A majority of Americans want to deport *all* illegal aliens.

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
If one went by majority rule, then we could still have slavery.
The way law really works, is that this is supposed to be a constitutional republic with judicial safeguards for the rights of any single individual.

The facts are those south of the border have many valid rights to be here.
One is that their ancestors obviously migrated from the north, so had to live in what is now the US, at one time.
Two is that we guaranteed the rights of Mexicans in the Treaty of Guadelupe Hildalgo, since the states were purchased were mostly Spanish Land Grants.
Three is that the descendants of European invaders are the ones with no right to be here. We murdered in order to steal the land. That invalidates our claim.

By 1860, the people in favor of slavery were a minority even in the proto-Confederate states. A large number accepted it as an unfortunate fact and a nearly equal number were abolitionists. What none of them were was pro-black. You could not find more than a few thousand people in the entire USA that believed any black was equal to any white. By modern standards the most ardent abolitionist was an utter racist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Read the Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo.
It was what we agreed to when we purchased about a third of the US.
It says we have to honor old Spanish land grants, not force Mexican land owners or workers to become US citizens, and not interfere in their lives, commerce, movement, etc. in any way.

What you seem to be forgetting is that the Mexicans are the natives with inherent rights to be here, while we are the descendants of European invaders guilty of murder and theft.

It says we have to honor old Spanish land grants

Trist sent a copy to Washington, and President Polk forwarded the treaty to the Senate for their advice and consent. When the Senate reluctantly ratified the treaty (by a vote of 34 to 14) on March 10, 1848, it removed Article X guaranteeing the protection of Mexican land grants. Following the ratification, the United States withdrew its troops from the Mexican capital.

Or not.

What you seem to be forgetting is that the Mexicans are the natives with inherent rights to be here,

Perhaps you could copy and paste the portion that supports your claim?

while we are the descendants of European invaders guilty of murder and theft.

Speak for yourself, clown.

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo [Exchange copy]; 2/2/1848; Perfected Treaties, 1778 - 1945; General Records of the United States Government, Record Group 11; National Archives Building, Washington, DC. This is the exchange copy of the treaty, written in both Spanish...

www.archives.gov

 

[beagle9]

Wrong.
If ICE were to follow existing legislation, then asylum seekers would quickly be US citizens, and the problems would go away.
The problem is ICE denying asylum, citizenship, and simple due process.

Awwww quit throwing a tantrum because your agenda to flood this nation with potential groomed and dependent new Democrat voters failed.

 

[toobfreak]

We started the war illegally,

Every war is legal according to those who start it, illegal by the targets of the war.

It is obvious their ancestors migrated from the north because they crossed the Bering Straits by walking.

You know another way of their getting here 12,000 years ago other than walking? Unless maybe they rode the backs of Woolly Mammoths?

Wrong.
There were no immigration laws until around the 1920s, and these laws were never legal.

Laws which are illegal? The definition of legal is that which abides by the law, thus, no law signed into practice by the government can be "illegal." I'll just leave it at that and see if any of this soaks into your brain.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
If ICE were to follow existing legislation, then asylum seekers would quickly be US citizens, and the problems would go away.
The problem is ICE denying asylum, citizenship, and simple due process.

Nope. the only Legitimate cause for asylum is fear of governmental oppression, not economic distress or fear of criminal gangs. Few if any of the "asylum seekers" who claimed access meet that standard. And under international law, they can only immigrate to the nearest safe country. That means the only people who can claim asylum in the USA would be Canadians, Mexicans, Cubans and possibly those from SOME Caribbean Islands.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
We started the war illegally, but even though we won the illegal war, we agreed contractually to give Mexicans the right to be in all those former Mexican states.
We agreed none of them had to become US citizens or to leave.

We agreed none of them had to become US citizens or to leave.

ARTICLE VIII
Mexicans now established in territories previously belonging to Mexico, and which remain for the future within the limits of the United States, as defined by the present treaty, shall be free to continue where they now reside, or to remove at any time to the Mexican Republic, retaining the property which they possess in the said territories, or disposing thereof, and removing the proceeds wherever they please, without their being subjected, on this account, to any contribution, tax, or charge whatever.

Those who shall prefer to remain in the said territories may either retain the title and rights of Mexican citizens or acquire those of citizens of the United States. But they shall be under the obligation to make their election within one year from the date of the exchange of ratifications of this treaty; and those who shall remain in the said territories after the expiration of that year, without having declared their intention to retain the character of Mexicans, shall be considered to have elected to become citizens of the United States.

