A majority of Americans want to deport *all* illegal aliens.

[Rigby5]

The law is the law...

Legislation is NOT the "law".
Law in a republic is based on the defense of inherent individual rights, and does not recognize or care where anyone is born.

 

[beagle9]

I believe in particularly hardship cases, Congress can authorize special dispensation for individuals who need to be exempt from the existing law. I could be wrong about that but in the back of my head, I seem to recall Congress has that power.

The best possible solution would be immigration reform that requires the illegals to self deport. Those who do can apply for work or visitor visas to return fairly soon--they won't be allowed to overstay those visas--or they can apply for legal immigration status.

Those who are deported however should have no right to return at all.

All good until the Democrats somehow gain back power, then it all goes to hell in a handbag again.

 

[Rambunctious]

Legislation is NOT the "law".
Law in a republic is based on the defense of inherent individual rights, and does not recognize or care where anyone is born.

Its illegal to sneak into our country fool...

 

[Kondor3]

Wrong.

No... it's YOU who are "wrong".

If one went by majority rule, then we could still have slavery.

The Will of the Majority controls in all circumstances except those that impinge upon the rights of fellow Americans.

The 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens now on United States soil without our express prior permission to NOT have such rights.

The way law really works, is that this is supposed to be a constitutional republic with judicial safeguards for the rights of any single individual.

Which is exactly how things DO work in the United States with respect to U.S. citizens.

The facts are those south of the border have many valid rights to be here.

1. you are stating personal opinion, not "fact"

2. your personal opinion is bull$hit

One is that their ancestors obviously migrated from the north, so had to live in what is now the US, at one time.

Fine. You conjure-up border-control paperwork from 15,000 B.C. and establish direct lineage and you'll win that argument.

Two is that we guaranteed the rights of Mexicans in the Treaty of Guadelupe Hildalgo, since the states were purchased were mostly Spanish Land Grants.

And the rights of those Mexicans who chose to remain in the United States after the signing of the treaty were, indeed, protected.

Your problem here is that those former Mexican citizens are long-since dead, and their descendants are long-since assimilated.

Three is that the descendants of European invaders are the ones with no right to be here.

Vae victis.

We murdered in order to steal the land.

Vae victis.

That invalidates our claim.

Fine.

Please sell your land and your house and your possessions, donate every penny of the proceeds to indigenous tribal councils, post the documentation here, and leave the country, and THEN you can hold the high ground and call the claim "Invalid".

And... in the final analysis...

Vae victis.

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You should make a note for yourself for your next karmic lifetime... get yourself born on the Winning Side.

 

[Darkwind]

Wrong.
We started the war illegally, but even though we won the illegal war, we agreed contractually to give Mexicans the right to be in all those former Mexican states.
We agreed none of them had to become US citizens or to leave.

Wrong.

We won the war.

The treaty and sale of land makes it ours.

 

[beagle9]

Legislation is NOT the "law".
Law in a republic is based on the defense of inherent individual rights, and does not recognize or care where anyone is born.

And the evidence of your theory of interpretation says that you are wrong, and this is based upon the chaos and anarchy that has followed your theory.

 

[Rigby5]

Your ignorance of the law is rather frightening.

It is you who do not know what "law" is.
Law is not legislation.
There is bad legislation all the time that gets struck down by appeal.
How do you think appeals courts know when to strike down legislation?
It is because in a republic, law is based on basic principles.
And essentially the basic principle is the defense of inherent individual rights.

But then you should immediately see that legislation like Prohibition, the War on Drugs, consenting adult sex laws, etc., are all inherently illegal because they defend no one.
Lots of legislation is actually illegal.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is obvious their ancestors migrated from the north because they crossed the Bering Straits by walking.

There are no inhabitants of Mexico, Central America, etc., who are more than 15% Spanish, according to all DNA research.

I did not say natives have an absolute right to any property but have more rights than the descendants of European murderers and land thieves do.

There are at least three separate theories of how humans arrived in the Americas with the Bering Strait being the most popular. (That land bridge is believed to have collapsed roughly 10,000 or more years ago but wasn't usable at all times.) But regardless of when they arrived, it would have been up to 20,000 years or more ago.

That is hardly license for any claim to the land anywhere now.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong.

We won the war.

The treaty and sale of land makes it ours.

The treaty has restrictions we agreed to follow.
Like honoring Spanish land grants, right of free movement by Mexicans who lived there but did not want to become US citizens, etc.
We cannot now change the rules of that contract we agreed to.

 

[Kondor3]

Wrong.
There were no immigration laws until around the 1920s, and these laws were never legal.

Says who?

It was just based on racism and in violation of the basis for any republic.

Hor$e$hit.

