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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
 

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democrats are moving too far left
republicans have gone too far right
i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days
we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates
I've largely given up on this idea, considering the stranglehold the two "major" parties have on our election system. Plus, if such a party can't appear NOW, as ridiculous and polarized as things are, one NEVER will.

What I'm hoping now is that one of the parties will wake up and realize that a majority of the country wants moderation and cooperation, and be the first to take advantage of that. The problem is that the wings have most of the energy, and therefore the influence.

I don't know what fixes this.
It is actually more simple than you realize.
The Constitution is not a living document. It is a guideline.
It has resulted in the development of a union
It has allowed the freeing of people in bondage
It has allowed for fair elections
It has allowed for a SCOTUS that makes monumental decisions
It has allowed for the right to vote for women
It has allowed for the right to vote for all Americans
It has allowed for equal rights for all Americans
It has allowed for 3 equal branches of government offering checks and balances.

Sure, we were imperfect as a country back in the 1700's....we were new, we had habits of our heritages.....but it is our constitution that FORCED us to right our wrongs.

So what fixes it? Let the constitution do its job.

It really isnt that difficult. Only to the politicians who are trying to get votes.

And THAT is the problem.
Let the Constitution do what? Mind explaining further?
Not to start an argument. What is considered moderate these days? Like for these topics:
abortion
healthcare
taxes
national defense
foreign policy at large
What is the moderate position on each?
Abortion is the closest to being a binary argument. The rest all exist along a continuum and are not binary.

And I think we've fallen into a trap, thinking that one side has to "win" on any given issue, and one side has to "lose".

How about both sides collaborating, innovating, and creating something NEW, like our Constitution? That way we all have skin in the game.

America used to be able to innovate, back when we were great.
I agree, progress is only made through compromise and collaboration. But, that's not really a stance it's just asking the current parties to talk to each other. I was more curious as to what are the political beliefs of a moderate. Usually when they are asked it's quite clear that they would more than fit into one party or the other.
I think there are a couple of characteristics, depending on the individual moderate. So:
  • Some moderates have strong feelings on any given issue, but their opinions as a whole don't fit with one of the tribes. So, a moderate may be passionately pro choice and passionately pro lowering income taxes. Neither tribe, then, is a fit for them.
  • Some moderates really do want to find some kind of middle ground on most issues. They believe that there are decent or fair arguments on both ends, and want to at least begin the conversation by finding shared views and going from there.
  • Some moderates think that both tribes are narcissistic gasbags and would rather just approach each issue on its own merits, taking some ideas from column A, some from column B, and the rest from new ideas.
My two cents, anyway.
I don't think you have to be a 'moderate' to want to compromise. As a liberal, I'd rather get something rather than nothing.

But since this thread is about a moderate party, what is that exactly? How are a group of people who claim to be in the middle however their various opinions on a range of topics will individually slide from liberal to conservative leaning is supposed to make up a cohesive political party?
That I couldn't tell you, since we've never really had one. I think a glimpse of it came a few years ago when there was talk of a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket.

But to your point, I think a party that was clearly committed to collaboration and new ideas would draw many people who didn't necessarily agree with its candidates on every issue. So the appeal would be more about general approach than specific positions.
Please do not build John Kasich into what he is not. He is far from moderate.
Lets see.
the constitution allowed for women to vote. It was only because of the constitution that were given the right to vote. I agree with the decision and I respect it.
The consitution allowed for the decision of Roe V Wade. I disagree with the decision, but I respect it.

You see, our constitution was written in a way where it allowed for debate and it allowed for majority decision and implementation of laws and rights.

Seems to be working well.

Albeit, there are those that say it is a living document and we must adjust to it.

To me? That is wrong. It is a document and we must apply it....not Obey it....that would be wrong....apply it. And that is what we do.

