A Tea Party Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

[Yurt]

Logical fallacy.

Do you deny that communities have a say in their school boards' actions or not?

not true....you're still ignoring my two questions, why are so afraid of those two questions....and yet demanding i answer yours....that is hypocritical

Well, since I asked mine first...but that aside.

I believe that carols in school yea or nay should be decided at the district level, by the school board, or at the individual school level if such power is delegated by the school board to each school via the principal or the equivalent supervisor/administrator.

Okay?

you did not ask yours first....and you still haven't answered my questions:

i am willing to bet that you fully supported atheists rights to sue in court to avoid saying the pledge because it says "one nation under god".....or, if the school board mandated christmas carols, you would fully support ignoring their decree and support someone suing in court to overturn that decree.....am i correct?

 

[Ravi]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

No, it isn't correct.

link....

states recognize it as a holiday....thus, no school could have school on that day...but i woudl be curious to see your authority or rational stating otherwise

Federal holidays are nothing but holidays that relate to employment. The only laws governing federal holidays can be found here.

US CODE: Title 5,6103. Holidays

No one is forced to observe a federal holiday...they may if they wish but it isn't mandatory. I really can't believe you are so silly that you think the federal government would be allowed to mandate the general public celebrate a federal holiday.

I only wish I could make this little guy twenty times bigger to express my hilarity:

 

[Yukon]

Americans get a day off to celebrate a radical Negro's birthday who did nothing but promote riots wherevever he went and yet do not get a day off to celbrate the Birth of Christianity at Easter. How sad, how PC, how pathetic and hypocritical you people are.

 

[Ravi]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

Teachers are salaried employees. They don't get paid by the hour or the day that they work. They get paid a certain salary per year. They do not get paid for Christmas.

 

[Yurt]

No, it isn't correct.

link....

states recognize it as a holiday....thus, no school could have school on that day...but i woudl be curious to see your authority or rational stating otherwise

Federal holidays are nothing but holidays that relate to employment. The only laws governing federal holidays can be found here.

US CODE: Title 5,6103. Holidays

No one is forced to observe a federal holiday...they may if they wish but it isn't mandatory. I really can't believe you are so silly that you think the federal government would be allowed to mandate the general public celebrate a federal holiday.

I only wish I could make this little guy twenty times bigger to express my hilarity:

i never said the federal government, and never mentioned the general public being forced to celebrate a holiday....go back and read what i said....you should be embarrassed instead of laughing

you have yet to provide me anything that shows schools can force students to attend school on christmas....

 

[Vast LWC]

Americans get a day off to celebrate a radical Negro's birthday who did nothing but promote riots wherevever he went and yet do not get a day off to celbrate the Birth of Christianity at Easter. How sad, how PC, how pathetic and hypocritical you people are.

So, all you really have to add to the conversation is that you hate Americans, and apparently black Americans in particular?

We get it Yukon, now go crawl back into your little hole and let the adults continue the conversation.

Didn't your mother ever tell you about what you should do if you don't have anything nice to say?

 

[NYcarbineer]

not true....you're still ignoring my two questions, why are so afraid of those two questions....and yet demanding i answer yours....that is hypocritical

Well, since I asked mine first...but that aside.

I believe that carols in school yea or nay should be decided at the district level, by the school board, or at the individual school level if such power is delegated by the school board to each school via the principal or the equivalent supervisor/administrator.

Okay?

you did not ask yours first....and you still haven't answered my questions:

i am willing to bet that you fully supported atheists rights to sue in court to avoid saying the pledge because it says "one nation under god".....or, if the school board mandated christmas carols, you would fully support ignoring their decree and support someone suing in court to overturn that decree.....am i correct?

I support the right of anyone to sue in court.

 

[Yurt]

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

Teachers are salaried employees. They don't get paid by the hour or the day that they work. They get paid a certain salary per year. They do not get paid for Christmas.

not true....it is counted as a work/holiday....you are obviously clueless as to teacher salaries...they're salaries are based on number of work days and holidays are included....but laugh away, obviously ignorance is bliss

further, state employees and federal employees get that day off, paid....

