A lot of you folks

[TheParser]

Well, to be fair, there has NEVER been justice for the little guy/gal in this country or any other.

That's why I can understand why some people refuse to pledge allegiance to the flag. "With liberty and justice for all"? I think not.

 

[citygator]

I’m on liberal website forums all the time and I can say that even though almost ALL of the murders by extremists are right wing nuts the left isn’t posting scared coward posts about people coming to get them. Right wing conservatives are the most victimized cowards I’ve ever come across. Grow a set.

 

[freyasman]

Well, to be fair, there has NEVER been justice for the little guy/gal in this country or any other.

That's why I can understand why some people refuse to pledge allegiance to the flag. "With liberty and justice for all"? I think not.

Life ain't fair, that's for sure, but the "little guy" has historically had a better shot at getting justice here than in almost any other place on the planet.
And I think that's an ideal we should continue to aspire to.

 

[freyasman]

I’m on liberal website forums all the time and I can say that even though almost ALL of the murders by extremists are right wing nuts the left isn’t posting scared coward posts about people coming to get them. Right wing conservatives are the most victimized cowards I’ve ever come across. Grow a set.

IOW, you are hoping that if you call me scared, I'll pretend these very real hazards don't exist and quit telling people to watch out for them.


Why is that?
You want to see people put in jail or bankrupted for doing nothing wrong, or something?

 

[SavannahMann]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I have written the same thing time and time again. So in compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department. I will reiterate once again.

First. Find out what the laws are in your State. Not what you think they should be. Not what you think is fair. Not what you imagine common sense would demand. Find out what they actually are. Because all your heroes listed broke the laws of their State.

Second. If God Forbid you do shoot someone. Do not talk to the cops. You may be the biggest LEO supporter in your town. You may have thin blue line crap all over your car. It does not matter. The cops are not your friend. Do not say a word until you have talked with a lawyer. Most people talk their way into trouble.

I could add some things. Like planning your responses so you are in compliance with the law. I could point out that the Baddies are probably about half as impressed with your gun as you are. The mere sight of it isn’t going to send them scurrying home in a panic.

I agree that it is very important to know the law but not nearly as important as it is to understand the agenda...... the law may be ignored or misapplied. Happens all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned are being persecuted or prosecuted for breaking a law, it's being done to them because they stood up for themselves in defiance of those with an agenda. They can't allow that; examples must be made of them.

Give rioters an inch, and they'll take a yard - and the law may let them

A shocking video emerged over the weekend, showing a vehicle trying to get through a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Los Angeles, only ...

bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com

From the link;
"As I've pointed out several times before (follow those 5 links for more information), many major US cities now have far-left-wing and progressive District Attorneys and prosecuting authorities who deliberately side with demonstrators and rioters (and other criminals) against law-abiding citizens. City Journal goes so far as to call it a "culture of lawlessness in D.A. offices".

Compared with his predecessor’s average conviction rates, [Philadelphia District Attorney] Krasner either dropped or lost 26 percent more of all felony cases. More robbery cases (up 14 percent) and auto theft cases (up 37 percent) were dropped or lost. In drug sales (not possession) cases, Krasner dismisses or loses 55 percent of cases, compared with the 34 percent rate of his predecessor.

. . .

Krasner is not alone in presiding over rising crime while dropping or losing felony cases at a record rate. In a survey of six jurisdictions where progressive district attorneys serve, every city or county logged a lower overall felony-conviction rate, as well as a lower conviction rate for violent or serious crimes, than did their predecessors. On average, the profiled prosecutors dropped 20 percent more felony cases. Crime has risen dramatically.

In Baltimore, America’s big-city murder capital, homicides have increased 65 percent under progressive prosecutor Marilyn Mosby. Our report shows that Mosby drops or loses many more felony cases than her immediate predecessor, who enjoyed a lower crime and murder rate. A felony defendant is 23 percent less likely to be convicted under Mosby. Felons in possession of a firearm are 46 percent less likely to be convicted. Even when they are convicted, they serve less prison time than before.

Independent analyses of other cities bear out our findings. Progressive prosecutor Kimberly Gardner in St. Louis, who infamously charged a couple who brandished firearms at protesters threatening to invade their home, loses at trial or drops cases at an astounding rate. Trial conviction rates fell to approximately 53 percent under Gardner, from 72 percent before her arrival. Gardner is pressing charges in only 23 percent of cases filed by police. The rest remain “pending.”

Similarly, a Chicago Tribune investigation confirmed our earlier findings that Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx dismissed 35 percent more felony cases than her predecessor and dropped nearly 40 percent of all felony cases 2019. These offenses include serious and violent crimes like homicides, sex crimes, assaults by gun, and attacks on police officers. Sadly, in the Windy City, Jussie Smollett isn’t the only one getting away with crime. Homicides and shootings are up 50 percent over last year as criminals go free.

