A question for neocons on this board

[Dr Grump]

sorry...bushi...i stand corrected.

However, cheney was chief of staff for ford for awhile and elected to the house as wyoming's congressman-at-large in 1978, served in congress until 1989. He acquired leadership positions early becoming chairman of the republican policy committee in 1981, chairman of the republican conference in june 1987.

He's been one of the insiders since the '70s.

ratflmao!!!!

 

[Dr Grump]

1) I'm not playing
2) I'm on the money
3) Get over yourself. Terms change. Sure, you don't like the fact that it has changed, but that's neither here nor there.

Thanks for playing....

Terms don't change because the opposition wants them to change. There is no Orwellian license here.

Terms change all the time.
Look at the original definition of communism, and how it is applied now - especially by the right

 

[Si modo]

1) I'm not playing
2) I'm on the money
3) Get over yourself. Terms change. Sure, you don't like the fact that it has changed, but that's neither here nor there.

Thanks for playing....

Terms don't change because the opposition wants them to change. There is no Orwellian license here.

Terms change all the time.
Look at the original definition of communism, and how it is applied now - especially by the right

Ignorance of definition is no excuse to redefine. But, if you find having your own personal lexicon not based on fact to be an effective communication tool, go for it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Terms don't change because the opposition wants them to change. There is no Orwellian license here.

Terms change all the time.
Look at the original definition of communism, and how it is applied now - especially by the right

Ignorance of definition is no excuse to redefine. But, if you find having your own personal lexicon not based on fact to be an effective communication tool, go for it.

It was the right who redefined the word communism....go figure...

As for ignorance, next time you see a biker looking really happy and laughing his head off, go ask him why he's so gay...

 

[Si modo]

Terms change all the time.
Look at the original definition of communism, and how it is applied now - especially by the right

Ignorance of definition is no excuse to redefine. But, if you find having your own personal lexicon not based on fact to be an effective communication tool, go for it.

It was the right who redefined the term communism....go figure...

They did? Being on the right, I wasn't aware that any redefinition of communism has occurred.

 

[Dr Grump]

They did? Being on the right, I wasn't aware that any redefinition of communism has occurred.

Communism was originally defined as an economic system whereby all the wealth was made and distributed by the people as a collective. It then became a term used to describe totalitarian regimes in the former Soviet Union and China.

BTW, I added a sentence to my last post...

 

[Si modo]

They did? Being on the right, I wasn't aware that any redefinition of communism has occurred.

Communism was originally defined as an economic system whereby all the wealth was made and distributed by the people as a collective. It then became a term used to describe totalitarian regimes in the former Soviet Union and China. ....

That is still the definition, pretty much.

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840

1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively​

(Merriam-Webster)

Hmmm. Not a mention of Soviets or Chinese.

But please do give me a contact so that I can write to them for a copy of your particular lexicon.

.... BTW, I added a sentence to my last post...

I see.

 

[Si modo]

And, look at that, neoconservatism.

Main Entry: neo·con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: \ˌnē-ō-kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
Function: noun
Date: 1952

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

— neo·con·ser·va·tism \-və-ˌti-zəm\ noun

— neoconservative adjective​

Yup, I don't speak Newspeak yet.

 

[Dr Grump]

That is still the definition, pretty much.

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840

1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively​

(Merriam-Webster)

Hmmm. Not a mention of Soviets or Chinese.

But please do give me a contact so that I can write to them for a copy of your particular lexicon.

.... BTW, I added a sentence to my last post...

I see.

The bolded part. If you can find me a dictionary that used that as part of its definition when the word first came into being I'd be very interested.....(hint, you won't - the word was changed and bastardised - go figure!)

 

[Dr Grump]

And, look at that, neoconservatism.

Main Entry: neo·con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: \ˌnē-ō-kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
Function: noun
Date: 1952

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

— neo·con·ser·va·tism \-və-ˌti-zəm\ noun

— neoconservative adjective​

Yup, I don't speak Newspeak yet.

And since Bush came to power the word has been bastardised. The only ones who don't seem to like it are those that get called one under its redefined meaning...wonder why...

 

[Si modo]

That is still the definition, pretty much.

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840

1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively​

(Merriam-Webster)

Hmmm. Not a mention of Soviets or Chinese.

But please do give me a contact so that I can write to them for a copy of your particular lexicon.

.... BTW, I added a sentence to my last post...

I see.

The bolded part. If you can find me a dictionary that used that as part of its definition when the word first came into being I'd be very interested.....(hint, you won't - the word was changed and bastardised - go figure!)

I don't equate ideologies to regimes. Is that an equivocation allowed through Orwellian licensing?

 

[Si modo]

And, look at that, neoconservatism.

Main Entry: neo·con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: \ˌnē-ō-kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
Function: noun
Date: 1952

1 : a former liberal espousing political conservatism
2 : a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

— neo·con·ser·va·tism \-və-ˌti-zəm\ noun

— neoconservative adjective​

Yup, I don't speak Newspeak yet.

And since Bush came to power the word has been bastardised. The only ones who don't seem to like it are those that get called one under its redefined meaning...wonder why...

That is still the definition, pretty much.

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840

1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively​

(Merriam-Webster)

Hmmm. Not a mention of Soviets or Chinese.

But please do give me a contact so that I can write to them for a copy of your particular lexicon.

.... BTW, I added a sentence to my last post...

I see.

The bolded part. If you can find me a dictionary that used that as part of its definition when the word first came into being I'd be very interested.....(hint, you won't - the word was changed and bastardised - go figure!)

