A question for neocons on this board

[CurveLight]

Does anyone here disagree with the claim the Neocons are responsible for the invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan?
(yes....Afghanistan was an invasion based on bullshit reasons)

 

[Oddball]

actually the only ones claiming that the 'no fly zones' were illegal were Iraqi delegates to UN.

Wrong.

They weren't part of the cease-fire agreement, and were unilaterally imposed by the Bush regime.

Speaking of the bolded part, the '91 cease fire was only a suspension of hostilities, not a formal declaration of the end of the war.

 

[Dr Grump]

sorry...bushi...i stand corrected.

However, cheney was chief of staff for ford for awhile and elected to the house as wyoming's congressman-at-large in 1978, served in congress until 1989. He acquired leadership positions early becoming chairman of the republican policy committee in 1981, chairman of the republican conference in june 1987.

He's been one of the insiders since the '70s.

ratflmao!!!!

Never seen you correct yourself before, chump.

Have on a few occasions..tis rare though. I try and get my facts straight first, but I do err sometimes Dud....

 

[Oddball]

ratflmao!!!!

Never seen you correct yourself before, chump.

Have on a few occasions..tis rare though. I try and get my facts straight first, but I do err sometimes Dud....

Which means that you've not done that at one time or another, chump.

Looks like you can't clear the bar you set for others.

 

[CurveLight]

Bubba kept in place the economic sanctions and unilaterally imposed no fly zones over the airspace of another sovereign nation (Iraq) that BushI started. Those are defacto acts of war, you partisan hack-in-the-box lamebrain.

True, he kept those policies in place but since they were the fallout from the end of Desert Storm it's kinda hard to say they were "de facto acts of war."

The no-fly zones were not UN Sanctioned and were put in place by the US (anyone surprised?), Britain, and France. The "Humanitarian Crisis" was the bullshit reason given but the real damage was done by the US driven UN Sanctions.

actually the only ones claiming that the 'no fly zones' were illegal were Iraqi delegates to UN.

I didn't say anything about the legality of them. I pointed out.......

"However, unlike the military campaign to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait, the no-fly zones were not authorised by the UN and they are not specifically sanctioned by any Security Council resolution."


"But French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine has called on Washington to redefine its policy on Iraq and criticised the recent US-British airstrikes on Baghdad as having no legal basis in international law."
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | No-fly zones: The legal position

 

[Dr Grump]

Never seen you correct yourself before, chump.

Have on a few occasions..tis rare though. I try and get my facts straight first, but I do err sometimes Dud....

Which means that you've not done that at one time or another, chump.

Looks like you can't clear the bar you set for others.

No, I was just laughing at you making an ass of yourself. Typical neocon whackjob....makes a mistake and tries to turn it around to make somebody else look bad. Not only that, you were trying to belittle me due to my 'lack of knowledge', when in fact you were the one found wanting on that particular subject.

If I do a glorious **** up like you just did, feel free to laugh. My skin is obviously a lot thicker than yours, but you being a neocon whackjob, being thin skinned is part of your DNA....

 

[CurveLight]

The Sec-Gen at the time also challenged the no fly zones.

The Secretary-General of the UN at the time the resolution was passed, Boutros Boutros-Ghali called the no-fly zones "illegal" in a later interview with John Pilger[1][2].
Iraqi no-fly zones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Annie]

The Sec-Gen at the time also challenged the no fly zones.

The Secretary-General of the UN at the time the resolution was passed, Boutros Boutros-Ghali called the no-fly zones "illegal" in a later interview with John Pilger[1][2].
Iraqi no-fly zones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet, the resolution did pass...

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

You sure your I.Q. is as much as in double digits?

It's 84...and it still manages to make you look like a moron across all threads.

You fail to understand the concept of bluffing the enemy into submission, much like your hero Dubya.

No matter. If it isn't Clinton's fault it is Obama's fault...we all get your point. Bush isn't responsible for anything because everything can be blamed on others.

Bush is not Dude's hero. You couldn't be anymore wrong, than if you ran incessantly back and forth across a busy interstate.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

I will take "No one has clean hands in prior administrations dealing with terrorism and U.N. sanctions" for 1 billion dollars Alex.