The media tout many of these progressive prosecutors as righteous crusaders for justice—but in fact, they don’t deliver justice to the public or to crime victims. Elected prosecutors like Krasner have a duty to secure public safety. As the results in cities across the U.S. show, failing to prosecute dangerous and violent offenders only begets more crime and erodes trust in the justice system.

Again, more at the link.

What Andrew McCarthy calls "the Progressive Prosecutor Project" has been one of the far left's most successful efforts to undermine US society.

The key to understanding the Machiavellian brilliance of the Progressive Prosecutor Project is this: As a matter of constitutional law, no legislature or court has the power to order a prosecutor to charge any crime against any person. In our system, prosecution is exclusively an executive call. Practically speaking, short of voting a rogue district attorney out of office, there is no remedy for abusive discretionary omissions—decisions not to prosecute. To be sure, if a prosecutor performs some affirmative illegal act while enforcing the law, there are legal remedies available—motions to suppress evidence, lawsuits against government, potentially even prosecution. But omissions are a different story. It is nigh impossible to force prosecutors to take enforcement action. Thus, a willful district attorney has enormous power to install non-prosecution as the default policy.

Realizing this, the left’s social-justice warriors have grasped that the control of prosecutorial power may be the most effective route to rapid societal transformation. It is transformation driven not by law, logic, or a half-century’s empirical data on offense behavior and policing methods, but by cultural Marxist narratives: the criminal-justice system and its law-enforcement agencies as a superstructure reifying America’s pervasive racism, xenophobia, and forcible oppression of The Other.

Equally important, prosecutorial power is attainable at the ballot box. For the most part, district attorneys, who oversee state prosecution at the municipal level throughout the United States, are elected officials.

. . .

In de facto one-party governance (Democratic), which controls most urban centers, the DA candidate runs virtually unopposed, the real contest limited to any intraparty vying for the nomination.

Consequently, DA positions have been ripe for the taking. Over the last few years, a network of progressive activists backed by big money has seized the day.

More at the link.

Go read Mr. McCarthy's article in full for a very useful summary of the situation. He says flatly, "the nation's crime busters are becoming criminal enablers". That leaves the rest of us - law-abiding citizens - in the lurch, particularly because progressive prosecutors will target us if we defend ourselves against their favored clients. What's more, they'll go on doing so no matter who's in the White House, or which party controls Congress or the Senate. They are, in so many words, laws unto themselves. They enable criminals and rioters.

Fortunately, there are still many jurisdictions where such prosecutors have not taken office. However, progressives are planning to expand their network across the nation. We need to be on our guard to ensure that they don't succeed. If you live in a place where they have succeeded, you need to take that into account if and when you're confronted with rioters and criminals. Successful self-defense is likely to lead to criminal charges, no matter how unjustified they may be, so that the prosecuting authorities can send a politically correct message to their supporters - and to their opponents."

Let's take Gardner as an example. First, Gardner had let his Concealed Carry Permit expire. Carrying a weapon without a permit is a crime in his state. Most states require a permit. Again, what the law actually says, instead of what you think it should say, or believe it does says, or whatever. Then he lifted his shirt to show his gun to the others. That is an effort to intimidate and threaten. It is called Brandishing. Whatever the law is in your state, or whatever it is called, that is what the charge is generally known by. And guess what? It's against the law. Next he pulled his pistol. Again to intimidate and frighten the people. Hello? Didn't we just cover that?

Next he fired two rounds as warnings. Now, the reason we stopped requiring cops to fire warning shots was because we found out that bullets that go up, must come down somewhere. Innocents were injured in that case, and the threat of doing so was greater than the desire to war the baddie you were going to shoot him. In many cities, including the one Gardner was in, this is considered Reckless Endangerment. Again what the laws say, not what you wish they said, or thought they said.

When this was discussed in another thread I said that the State had a good chance of proving all those crimes and getting convictions. I did not think the Manslaughter charge would fly, but it wasn't definite. Because both parties were involved in criminal activity, Gardner's listed above, and criminal charges in such cases for both parties are normal.

Gardner had a history of getting into fights and altercations. He had multiple misdemeanor convictions. Now here is the thing. I have read enough of the so called self appointed defenders of Law and Order to know. If Gardner had been Black. We would be hearing nothing but his criminal history and how he was a thug who the lax criminal justice system had let slip through the cracks until he finally murdered someone.

But nobody wants to talk about Gardner's history of altercations and confrontations. When he had a valid Concealed Carry Permit, he broke the law by not informing the cop he was armed. In his State, that is and was the law. Agree or disagree with it, that's the law. Gardner lied on his application for a Liquor License. He did not list his convictions in Nebraska.

