A message from a Mexican to The USA

[Porter Rockwell]

... There is NO such thing as illegal immigration. ...

There obviously IS illegal immigration. Nationalization and immigration are NOT the same thing.

" This term describes a person who enters a country for permanent residence from another country. "

IMMIGRATION

The coming Into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanentresidence. The correlative term “emigration” denotes the act of such persons in leavingtheir former country.

thelawdictionary.org

A permanent resident is a citizen

Even some lawyers giving immigration advice get it wrong (though they disagree with the "illegal" terminology):

Black’s Law Dictionary: “Unlawful Immigrant” is correct, not “Illegal Immigrant”

The New York Times and a whole bunch of other respected media outlets still use the word “Illegal Immigrant” to describe human beings who are present in the United States without the au…

amjolaw.com

Of course, if you never worked in immigration law, you really don't KNOW the law. The word unlawful is wrong for two reasons:

1) The United States Supreme Court said so AND

2) Tea Party Republican, U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner introduced legislation to change the relevant statute from improper to unlawful. IF it were unlawful why would you need to change the law?

Text - H.R.4437 - 109th Congress (2005-2006): Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 See Section 203 THE BILL FAILED. So, factually, those guys are neither "illegal" OR unlawful.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Looks like there are a couple "Sovereign Citizen" persons on this thread.

The DoI was nothing more than a declaration to the King of England at the time, it even recognizes
That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Unalienable/Inalienable rights does not grant a citizen from another country to legally/illegally enter the US without first obtaining authorization from their government to leave their country and from the other country's government to enter. It has always been that way, since 1606 those leaving England left with the Kings permission, as did the Germans, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. from their monarchies.

Even the Articles of Confederation made light of the "sovereignty" of the 13 states. ( Declares the purpose of the confederation: "The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever." )

When the States allowed entry at their ports, the feds had requirements that those persons had to meet, and the ports were regulated by the federal law. If people were sick they were not allowed to exit the ship and were sent back. If the person was a pauper, vagabond, fugitive, etc, they were not allowed to depart the ship.

As to the 14th Amendment....It simply says that the state can't deny citizens or persons within their jurisdiction (inside their state lines) equal protection of the states laws.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

A permanent resident is a citizen

Wrong, a permanent resident is just that, a legal "resident", they are not a citizen. In order for an LPR to become a citizen, they must apply to do so and pass a basic history test.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All men are created equal and have certain UNalienable rights- among these are, the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- there are no caveats, no borders, no walls, no prejudice, etc.

Why not finish your DoI quote?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A permanent resident is a citizen

Wrong, a permanent resident is just that, a legal "resident", they are not a citizen. In order for an LPR to become a citizen, they must apply to do so and pass a basic history test.

Wrong

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Looks like there are a couple "Sovereign Citizen" persons on this thread.

The DoI was nothing more than a declaration to the King of England at the time, it even recognizes
That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Unalienable/Inalienable rights does not grant a citizen from another country to legally/illegally enter the US without first obtaining authorization from their government to leave their country and from the other country's government to enter. It has always been that way, since 1606 those leaving England left with the Kings permission, as did the Germans, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. from their monarchies.

Even the Articles of Confederation made light of the "sovereignty" of the 13 states. ( Declares the purpose of the confederation: "The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever." )

When the States allowed entry at their ports, the feds had requirements that those persons had to meet, and the ports were regulated by the federal law. If people were sick they were not allowed to exit the ship and were sent back. If the person was a pauper, vagabond, fugitive, etc, they were not allowed to depart the ship.

As to the 14th Amendment....It simply says that the state can't deny citizens or persons within their jurisdiction (inside their state lines) equal protection of the states laws.

Ask the author of the Declaration of Independence

 

[Porter Rockwell]

All men are created equal and have certain UNalienable rights- among these are, the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- there are no caveats, no borders, no walls, no prejudice, etc.

Either you believe it or you don't. If you believe it, you live it. If you don't believe it you can't live it.

Aaron Tippen had a song- you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything, you've go to be your own man, not a puppet on a string, never compromise what's right, uphold your family name, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything-

I find it awfully bizarre that you would cite the Declaration Of Independence yet not be able to wrap your head around the proclamation made...Do you understand what it means to Declare Independence from other nations? Do you know what sovereignty looks like?
Do you believe the U.S. Constitution is an international document framed to benefit the citizens of other nations?

AFTER the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and culminating in the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution only applied to white people. Citizenship was restricted to them. Yet foreigners continued to come here for individual enrichment. AFTER the founders / framers were dead, the United States Supreme Court illegally gave powers to Congress that the United States Supreme Court does not have. That was enhanced by the illegal passage of the 14th Amendment.

As a sovereign nation, we have the right to decide who to invite or not.

YOu are jumping back and forth between universal arguments against our right to do that, and quibbling over historical details of how that power was developed.


That is not the way to have an honest discussion.

