A Step Closer to Death Panels

You cannot be denied medical treatment if you go to the doctor they must render assistants or they can be sued. It's in thier oath they took before they became a doctor.

This only applies in emergency cases.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.



When a physician may refuse to treat a patient

There are some circumstances when a physician can "fire" the patient in non-emergency situations. One such circumstance is the patient’s unwillingness or inability to pay.

So I ask one more time where is the denial?

Patients cannot face criminal prosecution for failure to pay, even if the patient came to the hospital aware of inability to pay. Hospitals and third-party agents may not threaten patients with prosecution as a means of scaring the patient into making payment. Patient can be prosecuted under existing federal, state, or local laws for providing false name, address, or other information to avoid payment, receiving bills, or to hide fugitive status.
A hospital may not perform a credit check on a patient either before, during, or after stay.

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

Hospitals are required to sufficiently feed patients unable to pay at a level equal to those able to pay, while meeting all physician-ordered dietary restrictions.
Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge. In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access. Hospitals must reasonably assist patients as necessary to obtain these services by providing information the patient requests.

Hospitals/doctors are allowed to deny care/treatment for patients who can't pay (provided there is no emergency). I think that there should be government support for those who earn too much to qualify for government aid but not enough to afford health insurance.
 
This only applies in emergency cases.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.



When a physician may refuse to treat a patient

There are some circumstances when a physician can "fire" the patient in non-emergency situations. One such circumstance is the patient’s unwillingness or inability to pay.

So I ask one more time where is the denial?

Patients cannot face criminal prosecution for failure to pay, even if the patient came to the hospital aware of inability to pay. Hospitals and third-party agents may not threaten patients with prosecution as a means of scaring the patient into making payment. Patient can be prosecuted under existing federal, state, or local laws for providing false name, address, or other information to avoid payment, receiving bills, or to hide fugitive status.
A hospital may not perform a credit check on a patient either before, during, or after stay.

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

Hospitals are required to sufficiently feed patients unable to pay at a level equal to those able to pay, while meeting all physician-ordered dietary restrictions.
Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge. In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access. Hospitals must reasonably assist patients as necessary to obtain these services by providing information the patient requests.

Hospitals/doctors are allowed to deny care/treatment for patients who can't pay (provided there is no emergency). I think that there should be government support for those who earn too much to qualify for government aid but not enough to afford health insurance.

What Icut and paste came from your link

Here it is again

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.
 
From providing substandard care, but not prohibited from not providing care.
Except for emergency situations.

Man you are dense today.
 
an oath should never be broken?

Lmao all politicians take oaths and virtually all of them break them.

and your point? Do you take an oath lightly? I don't

the only oath I ever took lightly was the one for the Army after I was drafted. It was an oath you either gave or went to Leavenworth.
Oaths at "gunpoint" are worthless.

So an oath is nothing to you? Then should I presume you are a liar?
 
From providing substandard care, but not prohibited from not providing care.
Except for emergency situations.

Man you are dense today.

I think you should reread that one more time and in whole not just part


This means they can't give them half ass care they are equal to anyone that walks come through the door. Which means they can't deny them care.


Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.
 
So I ask one more time where is the denial?

Patients cannot face criminal prosecution for failure to pay, even if the patient came to the hospital aware of inability to pay. Hospitals and third-party agents may not threaten patients with prosecution as a means of scaring the patient into making payment. Patient can be prosecuted under existing federal, state, or local laws for providing false name, address, or other information to avoid payment, receiving bills, or to hide fugitive status.
A hospital may not perform a credit check on a patient either before, during, or after stay.

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

Hospitals are required to sufficiently feed patients unable to pay at a level equal to those able to pay, while meeting all physician-ordered dietary restrictions.
Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge. In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access. Hospitals must reasonably assist patients as necessary to obtain these services by providing information the patient requests.

Hospitals/doctors are allowed to deny care/treatment for patients who can't pay (provided there is no emergency). I think that there should be government support for those who earn too much to qualify for government aid but not enough to afford health insurance.

What Icut and paste came from your link

Here it is again

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

You do not have to look impoverished to be too poor to buy medical service. Facilities often ask for payment "up front". If the patient can't pay, he does not get the care. They are no more being discriminated against than does one who goes into an upscale shopping center only to discover that he can't afford to buy the merchandise.
 
I am giving up on bigreb. He is clearly understanding impaired in some way.
the idjit cannot get it thru his head that the no turning away people for medical care is only for life threatening situations.
And only applies to emergency rooms.
 
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A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.
 
Hospitals/doctors are allowed to deny care/treatment for patients who can't pay (provided there is no emergency). I think that there should be government support for those who earn too much to qualify for government aid but not enough to afford health insurance.

What Icut and paste came from your link

Here it is again

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

You do not have to look impoverished to be too poor to buy medical service. Facilities often ask for payment "up front". If the patient can't pay, he does not get the care. They are no more being discriminated against than does one who goes into an upscale shopping center only to discover that he can't afford to buy the merchandise.