Now, think about this. Your poster child for the argument that the Justice System is screwing the heroes is a long time offender with multiple convictions. Granted they were all Misdemeanors, unless they considered the false information on the liquor license application as Felony Perjury. I don't know. But we have seen Blacks demonized for less. Philandro Castile had nothing but traffic infractions and he was a crook who got what he deserved.

Kyle Rittenhouse? Again a criminal before he shot anyone. It was and is illegal for a minor, someone under 18 to possess a rifle. It is illegal to transport it across state lines.

But both of these events show the same lesson. The idea that the Rioters, Leftists, Socialists, or whatever label you slap on them are going to run away because you have a bang stick is absolutely false. It has been false through history, and it remains false today. In the 1950's the Soviets rolled into Hungary with Tanks, and had to fight for days to subdue the uprising. With Tanks. The people fought against Tanks. In Slovakia, the same thing, the people resisted against TANKS. China, where compliance and obedience to authority is the first lesson the kids are taught the moment they are born. They stood up to tanks which are way more intimidating than a rifle or pistol.

Existing laws prohibit behaviors. Now, we can discuss which laws are excessive, and abused. Sure. They have been for a long time. Only now the target are folks that you consider to be good people standing up to those you consider to be bad. And the problem is, the law doesn't care. The law is written in such a way as to allow it to be abused often.

Look at the story of those Amish Brothers who had sex with their own sister, while she was twelve years old, and face no time in prison. Are they afraid of an Amish Riot? No. Not hardly. But they found excuses to wave it away.

The Justice System is in need of complete and total overhaul. We need to reform it from the bottom to the top. But we aren't going to do that. We aren't going to do that because part of that reform must be the police. And nobody is going to campaign that they're going to hold the cops responsible. Not since Dukakis.

We need to reconsider our prisons. We need to rethink our courts. We need to rewrite the laws. We need to fix the cops. We need to do a thousand things just to get started. And we're not going to do anything.

 

[freyasman]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I have written the same thing time and time again. So in compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department. I will reiterate once again.

First. Find out what the laws are in your State. Not what you think they should be. Not what you think is fair. Not what you imagine common sense would demand. Find out what they actually are. Because all your heroes listed broke the laws of their State.

Second. If God Forbid you do shoot someone. Do not talk to the cops. You may be the biggest LEO supporter in your town. You may have thin blue line crap all over your car. It does not matter. The cops are not your friend. Do not say a word until you have talked with a lawyer. Most people talk their way into trouble.

I could add some things. Like planning your responses so you are in compliance with the law. I could point out that the Baddies are probably about half as impressed with your gun as you are. The mere sight of it isn’t going to send them scurrying home in a panic.

I agree that it is very important to know the law but not nearly as important as it is to understand the agenda...... the law may be ignored or misapplied. Happens all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned are being persecuted or prosecuted for breaking a law, it's being done to them because they stood up for themselves in defiance of those with an agenda. They can't allow that; examples must be made of them.

Give rioters an inch, and they'll take a yard - and the law may let them

A shocking video emerged over the weekend, showing a vehicle trying to get through a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Los Angeles, only ...

bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com

From the link;
"As I've pointed out several times before (follow those 5 links for more information), many major US cities now have far-left-wing and progressive District Attorneys and prosecuting authorities who deliberately side with demonstrators and rioters (and other criminals) against law-abiding citizens. City Journal goes so far as to call it a "culture of lawlessness in D.A. offices".

Compared with his predecessor’s average conviction rates, [Philadelphia District Attorney] Krasner either dropped or lost 26 percent more of all felony cases. More robbery cases (up 14 percent) and auto theft cases (up 37 percent) were dropped or lost. In drug sales (not possession) cases, Krasner dismisses or loses 55 percent of cases, compared with the 34 percent rate of his predecessor.

. . .

Krasner is not alone in presiding over rising crime while dropping or losing felony cases at a record rate. In a survey of six jurisdictions where progressive district attorneys serve, every city or county logged a lower overall felony-conviction rate, as well as a lower conviction rate for violent or serious crimes, than did their predecessors. On average, the profiled prosecutors dropped 20 percent more felony cases. Crime has risen dramatically.

In Baltimore, America’s big-city murder capital, homicides have increased 65 percent under progressive prosecutor Marilyn Mosby. Our report shows that Mosby drops or loses many more felony cases than her immediate predecessor, who enjoyed a lower crime and murder rate. A felony defendant is 23 percent less likely to be convicted under Mosby. Felons in possession of a firearm are 46 percent less likely to be convicted. Even when they are convicted, they serve less prison time than before.