States, under original interpretation retained that right. It's been asked and answered.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

3) If a person has Liberty, they have a Right to come to the United States. Just because someone shows up in your neighborhood does not mean that they are your family

5) I gave a legal definition from Black's Law Dictionary for the word Liberty. Black's is the most authoritative legal dictionary in the legal community

You are taking the word Liberty as used in the DoI out of its context. Liberty doesn't grant anybody a right to come to the US. Nothing in your provided Blacks Law Dictionary grants a person an ability to come to/enter the US without authorization.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Looks like there are a couple "Sovereign Citizen" persons on this thread.

The DoI was nothing more than a declaration to the King of England at the time, it even recognizes
That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
Unalienable/Inalienable rights does not grant a citizen from another country to legally/illegally enter the US without first obtaining authorization from their government to leave their country and from the other country's government to enter. It has always been that way, since 1606 those leaving England left with the Kings permission, as did the Germans, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc. from their monarchies.

Even the Articles of Confederation made light of the "sovereignty" of the 13 states. ( Declares the purpose of the confederation: "The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever." )

When the States allowed entry at their ports, the feds had requirements that those persons had to meet, and the ports were regulated by the federal law. If people were sick they were not allowed to exit the ship and were sent back. If the person was a pauper, vagabond, fugitive, etc, they were not allowed to depart the ship.

As to the 14th Amendment....It simply says that the state can't deny citizens or persons within their jurisdiction (inside their state lines) equal protection of the states laws.

Ask the author of the Declaration of Independence

Ask the author what?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

A permanent resident is a citizen

Wrong, a permanent resident is just that, a legal "resident", they are not a citizen. In order for an LPR to become a citizen, they must apply to do so and pass a basic history test.

Wrong

Really? Do you even know what an LPR is? Do you know the hierarchy of immigration status?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

All men are created equal and have certain UNalienable rights- among these are, the right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- there are no caveats, no borders, no walls, no prejudice, etc.

Either you believe it or you don't. If you believe it, you live it. If you don't believe it you can't live it.

Aaron Tippen had a song- you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything, you've go to be your own man, not a puppet on a string, never compromise what's right, uphold your family name, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything-

I find it awfully bizarre that you would cite the Declaration Of Independence yet not be able to wrap your head around the proclamation made...Do you understand what it means to Declare Independence from other nations? Do you know what sovereignty looks like?
Do you believe the U.S. Constitution is an international document framed to benefit the citizens of other nations?

AFTER the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and culminating in the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution only applied to white people. Citizenship was restricted to them. Yet foreigners continued to come here for individual enrichment. AFTER the founders / framers were dead, the United States Supreme Court illegally gave powers to Congress that the United States Supreme Court does not have. That was enhanced by the illegal passage of the 14th Amendment.

As a sovereign nation, we have the right to decide who to invite or not.

YOu are jumping back and forth between universal arguments against our right to do that, and quibbling over historical details of how that power was developed.


That is not the way to have an honest discussion.

States, under original interpretation retained that right. It's been asked and answered.

The Articles of Confederation disagrees with your interpretation.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

If you believe what you just posted, you are the dumbest individual on USM. I've worked on two cases that made it to the United States Supreme Court (insignificant cases in the grand scheme of things) and were won. I have thirty six courtroom wins and never lost nor over-turned on appeal. And your legal experience?

No you haven't Jimmy. You are a Sovereign Citizen, you are not a lawyer, you have no law license, nothing. LMFAO

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I was a Seabee.

No Jimmy, you were not a seabee. You never served in the military. LMFAO

 

[Liquid Reigns]

You do realize that having multiple screen names is against the rules.

He first started out as BuddyColt and then became Humorme (banned).

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A permanent resident is a citizen

Wrong, a permanent resident is just that, a legal "resident", they are not a citizen. In order for an LPR to become a citizen, they must apply to do so and pass a basic history test.

Don't you work for the ADL? What do you think the purpose of permanent residency is?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I smell an ADL operative. It's time to say bye to this thread.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Don't you work for the ADL? What do you think the purpose of permanent residency is?

Work for the ADL? LMFAO

Permenant residency allows a person to live here legally, they do not have to apply for citizenship and can stay as an LPR until they pass on. If they choose to apply for citizenship, they can, they don't have to. SHRUG

Come on Jimmy, I explained all this stuff to you already.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I smell an ADL operative. It's time to say bye to this thread.

Whats wrong Jimmy? I don't want you banned, I want you out here front and center.

 

[Unkotare]

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A permanent resident is a citizen
....

Permanent resident status (you know, the "green card") is NOT the same as citizenship. You are mistaken.

 

[Unkotare]

A permanent resident is a citizen

Wrong, a permanent resident is just that, a legal "resident", they are not a citizen. In order for an LPR to become a citizen, they must apply to do so and pass a basic history test.

Wrong

No, he's right.