A Tea Party Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

[NYcarbineer]

you idiot, that isn't even what we're talking about

No, that's what YOU"RE not talking about because you've never read the proposition.

more dishonesty....i've read it entirely it solely mentions the traditional aspect of carols and christmas....that is how i knew her intent has nothing to do with the wording of the proposal....you're just a dishonest hack

You're wasting your time with the childish namecalling. I've heard it all.

 

[ihopehefails]

Christmas is not a national holiday.

Now, tell us where the courts have ever decided any cases in favor of Christianity, over other religions, on the grounds that Christmas is a national holiday (despite the fact it isn't).

its a federal and state holiday that celebrates the birth of christ...yet you don't want to allow people to sing about that....you hate free speech

I don't want kids telling their teachers to go **** themselves. Free speech?

That is not a violation because no law was passed that restricted a student's free speech. Can you find a law passed that says "a student may not tell a teacher to go **** themselves"?

 

[ihopehefails]

The Attorney General's official title and summary for the measure is as follows: REQUIRES PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO OFFER CHRISTMAS MUSIC. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Requires public schools to offer an opportunity for students to listen to or perform Christ mas music during th e holiday season.

requiring them to offer the opportunity is not the same thing as requiring them to listen to or sing them.

By that logic you could require a school to build a Christian church on campus as long as you didn't force the kids to attend.

jeezus. Mary. and. Joseph.

This part would violate the separation of church and state since you are building a church.

 

[Yurt]

Damn, you people are stupid.

translation:

i'm a hack and can't debate, so i'll just continue calling people assholes and stupid while not actually debating a single point, nor showing how anything these so call stupid or asshole posters have suggested violates teh constitution

 

[Foxfyre]

requiring them to offer the opportunity is not the same thing as requiring them to listen to or sing them.

By that logic you could require a school to build a Christian church on campus as long as you didn't force the kids to attend.

jeezus. Mary. and. Joseph.

This part would violate the separation of church and state since you are building a church.

The Federal government should not be requiring any school to do anything nor denying any school to do anything most especially related to the celebration of Christmas as there is no way that it can interfere one way or the other without violating the First Amendment. The only issue that the Federal Government should be concerned with is that no citizen be denied an education because of who he or she is and otherwise secure our unalienable, civil, and Constitutional rights. How Christmas is to be celebrated in the schools or anywhere else or not celebrated at all should be the prerogative of each individual community.

 

[Yurt]

By that logic you could require a school to build a Christian church on campus as long as you didn't force the kids to attend.

jeezus. Mary. and. Joseph.

This part would violate the separation of church and state since you are building a church.

The Federal government should not be requiring any school to do anything nor denying any school to do anything most especially related to the celebration of Christmas as there is no way that it can interfere one way or the other without violating the First Amendment. The only issue that the Federal Government should be concerned with is that no citizen be denied an education because of who he or she is and otherwise secure our unalienable, civil, and Constitutional rights. How Christmas is to be celebrated in the schools or anywhere else or not celebrated at all should be the prerogative of each individual community.

that is all they want....leave it up to the community...not the school admin officials the way it is now....if the opportunity is required and the community doesn't want it, no one is forced to sing carols or anything of the sort....but right now, the power rests with a few admin officials vs. the community

 

[NYcarbineer]

its a federal and state holiday that celebrates the birth of christ...yet you don't want to allow people to sing about that....you hate free speech

I don't want kids telling their teachers to go **** themselves. Free speech?

That is not a violation because no law was passed that restricted a student's free speech. Can you find a law passed that says "a student may not tell a teacher to go **** themselves"?

What? are you talking about?

 

[ihopehefails]

I don't want kids telling their teachers to go **** themselves. Free speech?

That is not a violation because no law was passed that restricted a student's free speech. Can you find a law passed that says "a student may not tell a teacher to go **** themselves"?

What? are you talking about?

When a teacher repremands a student for doing that she is not acting on the behalf of any law on the books. She is acting on her own adult authority for which there is no official law but there is a natural law about it where people in the community believe this is not a proper way to talk to adults.

If I am wrong, then point out a law on the books that restricts someone's right to curse out a teacher and it would be unconstitutional. However, a teacher's authority is really derived from values in the community or natural law and that is not restricted under the constitution.

 

[Maple]

Back when I was in school, we had Christmas plays, sang Christmas music> I don't remember anyone complaining about it. Now it seems that the left has taken over the social programs for everything and we have to be politically correct on everything we say or do. Nowadays you can't say Merry Christmas, it's Happy Holidays, because you would not want to offend ANYONE.