Liar!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
The Spanish and Portuguese did not stay, so have little DNA contribution.
And not only are the indigenous NOT "cannibals", they actually tended to be vegetarian, and discovered that all 12 necessary proteins are available through a mix of corn, rice, beans, and squash.

Its the Europeans who cannot trace their ancestry.

So all those Spanish and Portuguese land grants that you are always spouting about were given to natives? Sheesh, you can't even keep your lies straight between posts in the same thread.

 

[beagle9]

How is honoring the inherent rights of all individuals equally cause any "chaos and anarchy"?

Its the opposite.
Once you elevate some over others, you have a dictatorship.

Mixing the issue's won't help your attempt at debating wrongfully on these issue's... Your Democrat party has created chaos and anarchy by abusing the very thing's that were supposed to stop such abuses.

 

[Soupnazi630]

There is no other possibility of how humans arrived than walking across the Bering Straits over 20k years ago. Ships did not exist until later. And we have their remains as proof.
That is license for current claims since they were here until only 300 years ago when European invaders massacred them.
Do you want to legally license massacre as a valid means of claiming land?

Wrong DUMBASS people could quite simply boat across the Bering Straits

Yes you change the criteris for claiming land with EVERY thread so of course it is valid

It is valid because your ignorant dishonest ass has no standard of what is valid

 

[MarathonMike]

I would only modify that slightly, Mike:

We need to deport more like 30,000/day in order to be free of all illegals Biden let in + the 20 million already here when Trump took office by the time Trump's term is out. So, I'd recommend we step it up to deport anyone here illegally we can find in violation of immigration law with one team of ICE agents while another focuses strictly on heinous criminal offenders.​

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I understand that ICE is looking to hire lots of people, so if anyone is looking for a good paying job with challenging and interesting work, I would inquire soon.

My concern is a massive deportation effort would overwhelm our human and facilities resources just like our resources were overwhelmed during the height of Biden's Open Border madness.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The treaty has restrictions we agreed to follow.
Like honoring Spanish land grants, right of free movement by Mexicans who lived there but did not want to become US citizens, etc.
We cannot now change the rules of that contract we agreed to.

Ther is no such right of free movement in a treaty

 

[AZrailwhale]

The majority of Americans didn't vote for this. It's time that lie stopped being told. 77 million voted for Trump. 86 million didn't vote for either candidate That means that when yu add that 86 million to the 75 million that voted fr Harris, 161 million voters do not want what's going on.

No, it means 161,000,000 were so apathetic that they didn't care enough to go to the effort of going to the polls to vote one way or another. Just like in the American Revolution, only about a third of the people were in favor of independence, a third were against it and a third didn't care and just wanted to be left alone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no other possibility of how humans arrived than walking across the Bering Straits over 20k years ago. Ships did not exist until later. And we have their remains as proof.
That is license for current claims since they were here until only 300 years ago when European invaders massacred them.
Do you want to legally license massacre as a valid means of claiming land?

Do you want to legally license massacre as a valid means of claiming land?

What other way is there?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The majority of Americans didn't vote for this. It's time that lie stopped being told. 77 million voted for Trump. 86 million didn't vote for either candidate That means that when yu add that 86 million to the 75 million that voted fr Harris, 161 million voters do not want what's going on.

Oh FFS, quit it with your black math.

It just ain't workin', Slick.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Ther is no such right of free movement in a treaty

The only free movement was for Mexicans to self-deport with all their portable property without hindrance.

 

[Rawley]

Again, rubber stamping thousands per day on the way IN is far easier than rounding up and deporting thousands per day who are scattered all across the country. IMO that creates more problems than it solves.

What's the "more problems?"

 

[Rawley]

He makes stuff up on this subject as he goes along posting his drivel.

Every once in a while I take a critter off Iggie. Then I rather quickly remember why I put them there in the first place.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Every once in a while I take a critter off Iggie. Then I rather quickly remember why I put them there in the first place.

But he has a Master's Degree in Physics, dontcha know.

 

[Doc7505]

Trust our democracy, right progs? The nation voted for this. The majority want all illegal aliens to be deported.
Embrace it.


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Indeed, the majority of Americans want this, but will it happen? Especially when Democrats impede our efforts.
If we deport 1 million illegals each year during this administration 17 million illegals will still remains.
Like Benjamin Franklin, I think that making it extremely uncomfortable for illegals aliens in America would be effective in their self deportation...

 

[MarathonMike]

What's the "more problems?"

See post #90.