Your losing the battle. If you can't understand the information from your own link I can't help you.

Side note What the above means is that the hospital cannot discriminate against anyone. Read your infoirmation in whole one more time.
 
What Icut and paste came from your link

Here it is again

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

You do not have to look impoverished to be too poor to buy medical service. Facilities often ask for payment "up front". If the patient can't pay, he does not get the care. They are no more being discriminated against than does one who goes into an upscale shopping center only to discover that he can't afford to buy the merchandise.

Your losing the battle. If you can't understand the information from your own link I can't help you.

Side note What the above means is that the hospital cannot discriminate against anyone. Read your infoirmation in whole one more time.

If you can't afford treatment then doctors are not obligated to treat you. It is as simple as that. Here is an example:

More Cancer Patients Can't Afford Care - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Take Keith Blessington. Whether snowshoeing or hiking in the New Hampshire woods, Blessington always felt great. Then he was laid off. And just as his health care benefits were about to run out, he was diagnosed with stomach cancer. Blessington did find coverage - for double what he had been paying.

Insurance covered most of his medical bills, which totaled more than $200,000. But he still ended up more than $70,000 in debt, and no longer able to afford the home he shares with his ailing mother.

"A growing number of cancer deaths directly attributable to lack of adequate insurance to get the care you need is growing with every passing day," said Dr. John Seffrin, CEO of the American Cancer Society.
"I'm afraid I'll die," said Denise Prosser. The 39-year-old can no longer afford to treat her thyroid cancer, since her husband lost his job and health insurance.

She doesn't qualify for Medicare ("not disabled enough") or Medicaid (her husband makes too much in unemployment). She's not sick enough for the emergency room - yet.

The Prossers are scrambling to find charitable care.
 
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When the $ runs out to fund Medicare they would have wished we had a system that was not blank check care for 89 year old disease ridden seniors.
Then NO ONE will get any care.
My Isreali friends are so correct:
"Americans are the very best at ideas and liberties. However, they are the very worse at times with the way they implement them".
 
You do not have to look impoverished to be too poor to buy medical service. Facilities often ask for payment "up front". If the patient can't pay, he does not get the care. They are no more being discriminated against than does one who goes into an upscale shopping center only to discover that he can't afford to buy the merchandise.

Your losing the battle. If you can't understand the information from your own link I can't help you.

Side note What the above means is that the hospital cannot discriminate against anyone. Read your infoirmation in whole one more time.

If you can't afford treatment then doctors are not obligated to treat you. It is as simple as that. Here is an example:

More Cancer Patients Can't Afford Care - CBS Evening News - CBS News

Take Keith Blessington. Whether snowshoeing or hiking in the New Hampshire woods, Blessington always felt great. Then he was laid off. And just as his health care benefits were about to run out, he was diagnosed with stomach cancer. Blessington did find coverage - for double what he had been paying.

Insurance covered most of his medical bills, which totaled more than $200,000. But he still ended up more than $70,000 in debt, and no longer able to afford the home he shares with his ailing mother.

"A growing number of cancer deaths directly attributable to lack of adequate insurance to get the care you need is growing with every passing day," said Dr. John Seffrin, CEO of the American Cancer Society.
"I'm afraid I'll die," said Denise Prosser. The 39-year-old can no longer afford to treat her thyroid cancer, since her husband lost his job and health insurance.

She doesn't qualify for Medicare ("not disabled enough") or Medicaid (her husband makes too much in unemployment). She's not sick enough for the emergency room - yet.

The Prossers are scrambling to find charitable care.

Your link that you used said otherwise. The only thing that a hospital is not required to do and this is from your link
1. Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

2. Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge.

But
They are required and this is from your link
In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access.

Your link which is a law.
 
You cannot be denied medical treatment if you go to the doctor they must render assistants or they can be sued. It's in thier oath they took before they became a doctor.

This only applies in emergency cases.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.



When a physician may refuse to treat a patient

There are some circumstances when a physician can "fire" the patient in non-emergency situations. One such circumstance is the patient’s unwillingness or inability to pay.

So I ask one more time where is the denial?

Patients cannot face criminal prosecution for failure to pay, even if the patient came to the hospital aware of inability to pay. Hospitals and third-party agents may not threaten patients with prosecution as a means of scaring the patient into making payment. Patient can be prosecuted under existing federal, state, or local laws for providing false name, address, or other information to avoid payment, receiving bills, or to hide fugitive status.
A hospital may not perform a credit check on a patient either before, during, or after stay.

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

Hospitals are required to sufficiently feed patients unable to pay at a level equal to those able to pay, while meeting all physician-ordered dietary restrictions.
Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge. In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access. Hospitals must reasonably assist patients as necessary to obtain these services by providing information the patient requests.


That is not true...at least in the outpatient world. Even if the outpatient services are owned by the hospital
 
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This only applies in emergency cases.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.



