A Tea Party Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

[Vast LWC]

Yes so forcing children to sing songs of praise to Chairman O is just fine but don't you dare force the poor children to sing about that "Evil" Santa Claus guy. See this is why our Public Schools are a mess. The Liberal Loons have completely destroyed our Public Schools at this point. Getting all worked up over these kinds of silly things while promoting something far more disturbing is typical of them at this point. I have no problem with kids singing Christmas Carols but i do have a big problem with forcing the children to sing songs of praise to the President. Hey that's just how i feel anyway.

Nobody "forced" anyone to sing songs about Obama.

No-one would be "forcing" anyone to sing songs about Jesus in this case either.

What they would be "forcing" people to do is FUND said Jesus songs through legislation.

Apparently you missed the entire crux of my argument.

 

[beowolfe]

Yes so forcing children to sing songs of praise to Chairman O is just fine but don't you dare force the poor children to sing about that "Evil" Santa Claus guy. See this is why our Public Schools are a mess. The Liberal Loons have completely destroyed our Public Schools at this point. Getting all worked up over these kinds of silly things while promoting something far more disturbing is typical of them at this point. I have no problem with kids singing Christmas Carols but i do have a big problem with forcing the children to sing songs of praise to the President. Hey that's just how i feel anyway.

Something tells me that you couldn't find a single child that was 'forced' to sing the song about Obama. Oh, I see others have called you on this and you'r just silent. If kids were being forced to sing about Obama, why don't you produce proof? But that's just like wingnuts, all charges, no proof.

 

[Yurt]

not true....a simple google reveals let it snow is a christmas carol....i have no doubt so is chestnuts...

CHRISTMAS-CAROLS.NET : Let It Snow

the holiday is called CHRISTMAS...it is a federal holiday observed nationally....singing traditional christmas carols that celebrate our culture and heritage is all the initiative asks for.....

you should read it....it is not about indoctrinating anyone....further, anyone can opt out, no one is forced....it is clear you have no idea what you're talking about

So, "The little drummer boy", "Joy to the World", etc etc, are not "Christmas Carols"???

Look man, I was raised catholic. I know my Christmas carols. In fact I probably know every word of 99% of every "Traditional Christmas Carol". Don't try getting semantic on me.

The holiday is observed nationally for convenience, because Christians make up a majority of the population.

Jews get to take off for all their holidays.

And I have read it. I don't even think singing Christmas Carols in school is about indoctrinating anyone, nor do I think the "Obama song" was indoctrination.

All I care about is that the Constitution specifically states that religion cannot be legislated by congress.

If you get a constitutional amendment that says otherwise, more power to you, but until that day, this is completely unconstitutional. Period.

your first quesiton is somewhat of a strawman as i never said that.....

and apparently the vast majority of people disagree as to what you think a christmas carol is....just google list of christmas carols....

 

[LibocalypseNow]

These incidents of singing songs of praise to Chairman O did happen all across this nation. However there is no evidence of any current Legislation being contemplated to make Christmas Carols mandatory in Public Schools. This simply has not happened. I'm sure there are some Tea Partiers who would like to see this but obviously it isn't going to happen. I am talking about disturbing things that are currently happening in our Public Schools while the Hopey Changeys continue to whine about things that are not happening. Forcing the kids to sing songs of praise to Chairman O really is incredibly disturbing. Singing songs about Santa Claus just doesn't upset me. Hey just my opinion anyway.

 

[Vast LWC]

your first quesiton is somewhat of a strawman as i never said that.....

and apparently the vast majority of people disagree as to what you think a christmas carol is....just google list of christmas carols....

Well, alrighty then.

So as long as the proposal is edited to specifically refer only to seasonal songs that don't have any religious references, we're all good.

 

[Yurt]

your first quesiton is somewhat of a strawman as i never said that.....

and apparently the vast majority of people disagree as to what you think a christmas carol is....just google list of christmas carols....

Well, alrighty then.

So as long as the proposal is edited to specifically refer only to seasonal songs that don't have any religious references, we're all good.

ok...is christmas a religious holiday?

 

[Vast LWC]

These incidents of singing songs of praise to Chairman O did happen all across this nation. However there is no evidence of any current Legislation being contemplated to make Christmas Carols mandatory in Public Schools. This simply has not happened. I'm sure there are some Tea Partiers who would like to see this but obviously it isn't going to happen. I am talking about disturbing things that are currently happening in our Public Schools while the Hopey Changeys continue to whine about things that are not happening. Forcing the kids to sing songs of praise to Chairman O really is incredibly disturbing. Singing songs about Santa Claus just doesn't upset me. Hey just my opinion anyway.

Yes, but what we are talking about is, specifically, a proposal to make just such a legislation.

