A Nice Explanation of Why "Evolution" is Nonsense

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wrong area buddy, go and post your drivel here:

That applies more to this thread than it does anything else.

 

[Eman623]

Evolution is well established fact. We can discuss it but not deny it

Who made you the boss of everyone?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Who made you the boss of everyone?

Hahaha, you think he's saying it's a fact "because I say so"...?

It is a fact. Yes, this thread is a sad joke.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Who cares what Grok says about evolution?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'll never understand the trouble so many go to in trying to show they are right.

Neither side can "prove" much of anything. I could argue we are an alien experiment and nobody can prove or disprove that either.

It's Turtles all the way down.

Haha.... wuuuut

Evolution is as "proven" as anything can be proven. It's now a fact.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's currently agreed to be the best explanation we have for present evidence.

It's also currently agreed to be a fact.

No, new evidence will not upend it, just as new evidence will not upend the fact that the earth revolves about the sun.

 

[Eman623]

Hahaha, you think he's saying it's a fact "because I say so"...?

It is a fact. Yes, this thread is a sad joke.

It is, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and if the OP author wants to deny evolution, that's his business.

 

[pknopp]

Haha.... wuuuut

Evolution is as "proven" as anything can be proven. It's now a fact.

And yet it isnt.

 

[scruffy]

And yet it isnt.

It's a theory. Just like the "theory" of gravity.

And just like gravity, it's supported by millions upon millions of reproducible and independently verifiable pieces of evidence.

Denying evolution is like denying gravity.

You're entitled to your opinion, but people will just laugh at you every time you say "gravity doesn't exist".

And if you do it in a public forum, you'll get pushback and people will ridicule your Luddite beliefs.

Biophysical evolution occurs all around us every single day. You can watch it with your own two eyes if you're willing to take the blinders off.

If you're not willing to take the blinders off it's your own damn problem and it has nothing to do with evolution.

 

[fncceo]

If you are desperate to prove that there is no God, for a wide number of reasons, evolution is the only game in town

Nothing in the current Theory of Evolution negates the existence of G-d. It merely challenges a literal translation of Beresheit (The Book of Genesis to y'all).

If we accept that G-d didn't literally make man from clay and woman from a rib then another explanation is required. Evolution is a mechanism that we know exists in nature where random genetic mutations (which we know happen frequently) are passed to offspring which may, or may not, contribute to its ability to pass those mutations on to its own offspring.

This is a powerful biological force that could very well be the tool used by G-d to create our world and possibly many others.

We CAN believe that G-d sculpts every creature (including the mutation) individually from clay every moment of every day -- OR -- we could CAN believe that G-d uses the powerful tools already working in the universe to work smart, not just hard.

But, most important, it doesn't really matter what you (or anyone else) believe regarding the creation of life in this universe. Your personal belief will have no impact on the processes that continue to mold life in that universe.

 

[pknopp]

It's a theory. Just like the "theory" of gravity.

And just like gravity, it's supported by millions upon millions of reproducible and independently verifiable pieces of evidence.

Denying evolution is like denying gravity.

You're entitled to your opinion, but people will just laugh at you every time you say "gravity doesn't exist".

And if you do it in a public forum, you'll get pushback and people will ridicule your Luddite beliefs.

Biophysical evolution occurs all around us every single day. You can watch it with your own two eyes if you're willing to take the blinders off.

If you're not willing to take the blinders off it's your own damn problem and it has nothing to do with evolution.

Nice ramble.

 

[cnm]

And as I said, evolution does not even address our origins.

Which evolutionary scientist says the theory of evolution is supposed to or does address our origins?

 

[scruffy]

Nice ramble.

Thank you.

Do you have anything more substantive to contribute or are you just enamored with my command of the English language?

 

[scruffy]

It's also a weird lie, since clearly the theory of abiogensis includes the correct premise that once there was no life.

As you know I disagree with this concept.

Life is built in to the basic physics of the universe. There is life at 0 degrees Kelvin.

You can call it "quantum fluctuations" if you want, I call it life.

Complexity is not "life", it merely gives life a complex form.

Complexity is not the mystery, it's the underlying mechanism that's the mystery.

Evolution is physics. There is a generative process that enables combinatorics, and a selective process that allows the attractors to exert their influence.

One of the most useful ways of looking at life is considering it in terms of stability. To support life, there can't be too much stability or too little. There has to be just the right amount to make it work.

Google "Markov blanket", and fish around a little. The term has a specific meaning in mathematics.

 

[cnm]

No, new evidence will not upend it,

Then it's probably not a scientific theory.

 

[Old Rocks]

The more concerning thing is how those in academia who dare question such things as evolution are black balled and probably will lose their jobs.

Universities should be a place where you are free to question anything and everything instead of being indoctrination centers.

This movie is worth a watch on the issue.

Bullshit. Evolution is a fact, the theory is the driving force that creates evolution. Yes, we are taught to question everything in science, but bring evidence before you declare a well tested theory invalid. Thus far there has not been any valid evidence to show that evolution did not happen, and no evidence presented that Natural Selection is not part of the process. Mere flap yap by whackadoodles that immediately connect political beliefs to their opposition to scientific evidence is not acceptable evidence.

 

[Old Rocks]

My main beef is with the theory of abiogenesis, although I think that the theory of evolution is full of holes.

Evolution is not a theory, it is a fact, proven by the DNA in every cell in your body. Proven by millions of fossils in the geologic record. Abiogenesis is still not well understood, however the problem is not how it occurred, but which of the multiplicity of ways in which it could have occurred.

 

[Old Rocks]

I am in no way advocating science takes up the mantle of preaching the Bible because science cannot directly detect a God that is a self described unmaterial entity that is not subject to the material universe and outside of time itself because the God of the Bible makes the claim that he created time itself along with the rest of the material universe.

My point is, from a scientific perspective, is that any attack on evolution is to be perceived as going the direction of doing just that, because what else is there?

It is an angst far greater than letting a woman upstage a male dominated field of science, and by a student, no less.

If you want to attack the fact of evolution, you are going to have to present evidence concerning why our DNA shows us related to all other life on Earth. Also the fact of the geological evidence that life started simple and evolved complexity from that simple start. If you want to disagree with Darwin's theory of evolution, Natural Selection, you are going to have to demonstrate that environment has not influence on species evolution. You perspective is that you don't like that we demand the same kind of evidence that we presented for the fact of evolution and the theories of evolution from those that wish to prove evolution wrong. And most that do deny the fact of evolution are basing it on their Biblical beliefs.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

"Evolution is a wonderful explanation for the living world around us that has no basis in scientific reality. Invoking millions of years and processes unknown and presently not reproducible, scientists simply say that it is a fact and like with the Covid/pangolin nexus, tell you to keep your mouth shut if you think otherwise."

The Biggest Lie of Them All

Exploring the biggest lie: evolution and its impact on belief and society.

townhall.com

Many of us have had similar reactions to the religion of Evolution, a religion that is believed most fervently by people with zero scientific background. This guy has the scientific chops to make the case more forcefully than most people, while stating his rationale in a way that is understandable to any literate reader.

Give it ten minutes; you will be glad you did.

Much more probable that a Gd just plopped down a male and then ripped his rib out and made a woman, ain't it?

 

[Old Rocks]

Then it's probably not a scientific theory.

True, evolution is not a theory, but a fact. The drivers of evolution are the theories.