And it is working.
Good points but it only works when people stand up for rights. I think that is why many call it a living document.
We have three branches of government. 2 of them are elected and one is appointed by the executive branch...however...with the confirmation of the senate. Those elections are how people can stand up for their rights. But when people are voted in they still must adhere to the constitution as it is a guidance for legislative decisions made by those elected.
Sure, protests are good....and they allow the legislators to hesitate and reconsider....but it is the constitution that keeps them in check and not simply do what they want to do for votes, but instead so what the constitution has deemed best for the overall good.
I know...the left would love to toss the constitution. But without it? We would not have women voting, African Americans voting. abortion legalized. The ACLU pushing rights of Americans.
The constitution ensures we do the right thing and not do something that can be damaging.
A good example is the ACA. Justice Roberts was well aware that the constitution does not allow for forcing anyone to purchase something from the day they are born to the day they die. So he called it a tax.
For right or wrong and regardless of how you feel...it was the constitution that guided that decision. And without the creativity of Justice Roberts, the act was unconstitutional.

Just thin about this....what if a law was passed that said you MUST buy only American made cars....and you MUST buy it at no age older than 18? It is the constitution that prevents such ridiculous laws being imposed on the American People.
You abject to health care as a right? I do not. Millions of others feel as I do.
healthcare is a product/service supplied by other people not a right,, unless of course you support slavery,,
Health care for all is slavery? I disagree.
what else do you call forced labor???
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
conservatives are,,, its they vote for republicans thats the problem,,
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days.

moderate

dont want civil war
dont want religious laws
laws based on logic, reason and necessity
government out of private life
police do their jobs without killing people in the streets
fair tax system
affordable education
affordable healthcare

limit immigration to people who;
speak enough english to get by
have employment ready for them
will not get goverment handouts

stop the war on pot
all citizens have equal rights and protections

be more small business friendly
Fair tax system, affordable education, affordable healthcare? What does any of that mean? Limit immigration because they can or can’t speak English?

Laws based on logic, reason and necessity?

Sounds like politics by feelings. That is where we already are.
those are leftwing policies,,
We are discussing how to make things work, not left or right. You are just going off into blame and politics. Move on.
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days.

moderate

dont want civil war
dont want religious laws
laws based on logic, reason and necessity
government out of private life
police do their jobs without killing people in the streets
fair tax system
affordable education
affordable healthcare

limit immigration to people who;
speak enough english to get by
have employment ready for them
will not get goverment handouts

stop the war on pot
all citizens have equal rights and protections

be more small business friendly
Fair tax system, affordable education, affordable healthcare? What does any of that mean? Limit immigration because they can or can’t speak English?

Laws based on logic, reason and necessity?

Sounds like politics by feelings. That is where we already are.
those are leftwing policies,,
He basically said nothing, just words that sound good, that is where the trouble starts.
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days.

moderate

dont want civil war
dont want religious laws
laws based on logic, reason and necessity
government out of private life
police do their jobs without killing people in the streets
fair tax system
affordable education
affordable healthcare

limit immigration to people who;
speak enough english to get by
have employment ready for them
will not get goverment handouts

stop the war on pot
all citizens have equal rights and protections

be more small business friendly
Fair tax system, affordable education, affordable healthcare? What does any of that mean? Limit immigration because they can or can’t speak English?

Laws based on logic, reason and necessity?

Sounds like politics by feelings. That is where we already are.
those are leftwing policies,,
We are discussing how to make things work, not left or right. You are just going off into blame and politics. Move on.
making things work while violating the constitution is leftwing authoritarian politics,,
 

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democrats are moving too far left
republicans have gone too far right
i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days
we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates
I've largely given up on this idea, considering the stranglehold the two "major" parties have on our election system. Plus, if such a party can't appear NOW, as ridiculous and polarized as things are, one NEVER will.

What I'm hoping now is that one of the parties will wake up and realize that a majority of the country wants moderation and cooperation, and be the first to take advantage of that. The problem is that the wings have most of the energy, and therefore the influence.

I don't know what fixes this.
It is actually more simple than you realize.
The Constitution is not a living document. It is a guideline.
It has resulted in the development of a union
It has allowed the freeing of people in bondage
It has allowed for fair elections
It has allowed for a SCOTUS that makes monumental decisions
It has allowed for the right to vote for women
It has allowed for the right to vote for all Americans
It has allowed for equal rights for all Americans
It has allowed for 3 equal branches of government offering checks and balances.

Sure, we were imperfect as a country back in the 1700's....we were new, we had habits of our heritages.....but it is our constitution that FORCED us to right our wrongs.

So what fixes it? Let the constitution do its job.