Sorry, I still say Merry Christmas and to my Jewish friends Happy Hanaka. So Merry Christmas and Happy Hanaka to all of you out there that realize that there is a power much much greater than you and to hell with being politically correct. God Bless

 

[ihopehefails]

Back when I was in school, we had Christmas plays, sang Christmas music> I don't remember anyone complaining about it. Now it seems that the left has taken over the social programs for everything and we have to be politically correct on everything we say or do. Nowadays you can't say Merry Christmas, it's Happy Holidays, because you would not want to offend ANYONE.

Sorry, I still say Merry Christmas and to my Jewish friends Happy Hanaka. So Merry Christmas and Happy Hanaka to all of you out there that realize that there is a power much much greater than you and to hell with being politically correct. God Bless

There is an underlying instinct in the left that has a lot to do with the idea that private religion around a deity must be destroyed. This is not to say that this same instinct doesn't have any religious goals of its own because notice how I said they hate private deities that are worshiped. They will not accept a public deity but still want some kind of religious feeling in the public arena of politics which is why we have political correctness in the first place because political correctness behaves no differently than a religious belief held by the practitioners of any religion but this time it revolves around the state and not deity.

 

[Maple]

Back when I was in school, we had Christmas plays, sang Christmas music> I don't remember anyone complaining about it. Now it seems that the left has taken over the social programs for everything and we have to be politically correct on everything we say or do. Nowadays you can't say Merry Christmas, it's Happy Holidays, because you would not want to offend ANYONE.

Sorry, I still say Merry Christmas and to my Jewish friends Happy Hanaka. So Merry Christmas and Happy Hanaka to all of you out there that realize that there is a power much much greater than you and to hell with being politically correct. God Bless

There is an underlying instinct in the left that has a lot to do with the idea that private religion around a deity must be destroyed. This is not to say that this same instinct doesn't have any religious goals of its own because notice how I said they hate private deities that are worshiped. They will not accept a public deity but still want some kind of religious feeling in the public arena of politics which is why we have political correctness in the first place because political correctness behaves no differently than a religious belief held by the practitioners of any religion but this time it revolves around the state and not deity.

Well, I for one, fear my God much more than any man and I care much more about what God thinks than what any individual thinks of my political incorrectness.

 

[maineman]

This part would violate the separation of church and state since you are building a church.

The Federal government should not be requiring any school to do anything nor denying any school to do anything most especially related to the celebration of Christmas as there is no way that it can interfere one way or the other without violating the First Amendment. The only issue that the Federal Government should be concerned with is that no citizen be denied an education because of who he or she is and otherwise secure our unalienable, civil, and Constitutional rights. How Christmas is to be celebrated in the schools or anywhere else or not celebrated at all should be the prerogative of each individual community.

that is all they want....leave it up to the community...not the school admin officials the way it is now....if the opportunity is required and the community doesn't want it, no one is forced to sing carols or anything of the sort....but right now, the power rests with a few admin officials vs. the community

where do school administration officials derive their authority?

 

[Emma]

Nowadays you can't say Merry Christmas

Of course you can. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[NYcarbineer]

That is not a violation because no law was passed that restricted a student's free speech. Can you find a law passed that says "a student may not tell a teacher to go **** themselves"?

What? are you talking about?

When a teacher repremands a student for doing that she is not acting on the behalf of any law on the books. She is acting on her own adult authority for which there is no official law but there is a natural law about it where people in the community believe this is not a proper way to talk to adults.

If I am wrong, then point out a law on the books that restricts someone's right to curse out a teacher and it would be unconstitutional. However, a teacher's authority is really derived from values in the community or natural law and that is not restricted under the constitution.

Here's constitutional law to start with:

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

 

[NYcarbineer]

Back when I was in school, we had Christmas plays, sang Christmas music> I don't remember anyone complaining about it. Now it seems that the left has taken over the social programs for everything and we have to be politically correct on everything we say or do. Nowadays you can't say Merry Christmas, it's Happy Holidays, because you would not want to offend ANYONE.

Sorry, I still say Merry Christmas and to my Jewish friends Happy Hanaka. So Merry Christmas and Happy Hanaka to all of you out there that realize that there is a power much much greater than you and to hell with being politically correct. God Bless

There is an underlying instinct in the left that has a lot to do with the idea that private religion around a deity must be destroyed. This is not to say that this same instinct doesn't have any religious goals of its own because notice how I said they hate private deities that are worshiped. They will not accept a public deity but still want some kind of religious feeling in the public arena of politics which is why we have political correctness in the first place because political correctness behaves no differently than a religious belief held by the practitioners of any religion but this time it revolves around the state and not deity.

