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so now you at least have a correct citation, so we can get started (and you might want to dash of an email to your source to alert it to the error it is making claiming anything is on TY A"Z 40b.)Another story of the power of healing in the name of Yeshua the Messiah:
Examine the following:
Jerusalem Talmud Shabbat 14:4:12
A second case of a disciple of Yeshua from the village Sama in the Galilee who came to heal Rabbi Eleazar ben Sama who was bitten by a snake. Rabbi Ishmael prevents Jacob the disciple of Yeshua to heal Rabbi Eleazar ben Dama, and he dies from the snake bite. Rabbi Ishmael blesses the dear Rabbi Eleazar ben Dama with the following words: “you are blessed Ben Dama,“ that he was not healed by the name of Yeshua.
Both Rabbi Eleazar ben Dama and Rabbi Ishmael are aware of the power of the name of Yeshua for healing. Rabbi Eleazar ben Dama is willing to allow Jacob, the disciple of Yeshua, to exercise the power of the name of Yeshua to heal him, but Rabbi Eleazar is prevented by Rabbi Ishmael from allowing Jacob, the disciple of Yeshua, to heal Rabbi Eleazar from the bite of a poisonous snake, and Rabbi Eleazar dies. At this point, Rabbi Ishmael praises Rabbi Eleazar for dying rather than being healed by Yeshua’s name.
The deep hatred that existed in the 2nd century CE between non-believing Jews and the Jews who accepted Yeshua as Messiah was so deep that Rabbi Ishmael preferred his friend and fellow Rabbi to die rather than be healed by the name of Yeshua. It was clear to both Rabbi Eleazar and Rabbi Ishmael that there is a power of healing in the name of Yeshua and that Rabbi Eleazar would have been healed if Jacob, the disciple of Yeshua, had prayed over Rabbi Eleazar’s snake bite in Yeshua’s name. The Talmud affirms that Yeshua’s name was powerful for healing, even from a bite of a deadly poisonous snake!
There are more stories in the Rabbinical texts highlighting the bitter hatred in the 3rd and 4th centuries CE. The Jews reacted against the persecution and discrimination of Gentile Christians in the Eastern Roman Empire. This deep hatred and separation between Jews and Roman Gentile Christians were a result of the Bar-Kochbah revolt of the early 2nd century CE, ending in 135 CE. With the execution of the leaders of the Revolt, including Rabbi Akiba and many Rabbis in the Land of Israel, the disciples of Yeshua integrated into Roman society, and by the middle of the 2nd century, they melted into Roman society, emulated their language and culture, and adopted anti-Jewish attitudes. We, as Jews, need to learn the simple principle that when seed is sown in the field, that is what will grow for us to eat. One of Yeshua’s great teachings is from Proverbs 24:17 and 25 :21
In Shabbat chapter 14, the text says that someone came " וּבָא יַעֲקֹב אִישׁ כְּפַר סָמָא מִשֵּׁם שֶׁל יֵשׁוּ פַּנְדֵּירָא לְרַפּוֹתוֹ"
I'm not interested in the fact that the text makes reference to Yeshu the son of Pandera.
from The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud
["Johann Maier concurs and adds that Ben Pandira had no connection to Jesus either [Johann Maier, Jesus von Nazareth in der talmudischen Uberlieferung, p. 237, cited in John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew, vol. I p. 106 n. 45]. Maier further denies that the passage in Sanhedrin 43a about the execution and disciples of Yeshu has anything to do with Jesus [Maier, p. 229, cited in Meier vol. I p. 107 n. 51]. John P. Meier, a Catholic priest and author of the most recent and highly acclaimed scholarly analysis of the evidence of Jesus' life, A Marginal Jew, which has even been added to the Anchor Bible Reference Library, takes a middle ground and says "While not accepting the full, radical approach of Maier, I think we can agree with him on one basic point: in the earliest rabbinic sources, there is no clear or even probable reference to Jesus of Nazareth" [Meier, vol. I p. 98]."]
What is more interesting is the use of the word "mishem" and not "b'shem." The former does not mean "in the name of" but "because of" as in Jerusalem Talmud Shekalim 7:2:4 where it is used twice. So no healing was being done in the name of anyone.
Oh wait -- have you actually studied the Jerusalem talmud and have an insight more informed than mine?