Indeependent
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It's obvious you never read any interviews with Bill Clinton.
A Question For The Left Wingers On This Forum
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The 'truth' is, partisans are tools for a one party system cloaked in the guise of choice
a glaring specific would be that Congress has flipped maybe a dozen times in the last 40 odd years, while the middle class has slowly vanished....
Keep in mind, one can love his/her country, while loathing those running it, which is usually the case with partisans ,and while the sentiment is actually noble , their targets are wrong
The system is broken , and they (the folks in power) want us to target each other, not them
You'll note this goes double for the insurrection , while BLM can burn down whatever it wants
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frigidweirdo
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Yes, partisans, anyone who believes in -isms and others will make things fit their ideology, rather than trying to figure out the best way for themselves.
I guess we're born being spoon fed, and many people feel comfortable that way.
Most people who call themselves "patriots" have probably never even taken the time to figure out what "patriotism" is. They just make the assumption (or push this idea) that whatever they have been force fed must be "patriotism".
The system is very broken, which is why I push Proportional Representation.
Mac1958
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"The Truth". There's that word again.
Both far ends of the spectrum just love tossing that word around, politicizing it, as if they own it.
What is your personal definition of "The Truth"?
Maybe it's just to close to partisan in the dictionary for them?
an apt RX imho Frigid one.......add term limits.....a third party.....and lobbyist caps....that would be a start
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frigidweirdo
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I think the thing with "patriotism", especially for the right, is that they can then justify anything.
"Patriotism" used the way they use it, is one step away from fascism. Fascism wants a dictator, the dictator knows best. Other people don't need to have opinions, it's already been thought out for them. Using "Patriotism" in their way, implies that this is the right way, no thought need to be given.
Fascism likes strong militaries, with parades and maybe a couple of invasions, national pride is built around being gung-ho and chest beating. "Patriotism" in their way is about respecting the military, giving precedence to the military, wanting leaders who had military experience, wanting those grunts in the military to be given special service, "thank you for your service" (to helping us make rich people richer).
Suppression of the opposition. "I'm a patriot, therefore if you oppose me, you are a traitor", it's simple, very simple, suppression of opposing ideas.
Third parties can only exist with a change in the way people vote. The FPTP system is a two party system. The UK has it. It has the right wing Tories, it has the left wing Labour, with the Lib Dems messing everything up for the left. In the last election the Tories had less than 1,000 votes more than the Lib Dems + Labour and yet they got 150 seats more.
In the top 23 seats for the highest majority going to the winning party party, Labour had all but four.
In the bottom 23 seats for lowest majority going to the winning party, the Tories had 12 of those, Labour had 8.
It's an unfair system that benefits the main two parties. Hits any party that has a similar party, which is why the Reps and Dems will not allow a third party. Which is why you end up with the Tea Party and Bernie Sanders in two parties they really should not be in.
evident on the USMB as a daily exercise Frigid one
i suppose we all have some level of denial mechanisms in us....
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100% lies. Not one single democrat on the planet looked at what Trump did and switched parties.
The only wars the Republicans don’t like are wars where Russia is a combatant. Trolls.
Republicans gave free rein to pull in overseas profits into the US with a tax break.
Trump-GOP Tax Law Encourages Companies to Move Jobs Offshore–and New Tax Cuts Won’t Change That
That pushes jobs overseas. Not one policy brought jobs home. As you can see no change in the growth rates from Obama to Trump of manufacturing jobs US based.
This is wage growth in the US. Trump had no impact on it.
And it’s more ridiculous claim over longer periods of time.
The reason Democrats don’t switch there views on here is that righties are all fake talking points. Not one thing you typed in your OP was a meaningful argument. Heck the data actually supports the opposite of what you say.
Republicans claim to be fiscal conservatives but run larger deficits than Democrats. They are not for less spending. They are for spending money on their preferred recipients.
