by the Israelis. They could not do it then and they cannot do it now.

There is one thing consistent about Israel supporters.

They refuse to learn anything.

Have you learnt yet that Palestine was not mentioned in the treaties you claim gave it borders and made it a nation. Have you learnt yet that Palestine as a nation never existed until 1988

What makes the 1988 declaration more valid than the 1948 declaration?

(COMMENT)

The 1988 Declaration did not cover any sovereign territory already declared independent by the Israelis.

BIG difference.

Most Respectfully,
R