Independent analyses of other cities bear out our findings. Progressive prosecutor Kimberly Gardner in St. Louis, who infamously charged a couple who brandished firearms at protesters threatening to invade their home, loses at trial or drops cases at an astounding rate. Trial conviction rates fell to approximately 53 percent under Gardner, from 72 percent before her arrival. Gardner is pressing charges in only 23 percent of cases filed by police. The rest remain “pending.”

Similarly, a Chicago Tribune investigation confirmed our earlier findings that Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx dismissed 35 percent more felony cases than her predecessor and dropped nearly 40 percent of all felony cases 2019. These offenses include serious and violent crimes like homicides, sex crimes, assaults by gun, and attacks on police officers. Sadly, in the Windy City, Jussie Smollett isn’t the only one getting away with crime. Homicides and shootings are up 50 percent over last year as criminals go free.

The media tout many of these progressive prosecutors as righteous crusaders for justice—but in fact, they don’t deliver justice to the public or to crime victims. Elected prosecutors like Krasner have a duty to secure public safety. As the results in cities across the U.S. show, failing to prosecute dangerous and violent offenders only begets more crime and erodes trust in the justice system.

Again, more at the link.

What Andrew McCarthy calls "the Progressive Prosecutor Project" has been one of the far left's most successful efforts to undermine US society.

The key to understanding the Machiavellian brilliance of the Progressive Prosecutor Project is this: As a matter of constitutional law, no legislature or court has the power to order a prosecutor to charge any crime against any person. In our system, prosecution is exclusively an executive call. Practically speaking, short of voting a rogue district attorney out of office, there is no remedy for abusive discretionary omissions—decisions not to prosecute. To be sure, if a prosecutor performs some affirmative illegal act while enforcing the law, there are legal remedies available—motions to suppress evidence, lawsuits against government, potentially even prosecution. But omissions are a different story. It is nigh impossible to force prosecutors to take enforcement action. Thus, a willful district attorney has enormous power to install non-prosecution as the default policy.

Realizing this, the left’s social-justice warriors have grasped that the control of prosecutorial power may be the most effective route to rapid societal transformation. It is transformation driven not by law, logic, or a half-century’s empirical data on offense behavior and policing methods, but by cultural Marxist narratives: the criminal-justice system and its law-enforcement agencies as a superstructure reifying America’s pervasive racism, xenophobia, and forcible oppression of The Other.

Equally important, prosecutorial power is attainable at the ballot box. For the most part, district attorneys, who oversee state prosecution at the municipal level throughout the United States, are elected officials.

. . .

In de facto one-party governance (Democratic), which controls most urban centers, the DA candidate runs virtually unopposed, the real contest limited to any intraparty vying for the nomination.

Consequently, DA positions have been ripe for the taking. Over the last few years, a network of progressive activists backed by big money has seized the day.

More at the link.

Go read Mr. McCarthy's article in full for a very useful summary of the situation. He says flatly, "the nation's crime busters are becoming criminal enablers". That leaves the rest of us - law-abiding citizens - in the lurch, particularly because progressive prosecutors will target us if we defend ourselves against their favored clients. What's more, they'll go on doing so no matter who's in the White House, or which party controls Congress or the Senate. They are, in so many words, laws unto themselves. They enable criminals and rioters.

Fortunately, there are still many jurisdictions where such prosecutors have not taken office. However, progressives are planning to expand their network across the nation. We need to be on our guard to ensure that they don't succeed. If you live in a place where they have succeeded, you need to take that into account if and when you're confronted with rioters and criminals. Successful self-defense is likely to lead to criminal charges, no matter how unjustified they may be, so that the prosecuting authorities can send a politically correct message to their supporters - and to their opponents."

Let's take Gardner as an example. First, Gardner had let his Concealed Carry Permit expire. Carrying a weapon without a permit is a crime in his state. Most states require a permit. Again, what the law actually says, instead of what you think it should say, or believe it does says, or whatever. Then he lifted his shirt to show his gun to the others. That is an effort to intimidate and threaten. It is called Brandishing. Whatever the law is in your state, or whatever it is called, that is what the charge is generally known by. And guess what? It's against the law. Next he pulled his pistol. Again to intimidate and frighten the people. Hello? Didn't we just cover that?

Next he fired two rounds as warnings. Now, the reason we stopped requiring cops to fire warning shots was because we found out that bullets that go up, must come down somewhere. Innocents were injured in that case, and the threat of doing so was greater than the desire to war the baddie you were going to shoot him. In many cities, including the one Gardner was in, this is considered Reckless Endangerment. Again what the laws say, not what you wish they said, or thought they said.

When this was discussed in another thread I said that the State had a good chance of proving all those crimes and getting convictions. I did not think the Manslaughter charge would fly, but it wasn't definite. Because both parties were involved in criminal activity, Gardner's listed above, and criminal charges in such cases for both parties are normal.

