A Modest Proposal...

[ReinyDays]

Who passes the tax laws, the legislators or the rich?

Who is breaking the law, the hooker or the John?

Landlords write the laws in this country ... we collect rent on the 1st, pay bills on the 2nd, and spend the rest of the month at the State Capitol ... either as legislators or brow-beating legislators ... remember: residential rental property is a component of just about any diversified investment portfolio ... rental managers are hired, I'm talking about the owners ...

Prostitution is bad for landlords ... thus it is illegal ... both hooker and John break the law ... the John much more seriously, he wrote the fucking law, so he can follow it too ... never seen a judge more angry than at the landlord who didn't know there were laws ... it was ugly ...

 

[ReinyDays]

I think you are very bad at math, and common sense. For instance math and common sense dictates that someone who makes 173000 dollar annually isn't capable of paying 63 million.

As for the actual premise. Taxation is as old as the Romans. Older even. What it is now and has always been is a way for the individual members of a society to pay for services they can't provide for themselves. The more complex a society the more things those services entail.

I personally like most of these services, I'm guessing that you do too. Unless you live completely of the grid.

The only thing I'm concerned with is whether or not a particular service can be provided as economically as possible. Sometimes that means by private companies following the law of supply and demand, and sometimes that means the government, as is the case for something like health care.

The point is, I have to pay anyway. I rather pay as little as possible.

Capital gains are your friends ...

 

[Billiejeens]

I think you are very bad at math, and common sense. For instance math and common sense dictates that someone who makes 173000 dollar annually isn't capable of paying 63 million.

As for the actual premise. Taxation is as old as the Romans. Older even. What it is now and has always been is a way for the individual members of a society to pay for services they can't provide for themselves. The more complex a society the more things those services entail.

I personally like most of these services, I'm guessing that you do too. Unless you live completely of the grid.

The only thing I'm concerned with is whether or not a particular service can be provided as economically as possible. Sometimes that means by private companies following the law of supply and demand, and sometimes that means the government, as is the case for something like health care.

The point is, I have to pay anyway. I rather pay as little as possible.

The Government is the worst possible choice for healthcare.

 

[zaangalewa]

There is a lot of talk about the rich paying their "fair share".

But, instead of squeezing more money out of those who create the wealth, we start getting it back from those who spend it. ...

In 2022 the most rich 1% of all mankind made twice the money which the other 99% of all mankind made. If you had all this money and you had to create "wealth" - what would you do with it?

 

[zaangalewa]

There is a lot of talk about the rich paying their "fair share".

But, instead of squeezing more money out of those who create the wealth, we start getting it back from those who spend it.

If a Billionaire's spouse is pissing away their money, do you punish the Billionaire, or the spouse?

The Roman Senate was made of rich men, well-connected men, who could only control with the will of their constituents. In order to get get the good will of those people, they created public works and welfare programs with their own money. That money kept them in power and allowed them to keep the people happy while they got their slice of every deal.

Our modern-day legislators have improved on that situation. They don't use their own money to buy our obedience ... they use OUR OWN MONEY. We are actually paying them, to give us things we want and they take their cut of the "gifts" they bestow on us.

Here is a proposal. Instead of increasing taxes on the rich, or the middle class, or the poor, or "corporations" ... we institute a tax on the people actually pissing our money away ... members of Congress.

So, I propose we tax every member of Congress $10 for every million dollars they propose adding to the budget. Every time a legislators proposes we build a Billion dollar train or give a Billion dollars to soy farmers, that legislator gets taxed $10,000.

In 2022, the US Budget expenditure was just over $6.3 TRILLION, or $6,300 BILLION, or $6,300,000 MILLION.

$6.3 TRILLION of our money spent by them on things we demand (and a lot of thing we don't).

There are currently 535 legislators in both houses of Congress. If they collectively propose a $6.3 TRILLION budget, each of them (if they make equal demands on the taxpayer's wallet) gets taxed $117,757 ... or $63,000,000 annually from Congress. The more pork a Congress-person slips into the budget, the more tax he or she pays. Budget conscious and fiscally responsible legislators pay less tax.