Now, now, Grump. You can't have it both ways just out of convenience. One MW definition is fine with you ("bastardized" in MW from it's original meaning, thus your thinking it is making your point) and the other MW definition is wrong?

Tsk, tsk.

 

[Oddball]

sorry...bushi...i stand corrected.

However, cheney was chief of staff for ford for awhile and elected to the house as wyoming's congressman-at-large in 1978, served in congress until 1989. He acquired leadership positions early becoming chairman of the republican policy committee in 1981, chairman of the republican conference in june 1987.

He's been one of the insiders since the '70s.

ratflmao!!!!

Never seen you correct yourself before, chump.

 

[Fatality]

I'm not even sure WHAT a Neo-con is. Apparently, anytime anyone says anything that a Liberal disagrees with, that speaker is a neo con. It seems that if a Liberal calls someone a neo con, that about the worst thing a person can be called.

Any response after that label is applied is not heard because it was issued by a neo con and not worthy of being heard.

A Neo-con is a politically correct name to call a jew without being labeled an anti-semite.

The persecution complex is a definite common factor between the neocons and the christian right. Wonder what those camps would do if they were truly persecuted?

persecution exists on many levels.

 

[QUENTIN]

A simplistic description of what one actually is is a big government Democrat without the compassion - updated with the realization that the USA should take over the world and has no issues with killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians and children and wasting trillions of tax dollars and borrowed money to do so when it is in the best interests of the military-industrial complex, oil companies, or the other wealthy corporate titans who pay for our campaigns

Fixed that for you.

It doesn't have anything to do with religion or social conservatism, that's true, that's just the demographic they've cynically pandered to to get elected because their ideas don't have much real support among the general populace. Instead it's all about a barbaric lack of decency or respect for human life that sees wars of choice as the solution to everything and places business interests above national interests.

 

[CurveLight]

A Neo-con is a politically correct name to call a jew without being labeled an anti-semite.

The persecution complex is a definite common factor between the neocons and the christian right. Wonder what those camps would do if they were truly persecuted?

persecution exists on many levels.

Except neither of those camps realize that. Criticize neocon policies and you hate America. Criticize the Christian Right and you hate God and want to replace Christianity with Worship of Baby Eaters.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes, Dude is wrong, and, yes, the neo-cons are imperialists big government types pretending to be conservative Republicans. The neo-cons take you fools for a ride from 2001 to 2006. Now responsible grown ups are fixing up their mess.

Another public school prodigy chimes in....

(((YAWN)))

Typical adolescent response instead of addressing the contents of posts. I'm a Republican so your assumptions are way off and all of these trite childish responses offer nothing of value. Anyone who supports the Neocon agenda supports Liberalism. Is that why you accuse others of being liberals when you don't know shit about them?

 

[CurveLight]

Neo cons are liberals who embrace military pro-activism. In other words, they're liberals who believe in protecting themselves, their country, and protecting the rights of those abroad who are in danger from tyrannical governments which by nature spread if unchecked.

There are no neo-cons on this board. Unless Jillian happens to consider herself one. She actually fits the profile, but I don't think she self-identifies as one.

The neocon agenda is all about imperialism. They don't care what kind of government is in place in a different nation if that same nation disagrees with their goals. Just as they helped change Iraq into an Islamic theocracy they don't care what the thumb print looks like....as long as they can control the direction of that thumb.

Huh?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RbZNT5A2A"]PSYCHOBABBLE[/ame]

So if I understand this correctly, you don't know Iraq is an Islamic theocracy and the best response is a childish youtube clip? This is generally how wannabe neocons defend their views so it's nothing new but it gets old real fast.

 

[Si modo]

A simplistic description of what one actually is is a big government Democrat without the compassion - updated with the realization that the USA should take over the world and has no issues with killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians and children and wasting trillions of tax dollars and borrowed money to do so when it is in the best interests of the military-industrial complex, oil companies, or the other wealthy corporate titans who pay for our campaigns

Fixed that for you.

It doesn't have anything to do with religion or social conservatism, that's true, that's just the demographic they've cynically pandered to to get elected because their ideas don't have much real support among the general populace. Instead it's all about a barbaric lack of decency or respect for human life that sees wars of choice as the solution to everything and places business interests above national interests.

I guess you didn't see this:

From this point forward, since some want to abuse it, and others want to whine all over my PM box about it, altering quotes from other members will no longer be allowed until further notice.

If you do so, you will be warned the first time. Each time thereafter will result in a 1 point infraction.

Once again, you can thank the minority for the majority not being able to have nice things, that in context can be fun.

And, neocons do not see wars as solutions. Only under special circumstances is that the case and that has already been posted in the thread.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes, Dude is wrong, and, yes, the neo-cons are imperialists big government types pretending to be conservative Republicans. The neo-cons take you fools for a ride from 2001 to 2006. Now responsible grown ups are fixing up their mess.

*YOU* Don't even understand what a *NEOCON* is dipstick. I have challanged you idiots to define it and you fuckers still FAIL miserably.

Why is that? Why are you all so totally IGNORANT to the terms that you use?

EXPLAIN this to us, and I might relinquish my thoughts about you JakeMistake...

Irving Kristol defined a neocon as a "Liberal mugged by reality" in his book "Thoughts From a Neoconservative." Someone already posted a decent link from the CSM giving an adumbration of neoconservatism and that wasn't sufficient? I haven't seen you define Neoconservatism yet you accuse others of not knowing what it means?

Here is one of their main websites:
Welcome to the Project for the New American Century


Even Francis Fukuyama has repealed his support of the doctrine. I doubt you even know who that is, at least that's impression given so far.