It really isnt that difficult. Only to the politicians who are trying to get votes.

And THAT is the problem.
Let the Constitution do what? Mind explaining further?
Not to start an argument. What is considered moderate these days? Like for these topics:
abortion
healthcare
taxes
national defense
foreign policy at large
What is the moderate position on each?
Abortion is the closest to being a binary argument. The rest all exist along a continuum and are not binary.

And I think we've fallen into a trap, thinking that one side has to "win" on any given issue, and one side has to "lose".

How about both sides collaborating, innovating, and creating something NEW, like our Constitution? That way we all have skin in the game.

America used to be able to innovate, back when we were great.
I agree, progress is only made through compromise and collaboration. But, that's not really a stance it's just asking the current parties to talk to each other. I was more curious as to what are the political beliefs of a moderate. Usually when they are asked it's quite clear that they would more than fit into one party or the other.
I think there are a couple of characteristics, depending on the individual moderate. So:
  • Some moderates have strong feelings on any given issue, but their opinions as a whole don't fit with one of the tribes. So, a moderate may be passionately pro choice and passionately pro lowering income taxes. Neither tribe, then, is a fit for them.
  • Some moderates really do want to find some kind of middle ground on most issues. They believe that there are decent or fair arguments on both ends, and want to at least begin the conversation by finding shared views and going from there.
  • Some moderates think that both tribes are narcissistic gasbags and would rather just approach each issue on its own merits, taking some ideas from column A, some from column B, and the rest from new ideas.
My two cents, anyway.
I don't think you have to be a 'moderate' to want to compromise. As a liberal, I'd rather get something rather than nothing.

But since this thread is about a moderate party, what is that exactly? How are a group of people who claim to be in the middle however their various opinions on a range of topics will individually slide from liberal to conservative leaning is supposed to make up a cohesive political party?
That I couldn't tell you, since we've never really had one. I think a glimpse of it came a few years ago when there was talk of a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket.

But to your point, I think a party that was clearly committed to collaboration and new ideas would draw many people who didn't necessarily agree with its candidates on every issue. So the appeal would be more about general approach than specific positions.
Please do not build John Kasich into what he is not. He is far from moderate.
Lets see.
the constitution allowed for women to vote. It was only because of the constitution that were given the right to vote. I agree with the decision and I respect it.
The consitution allowed for the decision of Roe V Wade. I disagree with the decision, but I respect it.

You see, our constitution was written in a way where it allowed for debate and it allowed for majority decision and implementation of laws and rights.

Seems to be working well.

Albeit, there are those that say it is a living document and we must adjust to it.

To me? That is wrong. It is a document and we must apply it....not Obey it....that would be wrong....apply it. And that is what we do.

And it is working.
Good points but it only works when people stand up for rights. I think that is why many call it a living document.
We have three branches of government. 2 of them are elected and one is appointed by the executive branch...however...with the confirmation of the senate. Those elections are how people can stand up for their rights. But when people are voted in they still must adhere to the constitution as it is a guidance for legislative decisions made by those elected.
Sure, protests are good....and they allow the legislators to hesitate and reconsider....but it is the constitution that keeps them in check and not simply do what they want to do for votes, but instead so what the constitution has deemed best for the overall good.
I know...the left would love to toss the constitution. But without it? We would not have women voting, African Americans voting. abortion legalized. The ACLU pushing rights of Americans.
The constitution ensures we do the right thing and not do something that can be damaging.
A good example is the ACA. Justice Roberts was well aware that the constitution does not allow for forcing anyone to purchase something from the day they are born to the day they die. So he called it a tax.
For right or wrong and regardless of how you feel...it was the constitution that guided that decision. And without the creativity of Justice Roberts, the act was unconstitutional.

Just thin about this....what if a law was passed that said you MUST buy only American made cars....and you MUST buy it at no age older than 18? It is the constitution that prevents such ridiculous laws being imposed on the American People.
You abject to health care as a right? I do not. Millions of others feel as I do.
healthcare is a product/service supplied by other people not a right,, unless of course you support slavery,,
Health care for all is slavery? I disagree.
I don't agree it is slavery. But forcing someone to buy a product the day they are born until the day they die is unprecedented and inappropriate. You know, I had a choice to buy flood insurance and I chose not to. It cost me thousand of dollars when Sandy hit. My choice, my consequences.
How would you feel if a law was passed that said all American MUST, by law, allow at least one homeless person to live in your home under penalty of law?
How about this....every American, regardless of financial stability MUST under penalty of law, donate a minimum of 1500 a year to charity?
Was it slavery? No. Was it a mandate many could not afford? Yes.
Keep an open mind.
 