Gardner had a history of getting into fights and altercations. He had multiple misdemeanor convictions. Now here is the thing. I have read enough of the so called self appointed defenders of Law and Order to know. If Gardner had been Black. We would be hearing nothing but his criminal history and how he was a thug who the lax criminal justice system had let slip through the cracks until he finally murdered someone.

But nobody wants to talk about Gardner's history of altercations and confrontations. When he had a valid Concealed Carry Permit, he broke the law by not informing the cop he was armed. In his State, that is and was the law. Agree or disagree with it, that's the law. Gardner lied on his application for a Liquor License. He did not list his convictions in Nebraska.

Now, think about this. Your poster child for the argument that the Justice System is screwing the heroes is a long time offender with multiple convictions. Granted they were all Misdemeanors, unless they considered the false information on the liquor license application as Felony Perjury. I don't know. But we have seen Blacks demonized for less. Philandro Castile had nothing but traffic infractions and he was a crook who got what he deserved.

Kyle Rittenhouse? Again a criminal before he shot anyone. It was and is illegal for a minor, someone under 18 to possess a rifle. It is illegal to transport it across state lines.

But both of these events show the same lesson. The idea that the Rioters, Leftists, Socialists, or whatever label you slap on them are going to run away because you have a bang stick is absolutely false. It has been false through history, and it remains false today. In the 1950's the Soviets rolled into Hungary with Tanks, and had to fight for days to subdue the uprising. With Tanks. The people fought against Tanks. In Slovakia, the same thing, the people resisted against TANKS. China, where compliance and obedience to authority is the first lesson the kids are taught the moment they are born. They stood up to tanks which are way more intimidating than a rifle or pistol.

Existing laws prohibit behaviors. Now, we can discuss which laws are excessive, and abused. Sure. They have been for a long time. Only now the target are folks that you consider to be good people standing up to those you consider to be bad. And the problem is, the law doesn't care. The law is written in such a way as to allow it to be abused often.

Look at the story of those Amish Brothers who had sex with their own sister, while she was twelve years old, and face no time in prison. Are they afraid of an Amish Riot? No. Not hardly. But they found excuses to wave it away.

The Justice System is in need of complete and total overhaul. We need to reform it from the bottom to the top. But we aren't going to do that. We aren't going to do that because part of that reform must be the police. And nobody is going to campaign that they're going to hold the cops responsible. Not since Dukakis.

We need to reconsider our prisons. We need to rethink our courts. We need to rewrite the laws. We need to fix the cops. We need to do a thousand things just to get started. And we're not going to do anything.

It appears we're going to let the whole thing slide down into chaos.

I watched the videos; neither Gardner nor Rittenhouse did anything wrong in the incidents they were and are being prosecuted for. Say what you will about past histories, Gardner was the one being attacked that night..... and so was Rittenhouse. You can't get around that.



All of those issues you mentioned could be best addressed by paying close attention to who we elect at city, county, and state levels, and what those people and agencies are up to. We need to start valuing things like honor and integrity among our government officials. Cops are loyal first and foremost to their paychecks, so we need to start with who directs the cops, like DAs. Local politicians become senators and congressmen and governors and presidents...... we need to exercise some care in who we allow into any position. We have been ignoring them and their shenanigans so long they have built huge machines that do nothing but enrich them and fuck us, and everyone knows it, and everyone is pissed off about it........ and that's how you get a Trump. A guy with no political history who doesn't give a damn and will get in the faces of the corrupt shitbags we have all been suffering under.


We either clean house or we learn to be homeless...... that simple. Or we burn the house down with everyone in it.

 

[freyasman]

 

[SavannahMann]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I have written the same thing time and time again. So in compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department. I will reiterate once again.

First. Find out what the laws are in your State. Not what you think they should be. Not what you think is fair. Not what you imagine common sense would demand. Find out what they actually are. Because all your heroes listed broke the laws of their State.

Second. If God Forbid you do shoot someone. Do not talk to the cops. You may be the biggest LEO supporter in your town. You may have thin blue line crap all over your car. It does not matter. The cops are not your friend. Do not say a word until you have talked with a lawyer. Most people talk their way into trouble.

I could add some things. Like planning your responses so you are in compliance with the law. I could point out that the Baddies are probably about half as impressed with your gun as you are. The mere sight of it isn’t going to send them scurrying home in a panic.

I agree that it is very important to know the law but not nearly as important as it is to understand the agenda...... the law may be ignored or misapplied. Happens all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned are being persecuted or prosecuted for breaking a law, it's being done to them because they stood up for themselves in defiance of those with an agenda. They can't allow that; examples must be made of them.