Republicans have zero family values argument. It is a party of debauchery. They are only against abortion for others and get abortions at will themselves.
Republicans have zero patriotism. They supported Trumps attempt to physically claim the presidency. They don’t support improving our infrastructure. They oppose veterans burn pit victim aid. I could go on and on. The Republican Party is a long list of lies.
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frigidweirdo
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Yeah, I've noticed. Even the OP isn't willing to talk about it.
Kondor3
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Assaulting the Congress of the United States AFTER the several States had certified the results is NOT 'demanding an accurate count'.
It is vile traitorous behavior in support of an Orange Comb-Over Con-Man who bull$hitted you gullible sheeple into believing what even HE knew to be a lie.
Your tired overworked and long-since-discredited argument here is, itself, a Lie... and, like Rump's Big Lie itself, or Jay's Potato Chips, you can't eat just one.
Sux to be on the wrong side of Right-and-Wrong, and to be on the wrong side of History on this one, doesn't it?
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Who ever made excuses for them? Nobody that I read here, that's for sure.
Ray From Cleveland
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Nobody attempted to overthrow any government. More Communist propaganda.
The vast majority of Republicans in Congress on 1-6-21 voted in favor of the end of our democracy and the installation of Donald Trump as an unelected leader of our country, and they did this EVEN AFTER THE VIOLENT COUP ATTEMPT. In other words, they knowingly and purposely voted in favor of, what can only be described as fascism.
Like all of us, they knew that Biden won fairly and squarely, and because of that, they knew that the act of putting Trump in office was clearly a fascist move, and that is indisputable, since we all saw that with our own eyes. That also means that those in Congress who voted for Trump as our unelected leader are clearly by definition fascists.
The vast majority of Republicans running in both houses of Congress a couple of months ago, along with the vast majority of Republicans running in statewide offices and state legislatures, openly supported the coup, the end of democracy in America, and the installation of Trump as our unelected leader, even though the people clearly rejected his candidacy.
Those are indisputable facts, so given that reality, how can republicans not repudiate the party as a whole for this unforgivable act?
SeaMajor7
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Blah blah blah fucking blah! Thanks for clearly demonstrating exactly what YOUR J/6 Reichstag Fire was all about, "erasing" everything GOOD that Trump accomplished.
Fuck off carrion crow!
Kondor3
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In my mind's eye, every time I hear someone justify the assault on Congress by citing false claims of election-stealing, that is "making excuses for them".
Your mileage may (and seemingly does) vary.
Kondor3
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Thank you for your feedback...Blah blah blah fucking blah! Thanks for clearly demonstrating exactly what YOUR J/6 Reichstag Fire was all about, "erasing" everything GOOD that Trump accomplished.
Fuck off carrion crow!
Ray From Cleveland
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It has nothing to do with mileage, it has to do with the difference between truth and lies. I speak the truth, you promote lies. One saying they also believe the election was stolen is not supporting the riot. It's Communist propaganda.
Indeependent
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Present evidence there was.
Liberals always ask to prove a negative.
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Sure, fair question.
I'll give you a classic example:
When the media says Trump promoted a violent insurrection on the capital, but the video footage clearly shows him saying that the crowd should march "peacefully and patriotically".
Hhhmmm. One of those things is not like the other.
Of course, I don't need to watch the video again (though I've seen it multiple times), I saw the original speech live.
Most Lefties have only seen the edited version released by the treacherous "JAN 6th COMMITEE".
Though I will concede the concept of truth can be nebulous, in this case I'd say it is pretty clear cut. An that has been a consistent theme of the Trump era - as it has driven our elites into desperate madness.
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They're worse because they are the globalists' undercover branch. Remember, Father Bush was head.of the CIA. He would have been president early if Reagan had died from the assassination attempt. What does that imply? He also was the first to coin the term "New World Order" gleefully in a public speech or interview....and every other president since him did the same....except Donald Trump.
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