A question about I.C.E.

[jc456]

New name doesn’t mean it was created out of the blue. It evolved from INS

No shit Sherlock. So, is it doing a better job than the INS did?


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outstanding job.

Do we have less illegals in the country now than we did in 2003?


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not at all. without a wall that is impossible. that is why we need I.C.E. thanks for asking.

Then on what do you base your view they are doing an outstanding job?


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they are taking illegals out of this country, if they weren't doing an outstanding job, there'd be no need for sanctuary cities, eh?

Build the wall and put em out of business. that's your intention anyway.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No shit Sherlock. So, is it doing a better job than the INS did?


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outstanding job.

Do we have less illegals in the country now than we did in 2003?


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not at all. without a wall that is impossible. that is why we need I.C.E. thanks for asking.

Then on what do you base your view they are doing an outstanding job?


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they are taking illegals out of this country, if they weren't doing an outstanding job, there'd be no need for sanctuary cities, eh?

Build the wall and put em out of business. that's your intention anyway.

That might be one of the dumbest post you have ever made, and that is a damn high bar for you


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[easyt65]

‘I’m Confused’— ICE Official Takes Democratic Senator To School

Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) received a quick lesson on U.S. immigration law from ICE official Matthew Albence during a hearing on Capitol Hill on Tuesday.


Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii):
“Would you send your child to [the Federal Relocation Center]?”




ICE official Matthew Albence:
“Again, I think we’re missing the point. These individuals are there because they have broken a law. There has to be a process.”


Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii):
“They have broken a law only as deemed so by the president”



ICE official Matthew Albence:
“No, ma’am. They’re there for violation of Title 8 of the immigration of the U.S. and Nationality Act. OK? They’re 8 USC 1325 — that’s illegal entry — is both a criminal and civil violation”



NO WONDER DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR & PROTECTING ILLEGALS - THEY ARE SO F*ING STUPID THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW US IMMIGRATION LAW AND KNOW THAT COMING INTO THE US IN VIOLATION OF EXISTING US IMMIGRATION LAW IS A CRIME!

 

[Unkotare]

So what does ICE do?

ICE is made up of three major offices, one of which has overshadowed the others.

Enforcement and Removal Operations, the best-known division of ICE, arrests, detains and deports unauthorized immigrants already inside the United States. The office had about 7,900 full-time employees and a $3.8 billion budget in the 2017 fiscal year, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

Under President Barack Obama, the division prioritized removing undocumented immigrants who had committed serious crimes in the United States. Mr. Trump, after taking office, took a more hard-line stance and directed his administration to target anyone in the country illegally.

Beyond Enforcement and Removal Operations is the lesser-known Homeland Security Investigations, which pursues criminals and terrorists involved in drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, cybercrime, financial crimes and identity fraud. It is also the lead government agency for counterproliferation investigations, and targets individuals who illegally try to smuggle military and other high-tech equipment out of the United States.

With 8,300 full-time employees, H.S.I. is larger than E.R.O., although its $2 billion budget is smaller. It operates 26 offices across the country and about 50 internationally.

The Office of the Principal Legal Adviser is the smallest division of ICE. It employs about 1,400 workers who provide legal support to other employees and represent the government in immigration courts.

I imagine that all the screaming would be the worst part of working for them.

Get it?

 

[Darkwind]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

At the end of this video is a list of just some of the things that ICE does. The list is not exhaustive.

 

[jc456]

outstanding job.

Do we have less illegals in the country now than we did in 2003?


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not at all. without a wall that is impossible. that is why we need I.C.E. thanks for asking.

Then on what do you base your view they are doing an outstanding job?


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they are taking illegals out of this country, if they weren't doing an outstanding job, there'd be no need for sanctuary cities, eh?

Build the wall and put em out of business. that's your intention anyway.