When a physician may refuse to treat a patient

There are some circumstances when a physician can "fire" the patient in non-emergency situations. One such circumstance is the patient’s unwillingness or inability to pay.

So I ask one more time where is the denial?

Patients cannot face criminal prosecution for failure to pay, even if the patient came to the hospital aware of inability to pay. Hospitals and third-party agents may not threaten patients with prosecution as a means of scaring the patient into making payment. Patient can be prosecuted under existing federal, state, or local laws for providing false name, address, or other information to avoid payment, receiving bills, or to hide fugitive status.
A hospital may not perform a credit check on a patient either before, during, or after stay.

The patient cannot receive a negative credit mark for failure to pay the hospital or any related services, or any third-party agent collecting on their behalf. Such services may not threaten patient with credit reporting to scare them into paying.

Hospitals are prohibited from discriminating against or providing substandard care to those who appear impoverished or homeless, are not well-dressed or groomed, or exhibit signs of mental illness or intoxication. If the hospital fears a patient may be a threat to others, the hospital may delay care only as necessary to protect others.

Hospitals are required to sufficiently feed patients unable to pay at a level equal to those able to pay, while meeting all physician-ordered dietary restrictions.
Hospitals are not required to provide premium services to the patient not related to medical care (such as television) when failure to provide this service does not compromise patient care.

Hospitals and affiliated clinics are not required to provide continued outpatient care, drugs, or other supplies following discharge. In the event such services are recommended, but a patient is unable to pay, the hospital is required to refer the patient to a clinic or tax-funded or private program that enables the patient to pay for these services, and to which the patient has reasonable access. Hospitals must reasonably assist patients as necessary to obtain these services by providing information the patient requests.


That is not true...at least in the outpatient world. Even if the outpatient services are owned by the hospital

Thats from his source.
 
Exactly, and no one in Amerca can be denied healthcare at least they could not before obamacare.

Is healthcare a right?

No, not at all....

Health Insurance was offered as a perk for recruiting employees....

Now it has become a tool for lawyers and politicians to abuse....

Very little difference between Lawyers and Politicians....

The advancement in medicine is incredible, but it comes with a price, in a perfect world money would not be an issue....
 
Yes. If the drug is effective, then it is up to the patient and his or her doctor to decide if it is to be part of the treatment protocol.

It certainly is not the business of a few bureaucrats in DC to decide.

Other things in life are expensive: homes, cars, vacations. Why should it be anybody else's business what we decide to purchase?


Interesting because it's the insurance companies will be the ones paying for this. Which means that cost gets passed to everyone else through higher premiums. Now "your choice" is affecting me. Aren't you one of the ones who argues about "paying your own way and not mooching off of everyone else"? This seems like an awfully expensive drug to be using when it isn't proven to be completely effective, especially for a fiscal hawk such as yourself.

Now I'm not saying it should have its approval taken away, at least not for cost reasons. I don't think cost should be a primary factor when considering peoples health, but if the data isn't there to support it being effective then that's a different story.


That's what insurance is - pooled risk. If I want to purchase insurance coverage which includes Avastin as an approved med, I should be able to - just as you should be free to purchase insurance coverage which doesn't. If there is enough demand for both options, then the insurance companies can price them accordingly.

The ObamaCare you support will get rid of any choice regarding coverage whatsoever.
That is the whole point of obamacare, it is not your choice, the gov't will decide, nothing but a socialist bill.
 
You really need to learn about socialism before you use the term. It's fucking annoying when brain dead people misuse terms that actually have set definitions that don't apply to what they're using it for.
 
A point of information. the inventor of the blood transfusion died in NC I believe it was from blood loss because he was denied access to a white hospital. He was black.


[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Death of Dr. Charles Drew[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]A Tragedy Compounded by Legend[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]It happened one April day while he and three other doctors were driving to attend a medical conference at a southern university. Near Burlington, N.C., their automobile swerved to avoid an object in the road. Drew was critically injured and began to lose blood rapidly.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]His colleagues flagged down a passing car and rushed him to the nearest hospital. At the door, he was turned away. It was a “whites-only” institution.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]By the time he was taken to a nearby “colored hospital,” Dr. Charles Drew, the man who developed the theory of blood plasma and pioneered the blood bank, had bled to death.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]His death highlighted the racial segregation which then existed in most southern hospitals, and still clings to many today.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]—Whitney Young, executive director of the National Urban League, in the Amsterdam News, 1964[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]This well-known legend of Charles Drew’s death never happened.[/FONT]

  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]None of Drew’s companions in the car remember swerving to avoid something in the road.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Drew arrived at the hospital in an ambulance.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Alamance County General Hospital doctors administered plasma to Drew in addition to giving other emergency treatment.[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Drew did not die from loss of blood alone. The death certificate listed the conditions leading to his death as “brain injury, internal hemorrhage—lungs and multiple extremities injuries.”[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Alamance County General Hospital, though it segregated white and black patients, was not a “whites-only” institution and did not refuse Drew treatment.[/FONT]
 

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