But deporting has always also been foolish, since immigration has always been beneficial to the economy. How else can we compete with China.

It is long-past time for America to break its increasing dependency upon cheap immigrant labor (near-slave wages).

We did just fine without this last batch of 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens and we'll do just fine after they're gone.

There will be a painful period-of-adjustment... breaking ANY addiction is painful... time to take-the-pain and get past it.

The longer we wait the more painful it will be... and, now, fortunately, we're actually working to begin that breakaway.

 

[Rigby5]

And the evidence of your theory of interpretation says that you are wrong, and this is based upon the chaos and anarchy that has followed your theory.

How is honoring the inherent rights of all individuals equally cause any "chaos and anarchy"?

Its the opposite.
Once you elevate some over others, you have a dictatorship.

 

[imawhosure]

Says who?


Hor$e$hit.

It is long-past time for America to break its increasing dependency upon cheap immigrant labor (near-slave wages).

We did just fine without this last batch of 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens and we'll do just fine after they're gone.

There will be a painful period-of-adjustment... breaking ANY addiction is painful... time to take-the-pain and get past it.

The longer we wait the more painful it will be... and, now, fortunately, we're actually working to begin that breakaway.

And now you know why DERRigby has the TWILIGHT ZONE as his moniker.

 

[Rigby5]

There are at least three separate theories of how humans arrived in the Americas with the Bering Strait being the most popular. (That land bridge is believed to have collapsed roughly 10,000 or more years ago but wasn't usable at all times.) But regardless of when they arrived, it would have been up to 20,000 years or more ago.

That is hardly license for any claim to the land anywhere now.

There is no other possibility of how humans arrived than walking across the Bering Straits over 20k years ago. Ships did not exist until later. And we have their remains as proof.
That is license for current claims since they were here until only 300 years ago when European invaders massacred them.
Do you want to legally license massacre as a valid means of claiming land?

 

[IM2]

The majority of Americans didn't vote for this. It's time that lie stopped being told. 77 million voted for Trump. 86 million didn't vote for either candidate That means that when yu add that 86 million to the 75 million that voted fr Harris, 161 million voters do not want what's going on.

 

[IM2]

How is honoring the inherent rights of all individuals equally cause any "chaos and anarchy"?

Its the opposite.
Once you elevate some over others, you have a dictatorship.

Then America has always been a dictatorship.

 

[Rigby5]

Says who?


Hor$e$hit.

It is long-past time for America to break its increasing dependency upon cheap immigrant labor (near-slave wages).

We did just fine without this last batch of 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens and we'll do just fine after they're gone.

There will be a painful period-of-adjustment... breaking ANY addiction is painful... time to take-the-pain and get past it.

The longer we wait the more painful it will be... and, now, fortunately, we're actually working to begin that breakaway.

The basis for a republic is defense of inherent rights of all individuals.
Violate that by abusing immigrants, and you violate the republic.

We obviously need immigrants more than ever, with a $37 trillion deficit, SS going bankrupt, etc.

 

[Foxfyre]

All good until the Democrats somehow gain back power, then it all goes to hell in a handbag again.

Which is why Patriots should do everything in their power to do to ensure the GOP remains in the majority in Congress in the midterms and again in 2028. We need to elect JD or somebody like him to carry on Trump's vision and instincts of what needs to happen.

If we can retain power for maybe 12 to 20 years, we may be able to eradicate the deep state and restore normalcy in America that is lasting. The Deep State has been infiltrating American institutions since the 1970's. It cannot be ferreted out and rejected overnight.

If the Democrat Party even still exists by that time, we can hope it will have reformed itself and again represent good Americans who love America and want what is best for their country and fellow Americans again.

 

[Rigby5]

Then America has always been a dictatorship.

True, but we should at least try to do better.

 

[Meister]

The process of coming here legally has been essentially blocked.
Like Kilmar who was here 20 years, married to a US citizen, with US citizen children, applying for asylum every single year, no criminal record, and they still illegally deported him.

The process of coming here legally has been essentially blocked.

Thank Joe Biden for that, he's the one who opened the border to crate the cluster ****.
If not for him, there would be no process being blocked.

As for "Kilmar"? Two judges had already given him his due process. He's no angel except
in the eyes of the democratic socialist party.

We have a process for legal immigration, and it isn't invading our country via porous borders.
period

 

[Foxfyre]

There is no other possibility of how humans arrived than walking across the Bering Straits over 20k years ago. Ships did not exist until later. And we have their remains as proof.
That is license for current claims since they were here until only 300 years ago when European invaders massacred them.
Do you want to legally license massacre as a valid means of claiming land?

Two of the theories involve Atlantic ice and sea travel.

What people did 300 years ago is no basis to accuse people living here and now.

I do wish people understood enough history to understand that.