There were never any proposals for any legislation to "Create an Opportunity to sing songs about the prersident", now were there???

And if there were, you would have had every reason to be disturbed.

But there were not.

 

[Yurt]

The community elects the school board. The community HAS a say in how the local government is run. Do you deny that?

still ignoring and running from the questions....

Logical fallacy.

Do you deny that communities have a say in their school boards' actions or not?

not true....you're still ignoring my two questions, why are so afraid of those two questions....and yet demanding i answer yours....that is hypocritical

 

[Vast LWC]

ok...is christmas a religious holiday?

Yes. It is.

 

[Yurt]

They are called "CHRISTMAS carols". They are songs to celebrate the anniversary of the birth of Jesus Christ.

Other songs that celebrate the season, but not the holiday, would be called "seasonal music". Like "Chestnuts roasting on an open fire", "Let it Snow".

The proposal specifically calls for "Christmas Carols", not "Seasonal Music".

Now personally, I could care less if my kids or anybody else's kids sing "Christmas Carols", "Seasonal Music", or Chanukah Songs.

I will not, however, allow funding for religious hymns, songs or prayers to be legislated from my tax money. Period.

If you want your children to be indoctrinated in a religion in school, SEND THEM TO PRIVATE SCHOOL. That's what private schools are for.

"Next."

not true....a simple google reveals let it snow is a christmas carol....i have no doubt so is chestnuts...

CHRISTMAS-CAROLS.NET : Let It Snow

the holiday is called CHRISTMAS...it is a federal holiday observed nationally....singing traditional christmas carols that celebrate our culture and heritage is all the initiative asks for.....

you should read it....it is not about indoctrinating anyone....further, anyone can opt out, no one is forced....it is clear you have no idea what you're talking about

So I suppose on MLK day the students shall be exposed to music celebrating a black president.

um....that is a strawman....no one has ever said that students shall be exposed to music or christmas carols....i also fail to see how music celebrating a black president has anything to do with MLK....he didn't want people judged on their skin color....unlike you obviously...

no wonder you can't actually debate this thread, you haven't a clue what you'e babbling about....all you can do is falsely claim this is unconstitional, people are assholes, idiots...etc....yet you obviously have the wrong idea about the initiative

 

[Yurt]

ok...is christmas a religious holiday?

Yes. It is.

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

 

[Foxfyre]

ok...is christmas a religious holiday?

Yes. It is.

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Christmas is a religious holiday for those who profess Christian faith. For everybody else who celebrates it, it is celebrated as a secular holiday even if they enjoy the great Christmas music, imagery, and/or go to church to see their kids in the Christmas pageant.

Christmas is a federal holiday which alllows banks, post office, etc. to close. Making it a federal holidzay comes with no mandate of any kind of how the holiday is to be celebrated or recognized or that it be recognized at all, nor does it require anybody to close their business or observe the holiday in any way.

In other words, except for Federal employees, all is optional.

 

[Ravi]

ok...is christmas a religious holiday?

Yes. It is.

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

No, it isn't correct.

 

[Vast LWC]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

 

[Foxfyre]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

Essentially all schools do give the kids Christmas off--most schedule a semester break over Christmas--but there is no federal, state, or local mandate that they must do so. I can't remember any requirement in the school bylaws that requires them to do so. It only makes sense to accommodate a historical and traditional holiday that is celebrated and/or recognized by most Americans, Christian or not, so long as those who do not celebrate it for whatever reason are not discriminated against in the process.

 

[Vast LWC]

Look, I'm a fan of Christmas.

I like the holiday, I like singing Christamas carols, but here's my essential problem:

If I lived in Utah, and the vast majority of the kids in the public school I sent my children to were Mormon, I would not want to be forced to pay for Mormon religious ceremonies.

By the same token, I feel that I cannot force other people to pay for my religious ceremonies.

Capische?

 

[Yurt]

Yes. It is.

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

No, it isn't correct.

link....

states recognize it as a holiday....thus, no school could have school on that day...but i woudl be curious to see your authority or rational stating otherwise

 

[NYcarbineer]

still ignoring and running from the questions....

Logical fallacy.

Do you deny that communities have a say in their school boards' actions or not?

not true....you're still ignoring my two questions, why are so afraid of those two questions....and yet demanding i answer yours....that is hypocritical

Well, since I asked mine first...but that aside.

I believe that carols in school yea or nay should be decided at the district level, by the school board, or at the individual school level if such power is delegated by the school board to each school via the principal or the equivalent supervisor/administrator.

Okay?

 

[Yurt]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have Christmas carol pageants in our schools. The Christian kids expect, the Jewish kids love the holiday, and the Muslim kids (yes, there are a few)understand candy and toys.

Which schools celebrated Hannakuh today where you live? If it is done as a cultural "let's learn about others", then I am all for it.