Give rioters an inch, and they'll take a yard - and the law may let them

A shocking video emerged over the weekend, showing a vehicle trying to get through a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Los Angeles, only ...

bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com

From the link;
"As I've pointed out several times before (follow those 5 links for more information), many major US cities now have far-left-wing and progressive District Attorneys and prosecuting authorities who deliberately side with demonstrators and rioters (and other criminals) against law-abiding citizens. City Journal goes so far as to call it a "culture of lawlessness in D.A. offices".

Compared with his predecessor’s average conviction rates, [Philadelphia District Attorney] Krasner either dropped or lost 26 percent more of all felony cases. More robbery cases (up 14 percent) and auto theft cases (up 37 percent) were dropped or lost. In drug sales (not possession) cases, Krasner dismisses or loses 55 percent of cases, compared with the 34 percent rate of his predecessor.

. . .

Krasner is not alone in presiding over rising crime while dropping or losing felony cases at a record rate. In a survey of six jurisdictions where progressive district attorneys serve, every city or county logged a lower overall felony-conviction rate, as well as a lower conviction rate for violent or serious crimes, than did their predecessors. On average, the profiled prosecutors dropped 20 percent more felony cases. Crime has risen dramatically.

In Baltimore, America’s big-city murder capital, homicides have increased 65 percent under progressive prosecutor Marilyn Mosby. Our report shows that Mosby drops or loses many more felony cases than her immediate predecessor, who enjoyed a lower crime and murder rate. A felony defendant is 23 percent less likely to be convicted under Mosby. Felons in possession of a firearm are 46 percent less likely to be convicted. Even when they are convicted, they serve less prison time than before.

Independent analyses of other cities bear out our findings. Progressive prosecutor Kimberly Gardner in St. Louis, who infamously charged a couple who brandished firearms at protesters threatening to invade their home, loses at trial or drops cases at an astounding rate. Trial conviction rates fell to approximately 53 percent under Gardner, from 72 percent before her arrival. Gardner is pressing charges in only 23 percent of cases filed by police. The rest remain “pending.”

Similarly, a Chicago Tribune investigation confirmed our earlier findings that Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx dismissed 35 percent more felony cases than her predecessor and dropped nearly 40 percent of all felony cases 2019. These offenses include serious and violent crimes like homicides, sex crimes, assaults by gun, and attacks on police officers. Sadly, in the Windy City, Jussie Smollett isn’t the only one getting away with crime. Homicides and shootings are up 50 percent over last year as criminals go free.

The media tout many of these progressive prosecutors as righteous crusaders for justice—but in fact, they don’t deliver justice to the public or to crime victims. Elected prosecutors like Krasner have a duty to secure public safety. As the results in cities across the U.S. show, failing to prosecute dangerous and violent offenders only begets more crime and erodes trust in the justice system.

Again, more at the link.

What Andrew McCarthy calls "the Progressive Prosecutor Project" has been one of the far left's most successful efforts to undermine US society.

The key to understanding the Machiavellian brilliance of the Progressive Prosecutor Project is this: As a matter of constitutional law, no legislature or court has the power to order a prosecutor to charge any crime against any person. In our system, prosecution is exclusively an executive call. Practically speaking, short of voting a rogue district attorney out of office, there is no remedy for abusive discretionary omissions—decisions not to prosecute. To be sure, if a prosecutor performs some affirmative illegal act while enforcing the law, there are legal remedies available—motions to suppress evidence, lawsuits against government, potentially even prosecution. But omissions are a different story. It is nigh impossible to force prosecutors to take enforcement action. Thus, a willful district attorney has enormous power to install non-prosecution as the default policy.

Realizing this, the left’s social-justice warriors have grasped that the control of prosecutorial power may be the most effective route to rapid societal transformation. It is transformation driven not by law, logic, or a half-century’s empirical data on offense behavior and policing methods, but by cultural Marxist narratives: the criminal-justice system and its law-enforcement agencies as a superstructure reifying America’s pervasive racism, xenophobia, and forcible oppression of The Other.

Equally important, prosecutorial power is attainable at the ballot box. For the most part, district attorneys, who oversee state prosecution at the municipal level throughout the United States, are elected officials.

. . .

In de facto one-party governance (Democratic), which controls most urban centers, the DA candidate runs virtually unopposed, the real contest limited to any intraparty vying for the nomination.

Consequently, DA positions have been ripe for the taking. Over the last few years, a network of progressive activists backed by big money has seized the day.

More at the link.

Go read Mr. McCarthy's article in full for a very useful summary of the situation. He says flatly, "the nation's crime busters are becoming criminal enablers". That leaves the rest of us - law-abiding citizens - in the lurch, particularly because progressive prosecutors will target us if we defend ourselves against their favored clients. What's more, they'll go on doing so no matter who's in the White House, or which party controls Congress or the Senate. They are, in so many words, laws unto themselves. They enable criminals and rioters.