 

[NYcarbineer]

and schools are mandated to give students this religious holiday off? is this correct?

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

That was what I asked you. Why Christmas being a federal holiday is relevant to this issue?

 

[Yurt]

Well, since I asked mine first...but that aside.

I believe that carols in school yea or nay should be decided at the district level, by the school board, or at the individual school level if such power is delegated by the school board to each school via the principal or the equivalent supervisor/administrator.

Okay?

you did not ask yours first....and you still haven't answered my questions:

i am willing to bet that you fully supported atheists rights to sue in court to avoid saying the pledge because it says "one nation under god".....or, if the school board mandated christmas carols, you would fully support ignoring their decree and support someone suing in court to overturn that decree.....am i correct?

I support the right of anyone to sue in court.

you claimed earlier that this initiative took away the decision power of the board and gave it to the state....you didn't clarify how, but it was clear your issue with this is the ability to sue....

so, now we've established that, it shouldn't matter if parents can sue to enforce the initiative

 

[Yurt]

Which doesn't require any public funding. Yes.

But they call it "Winter Break" and don't recognize the religious holiday.

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

That was what I asked you. Why Christmas being a federal holiday is relevant to this issue?

because people keep mentioning the federal constitution, you know, the supreme law of the land

 

[NYcarbineer]

yes it does....teachers are still paid for that day....so are all state employees and federal employees....

i didn't realize it was now called winter break...it was called christmas break when i was in school in the 90's....

i also don't think allowing students to sing christmas carols in a room costs any extra money....

That was what I asked you. Why Christmas being a federal holiday is relevant to this issue?

because people keep mentioning the federal constitution, you know, the supreme law of the land

I asked you where has the Supreme Court ever given Christmas preferential treatment over other religions, in a ruling, on the grounds that since Christmas is a federal holiday it deserves preferential treatment?

Answer please.

 

[Ravi]

link....

states recognize it as a holiday....thus, no school could have school on that day...but i woudl be curious to see your authority or rational stating otherwise

Federal holidays are nothing but holidays that relate to employment. The only laws governing federal holidays can be found here.

US CODE: Title 5,6103. Holidays

No one is forced to observe a federal holiday...they may if they wish but it isn't mandatory. I really can't believe you are so silly that you think the federal government would be allowed to mandate the general public celebrate a federal holiday.

I only wish I could make this little guy twenty times bigger to express my hilarity:

i never said the federal government, and never mentioned the general public being forced to celebrate a holiday....go back and read what i said....you should be embarrassed instead of laughing

you have yet to provide me anything that shows schools can force students to attend school on christmas....

Kids go to school roughly 180 days a year. They don't really have any say in the school calendar...the school board does. It wouldn't make sense for the school board to force its teachers and administrative staff to work on Christmas since every state recognizes Christmas as a holiday.

 

[Vast LWC]

not true....it is counted as a work/holiday....you are obviously clueless as to teacher salaries...they're salaries are based on number of work days and holidays are included....but laugh away, obviously ignorance is bliss

further, state employees and federal employees get that day off, paid....

Yes, but the days that they don't work at the winter break would have been simply taken at another time if not then, like at spring break, or summer break.

Teacher's contracts denote a specific amount of time worked in a year. That works both ways.

 

[NYcarbineer]

you did not ask yours first....and you still haven't answered my questions:

I support the right of anyone to sue in court.

you claimed earlier that this initiative took away the decision power of the board and gave it to the state....you didn't clarify how, but it was clear your issue with this is the ability to sue....

so, now we've established that, it shouldn't matter if parents can sue to enforce the initiative

Let me quote Merry Hyatt herself:

This is to make sure that we are allowed to have Christmas carols, and no school board member or principal is going to tell us, 'No, you may not play "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" in your classroom,'" she told KTXL-TV

That IS taking the decision out of the hands of the local government. Correct?

 

[bodecea]

Federal holidays are nothing but holidays that relate to employment. The only laws governing federal holidays can be found here.

US CODE: Title 5,6103. Holidays

No one is forced to observe a federal holiday...they may if they wish but it isn't mandatory. I really can't believe you are so silly that you think the federal government would be allowed to mandate the general public celebrate a federal holiday.

