Dadoalex
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Please clarify.No, I don't. You're just making shit up.
What have I made up?
Be specific.
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Please clarify.No, I don't. You're just making shit up.
You said I was defending greed. I'm not. I'm just trying to discuss the factors driving health care inflation.Please clarify.
What have I made up?
Be specific? You can stow the pedantic posturing.Be specific.
You, in fact, are defending greed.You said I was defending greed. I'm not. I'm just trying to discuss the factors driving health care inflation.
Be specific? You can stow the pedantic posturing.
Quote it then.You, in fact, are defending greed.
You are a liar. You said I'm defending greed. You just did it again.You may not like being called on it but that is exactly what you have been doing.
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You said I was "making stuff up" e.g. calling me a liar.
"Yet the profit motive exists in every market and we don't see the kind of spiraling costs we see in health care."Quote it then.
You are a liar. You said I'm defending greed. You just did it again.
Yep. That's what I typed. But it's not defending greed. It's an observation of fact."Yet the profit motive exists in every market and we don't see the kind of spiraling costs we see in health care."
Wtf? I'm not blaming the consumer. Maybe you're not a liar. Maybe your poor reading comprehension is the problem.There ya go LIAR.
Lying about CLEARLY defending greed and blaming the consumer
You're right about that, at least. They don't have much choice. The government and the insurance lobby have colluded to take away viable alternatives and herd is into the "group insurance" pens.WHO HAS LITTLE CHOICE IF ANY in choosing they type of care, the provider, and ESPECIALLY THE COST.
Good grief. Now you have insight into my "nature"? Get lost. And stop lying about my posts, jackass.Defend greed? It's in your nature.
Defending greed and blaming the consumer.Yep. That's what I typed. But it's not defending greed. It's an observation of fact.
Wtf? I'm not blaming the consumer. Maybe you're not a liar. Maybe your poor reading comprehension is the problem.
You're right about that, at least. They don't have much choice. The government and the insurance lobby have colluded to take away viable alternatives and herd is into the "group insurance" pens.
Good grief. Now you have insight into my "nature"? Get lost. And stop lying about my posts, jackass.
Nope. Go fuck yourself.Defending greed and blaming the consumer
Except in reality cost growth fell substantially after the ACA passed, saving trillions. Health care right now comprises a slightly smaller share of the economy than it did when the ACA passed, which is unheard of.That's because the ACA was NOT a good idea to begin with. It attempted to fund the insurance industry instead of bypassing it, and no one was surprised when all it did was drive up costs.
Ahhh... The insurance lobby has arrived! Gotta protect that turf!Except in reality cost growth fell substantially after the ACA passed, saving trillions. Health care right now comprises a slightly smaller share of the economy than it did when the ACA passed, which is unheard of.
You first. You are after all the genitals in any conversation.Nope. Go fuck yourself.
Piss off, troll.You first. You are after all the genitals in any conversation.
Ever wonder why so many health care stats get supplied by the Kaiser Family rather than by a government agency charged with overseeing the entire industry? The KFF was instrumental in sticking us all with employer based / HMO insured health care "plans" from the very beginning. Only they understood the value of filling the niche between pure HC provider and pure insurance provider and stuck with it. Did both. As a result the left coast has enjoyed better care at a better price than most of the country. That doesn't mean any of it was ever a good idea or cheaper on the "consumer" end than just sticking with fee for service, for example. A private-public partnership no one ever voted for that's cost us all far too much both financially and in terms of freedom.Except in reality cost growth fell substantially after the ACA passed, saving trillions. Health care right now comprises a slightly smaller share of the economy than it did when the ACA passed, which is unheard of.
National Health Expenditures data is supplied by the government.Ever wonder why so many health care stats get supplied by the Kaiser Family rather than by a government agency charged with overseeing the entire industry?
Well, there's a trustworthy source.National Health Expenditures data is supplied by the government.
We have had lots of both and neither works perfectly or without waste. So I don't see any 50% savings just from making more provider facilities public ones. Cheaper, undoubtedly. But I believe people in this country value private, independent service providers more than elsewhere. They would be screaming communism in a heartbeat with little prompting from the billionaires. I've gone to one of these local drive-in HC places several times now and been treated as well or better than at my family doctor's office. They ain't half bad.Government owned hospitals, clinics, testing facilities, staffed by government employed doctors, nurses, technicians and support personnel.
Funded by tax dollars.
This doesn't mean that there can't be private hospitals, doctors, etc. and even insurance but, as shown by comparing the US system to systems around the world such a system would reduce health care costs by 50% or more while providing better outcomes for patients.
Exactly what I expected from you. Nothing.National Health Expenditures data is supplied by the government.
Good to see you learned that bright blue underlined text is a hyperlink.How much is health spending expected to grow? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
This chart collection explores how health spending is expected to grow in coming years, based on National Health Expenditure (NHE) projections from federal actuaries. A related chart collection explores how U.S. health spending has changed over time using historical data, and an interactive tool...www.healthsystemtracker.org
Wow. One can't even find a link to the original data anywhere. Oh, but just look at all the silly charts! Wow, wow, there's even a nifty KFF projection Tool!