Fortunately, there are still many jurisdictions where such prosecutors have not taken office. However, progressives are planning to expand their network across the nation. We need to be on our guard to ensure that they don't succeed. If you live in a place where they have succeeded, you need to take that into account if and when you're confronted with rioters and criminals. Successful self-defense is likely to lead to criminal charges, no matter how unjustified they may be, so that the prosecuting authorities can send a politically correct message to their supporters - and to their opponents."

Let's take Gardner as an example. First, Gardner had let his Concealed Carry Permit expire. Carrying a weapon without a permit is a crime in his state. Most states require a permit. Again, what the law actually says, instead of what you think it should say, or believe it does says, or whatever. Then he lifted his shirt to show his gun to the others. That is an effort to intimidate and threaten. It is called Brandishing. Whatever the law is in your state, or whatever it is called, that is what the charge is generally known by. And guess what? It's against the law. Next he pulled his pistol. Again to intimidate and frighten the people. Hello? Didn't we just cover that?

Next he fired two rounds as warnings. Now, the reason we stopped requiring cops to fire warning shots was because we found out that bullets that go up, must come down somewhere. Innocents were injured in that case, and the threat of doing so was greater than the desire to war the baddie you were going to shoot him. In many cities, including the one Gardner was in, this is considered Reckless Endangerment. Again what the laws say, not what you wish they said, or thought they said.

When this was discussed in another thread I said that the State had a good chance of proving all those crimes and getting convictions. I did not think the Manslaughter charge would fly, but it wasn't definite. Because both parties were involved in criminal activity, Gardner's listed above, and criminal charges in such cases for both parties are normal.

Gardner had a history of getting into fights and altercations. He had multiple misdemeanor convictions. Now here is the thing. I have read enough of the so called self appointed defenders of Law and Order to know. If Gardner had been Black. We would be hearing nothing but his criminal history and how he was a thug who the lax criminal justice system had let slip through the cracks until he finally murdered someone.

But nobody wants to talk about Gardner's history of altercations and confrontations. When he had a valid Concealed Carry Permit, he broke the law by not informing the cop he was armed. In his State, that is and was the law. Agree or disagree with it, that's the law. Gardner lied on his application for a Liquor License. He did not list his convictions in Nebraska.

Now, think about this. Your poster child for the argument that the Justice System is screwing the heroes is a long time offender with multiple convictions. Granted they were all Misdemeanors, unless they considered the false information on the liquor license application as Felony Perjury. I don't know. But we have seen Blacks demonized for less. Philandro Castile had nothing but traffic infractions and he was a crook who got what he deserved.

Kyle Rittenhouse? Again a criminal before he shot anyone. It was and is illegal for a minor, someone under 18 to possess a rifle. It is illegal to transport it across state lines.

But both of these events show the same lesson. The idea that the Rioters, Leftists, Socialists, or whatever label you slap on them are going to run away because you have a bang stick is absolutely false. It has been false through history, and it remains false today. In the 1950's the Soviets rolled into Hungary with Tanks, and had to fight for days to subdue the uprising. With Tanks. The people fought against Tanks. In Slovakia, the same thing, the people resisted against TANKS. China, where compliance and obedience to authority is the first lesson the kids are taught the moment they are born. They stood up to tanks which are way more intimidating than a rifle or pistol.

Existing laws prohibit behaviors. Now, we can discuss which laws are excessive, and abused. Sure. They have been for a long time. Only now the target are folks that you consider to be good people standing up to those you consider to be bad. And the problem is, the law doesn't care. The law is written in such a way as to allow it to be abused often.

Look at the story of those Amish Brothers who had sex with their own sister, while she was twelve years old, and face no time in prison. Are they afraid of an Amish Riot? No. Not hardly. But they found excuses to wave it away.

The Justice System is in need of complete and total overhaul. We need to reform it from the bottom to the top. But we aren't going to do that. We aren't going to do that because part of that reform must be the police. And nobody is going to campaign that they're going to hold the cops responsible. Not since Dukakis.

We need to reconsider our prisons. We need to rethink our courts. We need to rewrite the laws. We need to fix the cops. We need to do a thousand things just to get started. And we're not going to do anything.

It appears we're going to let the whole thing slide down into chaos.

I watched the videos; neither Gardner nor Rittenhouse did anything wrong in the incidents they were and are being prosecuted for. Say what you will about past histories, Gardner was the one being attacked that night..... and so was Rittenhouse. You can't get around that.