Well, I for one, fear my God much more than any man and I care much more about what God thinks than what any individual thinks of my political incorrectness.

You put God before country? That's unpatriotic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Federal government should not be requiring any school to do anything nor denying any school to do anything most especially related to the celebration of Christmas as there is no way that it can interfere one way or the other without violating the First Amendment. The only issue that the Federal Government should be concerned with is that no citizen be denied an education because of who he or she is and otherwise secure our unalienable, civil, and Constitutional rights. How Christmas is to be celebrated in the schools or anywhere else or not celebrated at all should be the prerogative of each individual community.

that is all they want....leave it up to the community...not the school admin officials the way it is now....if the opportunity is required and the community doesn't want it, no one is forced to sing carols or anything of the sort....but right now, the power rests with a few admin officials vs. the community

where do school administration officials derive their authority?

From the people's elected representatives at the federal, state, and local level.

 

[Yurt]

There is an underlying instinct in the left that has a lot to do with the idea that private religion around a deity must be destroyed. This is not to say that this same instinct doesn't have any religious goals of its own because notice how I said they hate private deities that are worshiped. They will not accept a public deity but still want some kind of religious feeling in the public arena of politics which is why we have political correctness in the first place because political correctness behaves no differently than a religious belief held by the practitioners of any religion but this time it revolves around the state and not deity.

Well, I for one, fear my God much more than any man and I care much more about what God thinks than what any individual thinks of my political incorrectness.

You put God before country? That's unpatriotic.

one nation under god....

 

[Foxfyre]

that is all they want....leave it up to the community...not the school admin officials the way it is now....if the opportunity is required and the community doesn't want it, no one is forced to sing carols or anything of the sort....but right now, the power rests with a few admin officials vs. the community

where do school administration officials derive their authority?

From the people's elected representatives at the federal, state, and local level.

In most cases, an elected School Board - a quasi government group - is elected by the people in a particular school district. I say quasi-government as technically the school board answers to no government authority other than as necessary in order to receive state and federal funds and the school board does have to follow the law of the land.

The school board draws up its own bylaws/rules of conduct, and hires a Superintendent of Schools for that school district. Generally the superintendent has a good deal of input in all school policy and curriculum, but the school board has the final say.

The Superintendent hires/appoints his/her own staff and is responsible to hire or promote Principals for each school in the district. The Principal in turn hires the teachers, coaches, office staff, and any other necessary personnel to work at the school.

 

[NYcarbineer]

where do school administration officials derive their authority?

From the people's elected representatives at the federal, state, and local level.

In most cases, an elected School Board - a quasi government group - is elected by the people in a particular school district. I say quasi-government as technically the school board answers to no government authority other than as necessary in order to receive state and federal funds and the school board does have to follow the law of the land.

The school board draws up its own bylaws/rules of conduct, and hires a Superintendent of Schools for that school district. Generally the superintendent has a good deal of input in all school policy and curriculum, but the school board has the final say.

The Superintendent hires/appoints his/her own staff and is responsible to hire or promote Principals for each school in the district. The Principal in turn hires the teachers, coaches, office staff, and any other necessary personnel to work at the school.

A school board is not 'quasi' government, it is a legitimate governing body and one of the most 'local' of all governing bodies in this country.

 

[Foxfyre]

From the people's elected representatives at the federal, state, and local level.

In most cases, an elected School Board - a quasi government group - is elected by the people in a particular school district. I say quasi-government as technically the school board answers to no government authority other than as necessary in order to receive state and federal funds and the school board does have to follow the law of the land.

The school board draws up its own bylaws/rules of conduct, and hires a Superintendent of Schools for that school district. Generally the superintendent has a good deal of input in all school policy and curriculum, but the school board has the final say.

The Superintendent hires/appoints his/her own staff and is responsible to hire or promote Principals for each school in the district. The Principal in turn hires the teachers, coaches, office staff, and any other necessary personnel to work at the school.

A school board is not 'quasi' government, it is a legitimate governing body and one of the most 'local' of all governing bodies in this country.

Well there are gray areas in which you would be right, and I should have clarified that. All school districts are not structured the same; some are under state or other government authority; some are wholly incorporated entities independent of state or other government structures. So I'll withdraw my statement until I have time to fully clarify it assuming anybody really cares. (I was thinking of our state system in which the state actually controls all the school general budget and capital funds throughout the state, but leaves administration to the local school boards who are elected rather than appointed.)