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republicans have gone too far right
How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?
Note how anynameyouwish Mac1958 HappyJoy ignore your simple question...why you ask?
Because they can’t give you an honest rational answer.
They hate that conservatives remain committed to preserving and protecting American history, traditions, values and laws.
What they really mean is;
“why do Conservatives resist and denounce our push to CHANGE America into the anything goes, no boundaries, commie-lite shithole we seek, why don’t they want all of America to become Mexifornia / Loon York?”
Ripping apart kids from their families, locking them up for months only to eventually permanently separate them from their parent. I don't think that is a moderate view point.
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
Conservatives are conservatives. They dont think they are anything. We live by an ideology that works well for us, not by a definition.
 

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i didnt say “policies”

i said the party itself has moved too far right

anti gay rights

the war on pot

advocating violence against their enemies

indulging a dictatorial traitor

agreeing that the only good democrat is a dead one
Yea, we agree that the only good Democrat is a dead one.

One out of five ain't bad.
Nah...Democrats keep us conservatives in check.

Im OK with that.

It is how it works.
Democrats have been the sole reason for compromise. The sole reason.
Thats doesnt make sense. It take a minimum of two to compromise.
I see you have never negotiated before.
I know it takes two to compromise.

The right is the side that always caves.

Democrats have been the sole reason for compromise.
so the one who caves is not the one who compromises?

Am I missing something here?

Yes, I am.

I am no idiot. One who compromises ensures the opposite doesnt cave. Instead those that compromise makes sure no one caves and both sides get some of what they want.

That is compromise.

I have absolutely no idea what you are saying.

Just to clarify...one side makes the other side cave and that is compromise?

Wow.
What is being said is that only the right ever compromises
The left never gives in.
When compromise happens it because the right is forced to compromise their values.
what you keep calling right is still leftwing,,, the repubes are right of dems but not rightwing,,
Stop.
 

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i didnt say “policies”

i said the party itself has moved too far right

anti gay rights

the war on pot

advocating violence against their enemies

indulging a dictatorial traitor

agreeing that the only good democrat is a dead one
Yea, we agree that the only good Democrat is a dead one.

One out of five ain't bad.
Nah...Democrats keep us conservatives in check.

Im OK with that.

It is how it works.
Democrats have been the sole reason for compromise. The sole reason.
Thats doesnt make sense. It take a minimum of two to compromise.
I see you have never negotiated before.
I know it takes two to compromise.

The right is the side that always caves.

Democrats have been the sole reason for compromise.
so the one who caves is not the one who compromises?

Am I missing something here?

Yes, I am.

I am no idiot. One who compromises ensures the opposite doesnt cave. Instead those that compromise makes sure no one caves and both sides get some of what they want.

That is compromise.

I have absolutely no idea what you are saying.

Just to clarify...one side makes the other side cave and that is compromise?

Wow.
What is being said is that only the right ever compromises
The left never gives in.
When compromise happens it because the right is forced to compromise their values.
what you keep calling right is still leftwing,,, the repubes are right of dems but not rightwing,,
Stop.
the truth hurts,, but its still the truth,,
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
Conservatives are conservatives. They dont think they are anything. We live by an ideology that works well for us, not by a definition.
Is that your definition?
 

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republicans have gone too far right
How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?
Note how anynameyouwish Mac1958 HappyJoy ignore your simple question...why you ask?
Because they can’t give you an honest rational answer.
They hate that conservatives remain committed to preserving and protecting American history, traditions, values and laws.
What they really mean is;
“why do Conservatives resist and denounce our push to CHANGE America into the anything goes, no boundaries, commie-lite shithole we seek, why don’t they want all of America to become Mexifornia / Loon York?”
Ripping apart kids from their families, locking them up for months only to eventually permanently separate them from their parent. I don't think that is a moderate view point.
That was the choice of the parents. They knew the consequences and made the decision they made.