All of those issues you mentioned could be best addressed by paying close attention to who we elect at city, county, and state levels, and what those people and agencies are up to. We need to start valuing things like honor and integrity among our government officials. Cops are loyal first and foremost to their paychecks, so we need to start with who directs the cops, like DAs. Local politicians become senators and congressmen and governors and presidents...... we need to exercise some care in who we allow into any position. We have been ignoring them and their shenanigans so long they have built huge machines that do nothing but enrich them and fuck us, and everyone knows it, and everyone is pissed off about it........ and that's how you get a Trump. A guy with no political history who doesn't give a damn and will get in the faces of the corrupt shitbags we have all been suffering under.


We either clean house or we learn to be homeless...... that simple. Or we burn the house down with everyone in it.

Turn it around. The tail is wagging the dog.

 

[SavannahMann]

I decided to expand upon the tail wagging the dog post. What do I mean?

Politicians did not come up with Qualified Immunity. The desperation to be viewed as a supporter of the police and not soft on crime moved that football through the Congress.

No Politician dreamed up the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights. That was the Unions pushing to get legal protections for their members, the cops, which coincidentally are the police for protections.

Police Officers demanded an end to the Reform Bill in California. One that would strip away many of their special protections. Protections unavailable to me and thee.

Politicians did not dream up that police officers being the victim of a murder should be a special circumstance to warrant the death penalty.

In every case it is fear of the police. Cut the budget anywhere you like. But do not dare to cut the budget for cops. You will be labeled a cop hater or soft on crime. You will have ads put out there screaming you want anarchy. You want rapists in the schools and drug dealers on every corner.

Only with police are you prohibited from saying they are corrupt. Orange County Sheriffs Department had 1,100 deputies identified as mishandling evidence and lying on reports. A good Republican Stronghold. And even then with the results of a limited review by the Internal Affairs division which showed huge misconduct. Even then you can’t say that cops are corrupt.

Even then we are told this is a limited and isolated incident. Why a vast majority of the cops are shocked and ashamed that this could happen.

A woman was surrounded by eighty cops because she had bumper stickers on her car. Cops do not target you for freedom of speech. That is ridiculous.

We see the examples. We let them control the narrative. Look on here. Anyone who doesn’t love the cops must be a felon or dope smoker. Or they want anarchy or the conditions to commit more crimes.

The tail is wagging the dog. It isn’t the politicians controlling the cops. It is the cops manipulating the political and social discussions constantly.

 

[freyasman]

I decided to expand upon the tail wagging the dog post. What do I mean?

Politicians did not come up with Qualified Immunity. The desperation to be viewed as a supporter of the police and not soft on crime moved that football through the Congress.

No Politician dreamed up the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights. That was the Unions pushing to get legal protections for their members, the cops, which coincidentally are the police for protections.

Police Officers demanded an end to the Reform Bill in California. One that would strip away many of their special protections. Protections unavailable to me and thee.

Politicians did not dream up that police officers being the victim of a murder should be a special circumstance to warrant the death penalty.

In every case it is fear of the police. Cut the budget anywhere you like. But do not dare to cut the budget for cops. You will be labeled a cop hater or soft on crime. You will have ads put out there screaming you want anarchy. You want rapists in the schools and drug dealers on every corner.

Only with police are you prohibited from saying they are corrupt. Orange County Sheriffs Department had 1,100 deputies identified as mishandling evidence and lying on reports. A good Republican Stronghold. And even then with the results of a limited review by the Internal Affairs division which showed huge misconduct. Even then you can’t say that cops are corrupt.

Even then we are told this is a limited and isolated incident. Why a vast majority of the cops are shocked and ashamed that this could happen.

A woman was surrounded by eighty cops because she had bumper stickers on her car. Cops do not target you for freedom of speech. That is ridiculous.

We see the examples. We let them control the narrative. Look on here. Anyone who doesn’t love the cops must be a felon or dope smoker. Or they want anarchy or the conditions to commit more crimes.

The tail is wagging the dog. It isn’t the politicians controlling the cops. It is the cops manipulating the political and social discussions constantly.

You make some good points.
I personally don't need cops...... I don't mind them being around as long as they don't bother me, but I don't actually need them for anything.
I was on the phone with an assistant DA here in Houston a few weeks ago and he was getting input from me on what he was going to charge a guy with, and hard did I want him to push it, seeing as how I was technically the victim, (PCP freak bit me during a scuffle, I sat on him till the cops came and took him off my hands). I told him to go for the max, but I also took the opportunity to point out that all of that would be unnecessary if they would simply stop prosecuting us regular folks when we put these zombies down.
I didn't need cops to come and help me deal with the PCP freak; I needed the cops to not come after me for choking him out and dumping him under the freeway, or even killing him and dumping his body in the bayou.
If I report a crime to the police, I am doing so either for insurance purposes or to keep them from coming after me. Crime itself is actually an easy problem to solve.