A mangled Constitution

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I think the Constitution has been bent and twisted into a form the Founders and Framers would not recognize except as an example of their worst fears. They crystallized a document to restrict the central government for all time yet left an amendment process, with high hurdles, for necessary changes. And they depended on an educated and moral people of a common heritage to zealously guard it, a divided government where each branch kept a lid on the others ambitions and finally...a set of sovereign entities called states to bind the central government to its duties.
The assault on these protections has been devastating. First you had the 14th amendment imposed by force of bayonets and conquest rather than will of people. It may have been backed by good intentions but so is the road to hell. Rulings relying on the 14 th amendment are the fruit of a poisoned tree... Imposed on an unwilling citizenry over their objections. And the tyrants doing it can grin and say "it's your constitution"...a lie. Neither the people nor the states ever ratified or accepted it.
But the attacks go deeper than that springboard. Like something from Orwells imagination they then claim that rights which didn't exist yesterday, and which the authors never saw, were really there all along waiting for jurists smart enough to see them.
The authors didn't know about it.... They were supernaturally channeling Oprah and Cher from the future and hiding it away in code all along!
 

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I think the Constitution has been bent and twisted into a form the Founders and Framers would not recognize except as an example of their worst fears. They crystallized a document to restrict the central government for all time yet left an amendment process, with high hurdles, for necessary changes. And they depended on an educated and moral people of a common heritage to zealously guard it, a divided government where each branch kept a lid on the others ambitions and finally...a set of sovereign entities called states to bind the central government to its duties.
The assault on these protections has been devastating. First you had the 14th amendment imposed by force of bayonets and conquest rather than will of people. It may have been backed by good intentions but so is the road to hell. Rulings relying on the 14 th amendment are the fruit of a poisoned tree... Imposed on an unwilling citizenry over their objections. And the tyrants doing it can grin and say "it's your constitution"...a lie. Neither the people nor the states ever ratified or accepted it.
But the attacks go deeper than that springboard. Like something from Orwells imagination they then claim that rights which didn't exist yesterday, and which the authors never saw, were really there all along waiting for jurists smart enough to see them.
The authors didn't know about it.... They were supernaturally channeling Oprah and Cher from the future and hiding it away in code all along!
So are you saying that you want to go BACK to SLAVERY then?

13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments are the anti slavery amendments.

The 13th set the slaves free.

The 14th made them citizens.

And the 15th gave them the right to vote.
 

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I generally put spam bots on the ignore list right away.

In your case I could not resist discussing slavery however.

Where in the hell did you go to school? Mobile Alabama ??
 

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If you don't like our constitution, you are free to take your traitorous ass somewhere else dumbo.
 

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damn dog ....did forget the first adm? freedom of speech
Not sure what you mean by that. I haven't prevented anyone from saying anything. He seems so unhappy here, and I just want him to be comfortable.
 

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he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
 

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I think the Constitution has been bent and twisted into a form the Founders and Framers would not recognize except as an example of their worst fears. They crystallized a document to restrict the central government for all time yet left an amendment process, with high hurdles, for necessary changes. And they depended on an educated and moral people of a common heritage to zealously guard it, a divided government where each branch kept a lid on the others ambitions and finally...a set of sovereign entities called states to bind the central government to its duties.
The assault on these protections has been devastating. First you had the 14th amendment imposed by force of bayonets and conquest rather than will of people. It may have been backed by good intentions but so is the road to hell. Rulings relying on the 14 th amendment are the fruit of a poisoned tree... Imposed on an unwilling citizenry over their objections. And the tyrants doing it can grin and say "it's your constitution"...a lie. Neither the people nor the states ever ratified or accepted it.
But the attacks go deeper than that springboard. Like something from Orwells imagination they then claim that rights which didn't exist yesterday, and which the authors never saw, were really there all along waiting for jurists smart enough to see them.
The authors didn't know about it.... They were supernaturally channeling Oprah and Cher from the future and hiding it away in code all along!
So are you saying that you want to go BACK to SLAVERY then?

13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments are the anti slavery amendments.

The 13th set the slaves free.

The 14th made them citizens.

And the 15th gave them the right to vote.
The Constitution has been under attack by statists, since day one. It now is nothing more than a piece of paper the elites regularly ignore, but occasionally still abide by. The Bill of Rights is gradually being bastardized but always in ways that reduce American's rights. If this trend continues, it will soon be gone.
 

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he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
 

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he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
Blacks reinstated slavery on themselves when they started voting Democrat. Does that make them stupid or vile?
 