 

[Oddball]

Bush is not Dude's hero. You couldn't be anymore wrong, than if you ran incessantly back and forth across a busy interstate.

She thrives on being wrong and/or purposefully naïve...Get used to it.

 

[CurveLight]

actually the only ones claiming that the 'no fly zones' were illegal were Iraqi delegates to UN.

Wrong.

They weren't part of the cease-fire agreement, and were unilaterally imposed by the Bush regime.

Speaking of the bolded part, the '91 cease fire was only a suspension of hostilities, not a formal declaration of the end of the war.

Can't have a formal declaration of the end of a war if there was no formal declaration of war.

(hint: the US has only had 5 formal declarations of War and Desert Storm was not one of them)

 

[Annie]

actually the only ones claiming that the 'no fly zones' were illegal were Iraqi delegates to UN.

Wrong.

They weren't part of the cease-fire agreement, and were unilaterally imposed by the Bush regime.

Speaking of the bolded part, the '91 cease fire was only a suspension of hostilities, not a formal declaration of the end of the war.

Can't have a formal declaration of the end of a war if there was no formal declaration of war.

(hint: the US has only had 5 formal declarations of War and Desert Storm was not one of them)

No shit, Sherlock. When was the last declaration of war?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

It has been my experience, that people who consider themselves Neoconservatives etc, are often social authoritarians as well as military authoritarians. Many of them truly believe it is our duty to save the world from itself, thereby keeping the U.S. safe and morally whole, in one way or another. Many of them love their big government just as much as Democrats like Pelosi. They may not come right out and admit it, but talking with them on various points, it becomes all too clear.

 

[Oddball]

No shit, Sherlock. When was the last declaration of war?

Kiss your mother with that keyboard?

There was no declaration of war in the first place, and you know that.

In any case, the no fly zones were not part of the cease fire and unilaterally imposed.

 

[CurveLight]

The Sec-Gen at the time also challenged the no fly zones.

The Secretary-General of the UN at the time the resolution was passed, Boutros Boutros-Ghali called the no-fly zones "illegal" in a later interview with John Pilger[1][2].
Iraqi no-fly zones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet, the resolution did pass...

The no-fly zones were not listed in the Resolutions. That is why their legality was called into question.

However, your initial claim that only "Iraqi delegates" challenged them is clearly false.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Violation of the no-fly zones was not a trigger for an UN-approved invasion of Iraq by the U.S. No one here can prove any such thing. The invasion was not sanctioned by the U.N.

 

[Oddball]

STFU, Joke, smart people are posting now.

 

[CurveLight]

Wrong.

They weren't part of the cease-fire agreement, and were unilaterally imposed by the Bush regime.

Speaking of the bolded part, the '91 cease fire was only a suspension of hostilities, not a formal declaration of the end of the war.

Can't have a formal declaration of the end of a war if there was no formal declaration of war.

(hint: the US has only had 5 formal declarations of War and Desert Storm was not one of them)

No shit, Sherlock. When was the last declaration of war?

I would say but it appears you wouldn't believe me even if I link the evidence. If you happened to agree would you believe me then?

 

[CurveLight]

It has been my experience, that people who consider themselves Neoconservatives etc, are often social authoritarians as well as military authoritarians. Many of them truly believe it is our duty to save the world from itself, thereby keeping the U.S. safe and morally whole, in one way or another. Many of them love their big government just as much as Democrats like Pelosi. They may not come right out and admit it, but talking with them on various points, it becomes all too clear.

That looks like a collage of the Christian Right (social authoritarian) with the Neocons (military authoritarian).
True Neocons are generally liberal on social policies but have kept that on the down low to gain the evangelical vote. Victor Gold has a decent book about how those two camps raped my Party 8 million ways from Tuesday. The CR, and this may be news to some, adore the Neocon ideology not for earthly goals but mainly from their eschatological view. They truly believe supporting our imperialism will help hasten the attack on Israel that will lead directly into their vision of the book of Revelations. Don't believe any of this is true? Look at how Palin was gathering resources to prepare Alaska to be a safe haven after the "Rapture."