An American citizen chooses to rob a convenience store and his wife is the getaway driver. The gain? Financial reward. The consequence if caught? Your children will be ripped apart from their parents as the parents go to jail.

Now....sure...you can say...."but they just wanted a better life for their children when they crossed the border"

So are you telling me American citizens that break the law are just selfish and not looking to make a better life for their family?
 

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democrats are moving too far left
republicans have gone too far right
i find myself appreciating rinos and dinos more these days
we need a third party for the majority of us who are moderates
I've largely given up on this idea, considering the stranglehold the two "major" parties have on our election system. Plus, if such a party can't appear NOW, as ridiculous and polarized as things are, one NEVER will.

What I'm hoping now is that one of the parties will wake up and realize that a majority of the country wants moderation and cooperation, and be the first to take advantage of that. The problem is that the wings have most of the energy, and therefore the influence.

I don't know what fixes this.
It is actually more simple than you realize.
The Constitution is not a living document. It is a guideline.
It has resulted in the development of a union
It has allowed the freeing of people in bondage
It has allowed for fair elections
It has allowed for a SCOTUS that makes monumental decisions
It has allowed for the right to vote for women
It has allowed for the right to vote for all Americans
It has allowed for equal rights for all Americans
It has allowed for 3 equal branches of government offering checks and balances.

Sure, we were imperfect as a country back in the 1700's....we were new, we had habits of our heritages.....but it is our constitution that FORCED us to right our wrongs.

So what fixes it? Let the constitution do its job.

It really isnt that difficult. Only to the politicians who are trying to get votes.

And THAT is the problem.
Let the Constitution do what? Mind explaining further?
Not to start an argument. What is considered moderate these days? Like for these topics:
abortion
healthcare
taxes
national defense
foreign policy at large
What is the moderate position on each?
Abortion is the closest to being a binary argument. The rest all exist along a continuum and are not binary.

And I think we've fallen into a trap, thinking that one side has to "win" on any given issue, and one side has to "lose".

How about both sides collaborating, innovating, and creating something NEW, like our Constitution? That way we all have skin in the game.

America used to be able to innovate, back when we were great.
I agree, progress is only made through compromise and collaboration. But, that's not really a stance it's just asking the current parties to talk to each other. I was more curious as to what are the political beliefs of a moderate. Usually when they are asked it's quite clear that they would more than fit into one party or the other.
I think there are a couple of characteristics, depending on the individual moderate. So:
  • Some moderates have strong feelings on any given issue, but their opinions as a whole don't fit with one of the tribes. So, a moderate may be passionately pro choice and passionately pro lowering income taxes. Neither tribe, then, is a fit for them.
  • Some moderates really do want to find some kind of middle ground on most issues. They believe that there are decent or fair arguments on both ends, and want to at least begin the conversation by finding shared views and going from there.
  • Some moderates think that both tribes are narcissistic gasbags and would rather just approach each issue on its own merits, taking some ideas from column A, some from column B, and the rest from new ideas.
My two cents, anyway.
I don't think you have to be a 'moderate' to want to compromise. As a liberal, I'd rather get something rather than nothing.

But since this thread is about a moderate party, what is that exactly? How are a group of people who claim to be in the middle however their various opinions on a range of topics will individually slide from liberal to conservative leaning is supposed to make up a cohesive political party?
That I couldn't tell you, since we've never really had one. I think a glimpse of it came a few years ago when there was talk of a Kasich/Hickenlooper ticket.

But to your point, I think a party that was clearly committed to collaboration and new ideas would draw many people who didn't necessarily agree with its candidates on every issue. So the appeal would be more about general approach than specific positions.
Please do not build John Kasich into what he is not. He is far from moderate.
Lets see.
the constitution allowed for women to vote. It was only because of the constitution that were given the right to vote. I agree with the decision and I respect it.
The consitution allowed for the decision of Roe V Wade. I disagree with the decision, but I respect it.

You see, our constitution was written in a way where it allowed for debate and it allowed for majority decision and implementation of laws and rights.

Seems to be working well.

Albeit, there are those that say it is a living document and we must adjust to it.