You like to use the knowledge from about the year 500 BC for to solve the problems of the beginning third millenium? Which Cesar will we have to kill and which Augustus will rule after the US-American democratic republic will be dead because all US-citizens gave up their right to vote in your new SSA (=Stupid States of America)?

 

[zaangalewa]

The Government is the worst possible choice for healthcare.

The problem is that health care and capitalism not fit to each other. If you like to make more money with sick people you need more sick people or more sicker people. But health care should make everyone sane. Nevertheless exist always limits: Everyone would pay millions or billions to save the own life - but nearly no one would do so in case of the life of others - if he has to pay a part of this money on his own.

 

[forkup]

The Government is the worst possible choice for healthcare.

Do me a favour. Compare the percentage of GDP spend on healthcare for all Western nations. Most of them have some form of universal healthcare.

Guess what, not only does the US have the HIGHEST health care expenditure of ANY nation. It isn't even close.

Then you can compare it to different health care indicators. Life expectancy, child mortality, amount of people who die of certain diseases.

What you will find is that for ALL that money Americans spend on health care. The actual outcome is distinctly average.

 

[forkup]

In 2022 the most rich 1% of all mankind made twice the money which the other 99% of all mankind made. If you had all this money and you had to create "wealth" - what would you do with it?

It reminds me of a meme I saw. The gist of it is this.

A rich man, a poor man, and an immigrant, sit at a table. On it theirs 20 cookies. The rich man eats 19 and then tells the poor man. "Look the immigrant is trying to steal your cookie."

These people, a lot of them from less affluent regions, often dependant on some form of government aid watch Tucker Carl's ranting about migrants "invading" the US, stealing jobs.

And at the same time rant, why the government should not tax the rich because they create the jobs that has wages not keeping up with inflation for the last 30 odd years.

 

[The Duke]

Does the guy who mows my lawn and trims my hedges own my property?

He does 'round heanh!

 

[jc456]

Not the rich.

The Products are usually designed by a wage engineer (whose designs are considered the intellectual property of the company that owns them) and assembled by wage slaves (often in a third world country). The point is, we could JUST AS EASILY have those people be government employees and have the same result.

We'd probably have better results. More cures for cancer and less erection pills.

who paid the design engineer?

 

[zaangalewa]

Wealth is created by taking a low value service or commodity and selling it at a higher value.

Wealth is created in Switzerland. Reason: Not so big differences in the income. And I am normally also always very impressed when I read something about medicine from Switzerland. And in Switzerland it is normal to inform oneselve and to vote since hundreds of years - when Switzerland once had been one of the most poor countries in Europe.

 

[jc456]

It reminds me of a meme I saw. The gist of it is this.

A rich man, a poor man, and an immigrant, sit at a table. On it theirs 20 cookies. The rich man eats 19 and then tells the poor man. "Look the immigrant is trying to steal your cookie."

These people, a lot of them from less affluent regions, often dependant on some form of government aid watch Tucker Carl's ranting about migrants "invading" the US, stealing jobs.

And at the same time rant, why the government should not tax the rich because they create the jobs that has wages not keeping up with inflation for the last 30 odd years.

drop the 50% who don't earn a dime to 40% by creating jobs, will increases tax revenue by 10%. Guess who creates the jobs?

 

[jc456]

The Government is the worst possible choice for healthcare.

for anything

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Am I the only poster who was expecting this thread to be about eating Irish children?

 

[Billiejeens]

Am I the only poster who was expecting this thread to be about eating Irish children?

prolly

 

[Foxfyre]

There is a lot of talk about the rich paying their "fair share".

But, instead of squeezing more money out of those who create the wealth, we start getting it back from those who spend it.

If a Billionaire's spouse is pissing away their money, do you punish the Billionaire, or the spouse?

The Roman Senate was made of rich men, well-connected men, who could only control with the will of their constituents. In order to get get the good will of those people, they created public works and welfare programs with their own money. That money kept them in power and allowed them to keep the people happy while they got their slice of every deal.

Our modern-day legislators have improved on that situation. They don't use their own money to buy our obedience ... they use OUR OWN MONEY. We are actually paying them, to give us things we want and they take their cut of the "gifts" they bestow on us.

Here is a proposal. Instead of increasing taxes on the rich, or the middle class, or the poor, or "corporations" ... we institute a tax on the people actually pissing our money away ... members of Congress.