I only wish I could make this little guy twenty times bigger to express my hilarity:

i never said the federal government, and never mentioned the general public being forced to celebrate a holiday....go back and read what i said....you should be embarrassed instead of laughing

you have yet to provide me anything that shows schools can force students to attend school on christmas....

Kids go to school roughly 180 days a year. They don't really have any say in the school calendar...the school board does. It wouldn't make sense for the school board to force its teachers and administrative staff to work on Christmas since every state recognizes Christmas as a holiday.

Just like they don't go to school on Sunday...

 

[beowolfe]

If you get christmas carols in schools, you have to figure that Ramaden songs, and Yom Kippur songs won't be too far behind.

 

[Againsheila]

let's see how this focuses on religion, rather than tradition as i've been saying, here is the text....how show me how this violates the constitution:


52710. The people of Califomia find and declare both of the following:
(a) Listening to, or performing, Christmas music during the holiday season is a
longstanding American tradition and a significant element of our cultural heritage as
Americans.
(b) The parents and guardians ofpublic school children should have the right to
decide whether or not their children may hear Christmas music in the classrooms and
assemblies at those schools.
52711. As used in this article, "Christmas music" includes, but is not necessarily
limited to, carols, songs, and instrumental works whose subject matter relates to the
celebration ofthe Christmas holiday or to the season during which that holiday is
observed.


and again, no one is mandated to participate

Except when it gets to the part that you omitted:

52712. (a) Each public elementary and secondary school shall provide
opportunities to its pupils for listening to or performing Christmas music at an
appropriate time of year. The appreciation or performance ofthe Christmas music may
be incorporated into the subject matter of an arts or social studies class, presented for
cultural enrichment during a school assembly, or both.

Which is where is mandates that schools provide resources for specific religious ceremonies.

Though other people are not in fact required to participate, the taxpayers of said school district would be required to pay for the resources necessary to allow for the religious ceremonies.

Providing funding for a specific religion through a congressional mandate is specifically unconstitutional as per the first amendment.

Do you think teachers and support personnel work for free? Do you think kids will just be able to sing christmas carols privately in a public school with no oversight?

If you want your children to have religon with their education, there are a host of private religious schools that you can send them to.

Careful what you wish for....most of the good students have already been taken out of the public schools system. The wealthy send theirs to private schools, the rest homeschool theirs.. This leaves the poor with uneducated parents in the public schools and you wonder why our schools are doing so badly?

 

[Yurt]

That was what I asked you. Why Christmas being a federal holiday is relevant to this issue?

because people keep mentioning the federal constitution, you know, the supreme law of the land

I asked you where has the Supreme Court ever given Christmas preferential treatment over other religions, in a ruling, on the grounds that since Christmas is a federal holiday it deserves preferential treatment?

Answer please.

asked and answered over half a dozen times....your idiocy is knows no bounds

 

[Yurt]

Federal holidays are nothing but holidays that relate to employment. The only laws governing federal holidays can be found here.

US CODE: Title 5,6103. Holidays

No one is forced to observe a federal holiday...they may if they wish but it isn't mandatory. I really can't believe you are so silly that you think the federal government would be allowed to mandate the general public celebrate a federal holiday.

I only wish I could make this little guy twenty times bigger to express my hilarity:

i never said the federal government, and never mentioned the general public being forced to celebrate a holiday....go back and read what i said....you should be embarrassed instead of laughing

you have yet to provide me anything that shows schools can force students to attend school on christmas....

Kids go to school roughly 180 days a year. They don't really have any say in the school calendar...the school board does. It wouldn't make sense for the school board to force its teachers and administrative staff to work on Christmas since every state recognizes Christmas as a holiday.

lmao....first you claim to have a statute that backs you, but instead you actually didn't have the reading comprehension to understand what it was i asked....now you admit i'm right....

thanks ravi....you're finally getting it....my entire point is, the schools cannot force the kids to school on christmas, and now you're saying i'm weird....

thank you for admitting i'm right though