To me? That is wrong. It is a document and we must apply it....not Obey it....that would be wrong....apply it. And that is what we do.

And it is working.
Good points but it only works when people stand up for rights. I think that is why many call it a living document.
We have three branches of government. 2 of them are elected and one is appointed by the executive branch...however...with the confirmation of the senate. Those elections are how people can stand up for their rights. But when people are voted in they still must adhere to the constitution as it is a guidance for legislative decisions made by those elected.
Sure, protests are good....and they allow the legislators to hesitate and reconsider....but it is the constitution that keeps them in check and not simply do what they want to do for votes, but instead so what the constitution has deemed best for the overall good.
I know...the left would love to toss the constitution. But without it? We would not have women voting, African Americans voting. abortion legalized. The ACLU pushing rights of Americans.
The constitution ensures we do the right thing and not do something that can be damaging.
A good example is the ACA. Justice Roberts was well aware that the constitution does not allow for forcing anyone to purchase something from the day they are born to the day they die. So he called it a tax.
For right or wrong and regardless of how you feel...it was the constitution that guided that decision. And without the creativity of Justice Roberts, the act was unconstitutional.

Just thin about this....what if a law was passed that said you MUST buy only American made cars....and you MUST buy it at no age older than 18? It is the constitution that prevents such ridiculous laws being imposed on the American People.
You abject to health care as a right? I do not. Millions of others feel as I do.
healthcare is a product/service supplied by other people not a right,, unless of course you support slavery,,
Health care for all is slavery? I disagree.
Note you were unable to read what he said and address the point he made. Try again, government school failure
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
Conservatives are conservatives. They dont think they are anything. We live by an ideology that works well for us, not by a definition.
Is that your definition?
 

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republicans have gone too far right
How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?
Pulling us out of the Paris Climate agreement
Kids in cages
stuff like that.
So Obama is to far right?
Obama didn't rip kids from their families and lock them up for months only to lose them. The Obama policy was to temporarily hold kids who showed up at the border without family and then hand them over to HHS.
 
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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
and they believe anyone who isnt lock step loons like them must be leftwing marxists.
 

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You're gong to have to define what it is to be moderate these days. Not that you can't, I just genuinely don't know what that means anymore.
moderate is supporting the constitution as written,,,
What you really mean is to interpret the Constitution as believed by conservatives. Doesn't sound moderate to me.
Only insofar as what conservatives believe is what's actually written. And how can you say it "doesn't sound moderate to you", when you just got done telling us you have no idea what moderate means? Do you even listen to yourself?
I get it, conservatives think they are moderate. Enjoy your day.
Conservatives are conservatives. They dont think they are anything. We live by an ideology that works well for us, not by a definition.
Is that your definition?
what part of "not by definition" did you not get?
 

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republicans have gone too far right
How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?
Pulling us out of the Paris Climate agreement
Kids in cages
stuff like that.
So Obama is to far right?
Obama didn't rip kids from their families and lock them up for months only to lose them. The Obama policy was to temporarily hold kids who showed up at the border without family and then hand them over to HHS.
wrong!!!
 

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republicans have gone too far right
How so? Which specific policies do you consider "too far right"?
Note how anynameyouwish Mac1958 HappyJoy ignore your simple question...why you ask?
Because they can’t give you an honest rational answer.
They hate that conservatives remain committed to preserving and protecting American history, traditions, values and laws.
What they really mean is;
“why do Conservatives resist and denounce our push to CHANGE America into the anything goes, no boundaries, commie-lite shithole we seek, why don’t they want all of America to become Mexifornia / Loon York?”
Ripping apart kids from their families, locking them up for months only to eventually permanently separate them from their parent. I don't think that is a moderate view point.
“RIPPING”
“TEARING”
“PRYING”
“LOCKING”
Hahaha...You tolerant triggered weirdos are hard to take serious when you roll with the heavy dramatics.
To assess your credibility answer me this; what distinction do you make between the Super Negroe’s “CAGE THEM UP” policy and Trumps cage policy?
Also, have you ever thought about the causation principle as it relates to this issue? Have you ever ONCE stated your displeasure with the filthy wetbacks using their ‘children’ to commit crimes against America?
Thanks in advance....again, just making sure you’re credible, reasonable and all.
 

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