So, I propose we tax every member of Congress $10 for every million dollars they propose adding to the budget. Every time a legislators proposes we build a Billion dollar train or give a Billion dollars to soy farmers, that legislator gets taxed $10,000.

In 2022, the US Budget expenditure was just over $6.3 TRILLION, or $6,300 BILLION, or $6,300,000 MILLION.

$6.3 TRILLION of our money spent by them on things we demand (and a lot of thing we don't).

There are currently 535 legislators in both houses of Congress. If they collectively propose a $6.3 TRILLION budget, each of them (if they make equal demands on the taxpayer's wallet) gets taxed $117,757 ... or $63,000,000 annually from Congress. The more pork a Congress-person slips into the budget, the more tax he or she pays. Budget conscious and fiscally responsible legislators pay less tax.

Interesting concept but I have a personal moral problem taxing an elected leader that did not vote for these monstrosities of spending bills.

Congress has to deal with the debt ceiling tomorrow by either raising it or cutting all programs across the board which means those living on social security would have devastating losses to their incomes and the USA would default on some of its debt.

The GOP house and Senate will no doubt vote to raise the debt ceiling rather than allow the USA to default which would have devastating economic implications for us all. But the GOP will almost certainly demand concessions by rescinding some of the more onerous items in spending bills like those 87k IRS agents, transgender studies in Pakistan, a walking trail named for Michelle Obama, etc. etc. etc. that no taxpayers wants or needs and the federal government should not be spending.

It's anybody's guess whether they will get those concessions. The Democrat controlled Senate would have to agree and Biden would have to sign the legislation.

As of this morning, the U.S. debt totals almost $100k for every U.S. citizen and if assigned to just taxpayers, is approaching $300k or more than many of their entire net worth.

We cannot continue spending like the Democrats have spent. Any educated person knows taxing the rich more when they already pay the lion's share of taxes will only hurt the poorer in fewer jobs and benefits, lower salaries.

We need a Congress with integrity. I don't think we have one yet.

 

[MarcATL]

Another sap spewing the old flim-flam.

#LOLGOP #TooFunny #CLASSIC

 

[Billiejeens]

Not the rich.

The Products are usually designed by a wage engineer (whose designs are considered the intellectual property of the company that owns them) and assembled by wage slaves (often in a third world country). The point is, we could JUST AS EASILY have those people be government employees and have the same result.

We'd probably have better results. More cures for cancer and less erection pills.

People like you who constantly push the idea that workers are fantastic and business owners are awful opportunists and believe that Socialism is the answer -

Do Socialism.
Right in the USA.
Under existing law.

Get 99 other people together and instead of joining a union, open a business.
That way all 100 of you will own the business, you will equally share the profit and will have no evil owners to deal with, other than the 99 other equal, fantastic owners.
As a group make all the decisions, reap all the rewards.

You won't do that, because you will also share the failures, and a high percentage of business do fail.
People like you aren't willing to risk your own money.
You would rather sit back and just complain, rather than risking your own money.

 

[JoeB131]

Cures for cancer and erection pills come from the same place ... pharmaceutical companies whose investors pay the engineers, and lab scientists to create those drugs for which the investors deserve a profit.

You probably proved my point.

Now imagine that if instead of having a board trying to please stockholders, big pharma was run by government setting priorities.

We'd have gotten the cancer cures before the erection pills.

 

[JoeB131]

People like you who constantly push the idea that workers are fantastic and business owners are awful opportunists and believe that Socialism is the answer -

Without bothering to respond to your whole blather...

No one is saying, "Let's do socialism". People like you will probably make in inevitable when the 60% of the population that controls less than 5% of the wealth decide capitalism is a shit sandwich they are tired of eating.

You won't do that, because you will also share the failures, and a high percentage of business do fail.
People like you aren't willing to risk your own money.
You would rather sit back and just complain, rather than risking your own money.

Nope. I just want them to pay their fair share in taxes and follow the damned law on workers rights and the environment.

While doing a Soviet style purge of our worthless investor class might be amusing, it's a bit harsh.

But probably inevitable as the rich get richer and the poor keep getting poorer.