That might be one of the dumbest post you have ever made, and that is a damn high bar for you


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how so? why don't you explain it to me what you find dumb. Are you saying sanctuary cities don't exist? you're confused as usual.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Post those you claim have been arrested repeatedly and deported 6 or 7 times.

Here's another one....


Illegal immigrant deported 5 times from US sentenced for third DUI

In CA a second or subsequent DUI can be filed as a felony. Any DUI with injury is a felony in CA.

So far we have from you two data points vis a vis hundreds of families displaced, separated and that includes children under five. I get Callous Conservatism, it is evil and those who support it are evil too.

 

[jc456]

Post those you claim have been arrested repeatedly and deported 6 or 7 times.

Here's another one....


Illegal immigrant deported 5 times from US sentenced for third DUI

In CA a second or subsequent DUI can be filed as a felony. Any DUI with injury is a felony in CA.

So far we have from you two data points vis a vis hundreds of families displaced, separated and that includes children under five. I get Callous Conservatism, it is evil and those who support it are evil too.

the families shouldn't be here then. dude, there welcome to leave. this is my country and they weren't invited. I give two shits about the harm those families placed on their kids.

 

[Crixus]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

Lol, you are a whoot!

 

[easyt65]

So far we have from you two data points .

Thank you for pointing out that one of your ignorant snowflake pals on USMB challenged me to provide a link to even one story / report about illegals being deported 5 or more times only to come back to the US and commit more crimes...

... and MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

 

[easyt65]

Post those you claim have been arrested repeatedly and deported 6 or 7 times.

Here's another one....


Illegal immigrant deported 5 times from US sentenced for third DUI

In CA a second or subsequent DUI can be filed as a felony. Any DUI with injury is a felony in CA.

So far we have from you two data points vis a vis hundreds of families displaced, separated and that includes children under five. I get Callous Conservatism, it is evil and those who support it are evil too.

the families shouldn't be here then. dude, there welcome to leave. this is my country and they weren't invited. I give two shits about the harm those families placed on their kids.

Snowflakes were brainwashed years ago when Barry invited the President of Mexico to speak to the US from the floor of Congress, and during that speech the Mexican President lectured the US on how we have no right to have and enforce our own Immigration policy.

This ignorant D-MORON from Hawaii is not an abrasion but an actual true representation of the Democratic party - someone who ignorant people thought was smarter than they were (which is scary) and sent them to DC to represent them only to HAVE THAT PERSON expose to God and the world that she is so stupid she actually thought illegals were only being sent to this detention facility because TRUMP deemed these people coming into the country to be criminals....to expose she was / is SO STUPID she actually had no clue that we have existing Immigration laws and that coming into the US in violation of the laws makes them criminals.



For exposing 'your' ignorance - for exposing the fact that 'you' are THAT stupid - 'you' should be escorted out and sent back home on a short bus (to a plane for Hawaii) with a note pinned to 'your' shirt telling the people who elected 'you' to 'TRY AGAIN'!

 

[JGalt]

Agreed.

The terrorists won when they forced us to give up our freedom.

Actually, they lost when we forfeited some of out freedoms. Had we not done that, they would be carrying out 9/11-style attacks every week.

No, they won. Their whole goal was to change our way of life, and by handing over our rights and freedoms, they did just that.

Need I remind you of the quote...Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Better to have your habits and way of life changed a little, than to die in a terrorist attack. Like was once said: "We sleep soundly in our beds at night only because of rough men (and women) who are willing to do violence on our behalf."

Or something like that.

Shit, people didn’t use to lock their doors! GG fk is just that

I don't lock my door. . . .

You're a more trusting soul than I am. We live out in the country 12 miles from a 5,000 population town, and I always lock the doors.

 

[bendog]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

See how the far left will rewrite history?

Silly far left drones forget about the INS..

Immigration and Naturalization Service - Wikipedia

You are not very bright, are you?


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We know you aren’t that’s for fking sure

He's just looking for a political angle to make the Abolish ICE movement look justified.........which it is not.........