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To continue. After the new military government put down the various citizens rebellions the Constitution looked a little different. And a little less intimidating. And along comes the Progressive movement. Early statists. Once again, with violence aimed at the heart of the Federalist system the Constitution had created, they attacked. The 16th to tax the wages of working men and provide loot to be spent to build and support a class of people to outvote him. He is charged for the privilage of being oppressed. The 17th to make sure no state ever stood up against the central government again. From now on Washington would be the judge of its own powers with predictable results. The 18th doesnt merit mention.
The 19th another blow for the states. Ironically the 19th was passed to undo the Supreme Courts *unanimous* decision in Minor v. Happersett that the 14th Amendment did NOT embrace voting rights and could not be used to tamper with any system the states had set up to choose voters. How does that sit with you girly men bowed down, tongue to slipper, before the black robes?
Anyhow the amendments were legally presented to accepted by the people and the states. Ill advised perhaps but following the constitutional form.
Which brings us to the modern era. An era where an unrestricted and unrestrained Federal Government has cannot be questioned. It rules by fiat, it ignores any rebuke or correction. And it uses willing allies it has created itself against the rest of the citizenry. Your representatives can pass all the laws it likes to restrict immigration but are powerless to stop Barrack Hussein from ignoring them for example. Where is your Supreme Court now?
It is a result of an out of control government but its purpose is to continue to avoid being answerable. If you are afraid the people may throw you out of office then you simply replace the people with foreigners right? BTW one of the emails in the recent DNC wikileaks dump was a staffer crowing that several more states had reached a "tipping point" of enough immigrants to defeat Republicans and install Democrats.

Addendum: You may not have heard much of Minor v. Happersett. With good reason. Not only did it declare that long established practices of the people and government should be respected and no fault found where the Framers found no fault:

If uniform practice long continued can settle the construction of so important an instrument as the Constitution of the United States confessedly is, most certainly it has been done here...
Minor v. Happersett

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....and not only did it proclaim the Supreme Court's view of the stark difference between laws outside its own power to review (no matter how seemingly unjust or odious to the SJW) and laws and areas it was legally and Constitutionally empowered to review:

Our province is to decide what the law is, not to declare what it should be... If the law is wrong, it ought to be changed; but the power for that is not with us.
Minor v. Happersett



..but horror of horror it set a definition of citizenship which perhaps excluded Barry Soetoro (also known by his Muslim alias Barack Hussein also alias Barry Soebarkah ):

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. Minor v. Happersett
 

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he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
Blacks reinstated slavery on themselves when they started voting Democrat. Does that make them stupid or vile?

Here's your sign
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he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
he is new....give him a break....packy and i got way back.....like over 15 years...now.....
Give him a break? The man wants to reinstate slavery. He's either really stupid or really vile.
Blacks reinstated slavery on themselves when they started voting Democrat. Does that make them stupid or vile?

Here's your sign
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Oh, your kind is stupid AND vile. Got it.
 

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I think the Constitution has been bent and twisted into a form the Founders and Framers would not recognize except as an example of their worst fears. They crystallized a document to restrict the central government for all time yet left an amendment process, with high hurdles, for necessary changes. And they depended on an educated and moral people of a common heritage to zealously guard it, a divided government where each branch kept a lid on the others ambitions and finally...a set of sovereign entities called states to bind the central government to its duties.
The assault on these protections has been devastating. First you had the 14th amendment imposed by force of bayonets and conquest rather than will of people. It may have been backed by good intentions but so is the road to hell. Rulings relying on the 14 th amendment are the fruit of a poisoned tree... Imposed on an unwilling citizenry over their objections. And the tyrants doing it can grin and say "it's your constitution"...a lie. Neither the people nor the states ever ratified or accepted it.
But the attacks go deeper than that springboard. Like something from Orwells imagination they then claim that rights which didn't exist yesterday, and which the authors never saw, were really there all along waiting for jurists smart enough to see them.
The authors didn't know about it.... They were supernaturally channeling Oprah and Cher from the future and hiding it away in code all along!
And you’re entitled to think whatever you want, with the understanding that what you think is both ignorant and wrong.

It was the original understanding and intent of the Framers that the Constitution be subject to interpretation through the process of judicial review, that the Constitution exists solely in the context of its case law, and that the Founding Generation did not presume to have a comprehensive, finite knowledge of our rights and protected liberties.
 

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The founders did an amazing job...... For 1782
 

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The people would have no WILL to choose the government that they wished if it wasn't for judical review and its case law. Why? Because the government couldn't do shit the people want. It wouldn't work...Of course, people that wish to live in the 18th century probably would think this is great, but not the majority of the people in this country.
 

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The Constitution created a kitchen where future generations could serve We the People. That kitchen is made up of the three branches of government

The Constitution is not a cookbook telling you which meals you are allowed to make and which ingredients you can use
 
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However it was not their intent that it be stretched twisted and stomped out of recognition. That's why they wrote it down. But we have lost the power of self government. Maybe even the ability.
The wing nuts go first. Watch the cities burn in direct proportion to the length of their time as Democrst fiefdoms living under Supreme Court rules.
 

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