Damage Control............the far left unhinged............Americans will not go with that..............hope they keep chanting it.......political suicide unless your in a blue district of unhinged souls.

That is a problem for the dems and their leftmost wing.

But the questions should be how do we most cheaply get temporary workers, and I don't really care for federal standards, and how can we comport with out law of due process and most expediently and permanently deport people who shouldn't be here.

ICE was initially more or less a law enforcement terrorism organization. From my personal experience its not very efficient at immigration. But I said on another thread and I'll say it here, we need a top to bottom reform of how we treat immigration, but it's not going to happen with Trump who merely plays to his base for emotions and poll numbers, and if it ever happens both parties will have to accept no more than 55% of what they want with not liking much of the other 45%.

 

[eagle1462010]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

See how the far left will rewrite history?

Silly far left drones forget about the INS..

Immigration and Naturalization Service - Wikipedia

You are not very bright, are you?


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We know you aren’t that’s for fking sure

He's just looking for a political angle to make the Abolish ICE movement look justified.........which it is not.........

Damage Control............the far left unhinged............Americans will not go with that..............hope they keep chanting it.......political suicide unless your in a blue district of unhinged souls.

That is a problem for the dems and their leftmost wing.

But the questions should be how do we most cheaply get temporary workers, and I don't really care for federal standards, and how can we comport with out law of due process and most expediently and permanently deport people who shouldn't be here.

ICE was initially more or less a law enforcement terrorism organization. From my personal experience its not very efficient at immigration. But I said on another thread and I'll say it here, we need a top to bottom reform of how we treat immigration, but it's not going to happen with Trump who merely plays to his base for emotions and poll numbers, and if it ever happens both parties will have to accept no more than 55% of what they want with not liking much of the other 45%.

Nice blame on Trump, while for 3 decades the Gov't hasn't done jack squat to fix the problem.

You just went right by and missed the information I posted??? Some don't want to fix it because they want the cheap labor without being legal.
Others for political power and votes..........

You don't like the Federal standards on agro..............spell it out.............I cited specifics to the laws...........and the LEGAL WAY OF DOING WORK.........

What laws and regs there do you want changed..............

 

[Doc1]

ICE isn't going anywhere, it's part of the 2001 installation of the Police State that is now America.

 

[MisterBeale]

Actually, they lost when we forfeited some of out freedoms. Had we not done that, they would be carrying out 9/11-style attacks every week.

No, they won. Their whole goal was to change our way of life, and by handing over our rights and freedoms, they did just that.

Need I remind you of the quote...Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Better to have your habits and way of life changed a little, than to die in a terrorist attack. Like was once said: "We sleep soundly in our beds at night only because of rough men (and women) who are willing to do violence on our behalf."

Or something like that.

Shit, people didn’t use to lock their doors! GG fk is just that

I don't lock my door. . . .

You're a more trusting soul than I am. We live out in the country 12 miles from a 5,000 population town, and I always lock the doors.

I live in a village of around 900 folks, right downtown. All my neighbors know who belongs around, and who doesn't. I'm not worried.

But I live about 10 miles away from a city of 40,000 that was ranked by Forbes magazine in 2010 as the 4th best place in the nation to raise a family.

Yes, life is pretty good around here, everyone looks out for everyone else, it's pretty much Mayberry. We all know the cops, they know us. When I had my kid, I moved back here to raise him for that very reason. This place was un-affected by the Great Depression of the 1930's.

There are poor, and crime, but if shit happens, it gets back to ya, someone finds out who did what. I just don't live in fear.

When I lived in the inner city in another town, they just broke the windows if the door was locked, so what the hell? If they want to come in when you aren't home, they are going to get in.

 

[MisterBeale]

. . . and don't kid yourself, cops in other places don't give a shit.

 

[SmokeALib]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

 

[eagle1462010]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

They hand out subsidy money to their buddies...........LOL...........including Congressmen and women. ........LOL

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

ICE does not protect the border