A lot of you folks

[depotoo]

Another one that committed suicide. He was originally cleared, as it was self defense, then the da received pressure to indict him.

EXCLUSIVE: Friend of Jake Gardner reveals his last messages before his suicide, calls out left-wing mob who doxxed and defamed him

In the wake of Jake Gardner’s tragic death, his close friend—who organized two since-deleted GoFundMe pages for his legal defense—speaks out on the relentless doxxing by the leftist mob that led to the Trump supporter’s suicide.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[depotoo]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

And things like GoFundMe won't allow them to use their services; they're in it too. I doubt FB would let someone fundraise for someone in this situation either.
Start thinking and planning now.

Yep, just exactly what happened to the one I just posted . Gofund me pulled down the pages created for his defense fund.

 

[freyasman]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

And things like GoFundMe won't allow them to use their services; they're in it too. I doubt FB would let someone fundraise for someone in this situation either.
Start thinking and planning now.

Yep, just exactly what happened to the one I just posted . Gofund me pulled down the pages created for his defense fund.

But let that shitbag's Scurlock's family raise a quarter mil..... (smh)

White privilege my ass.

 

[freyasman]

People are trying to come up with stratgies to beat a rigged game, but without breaking the rules themselves..... it doesn't work.
Stop thinking like that.

What the Pro’s know – Mr. Brassy McKnuckles – Conflict Manager

conflictmanagermagazine.com

From the link;
"What the Pro’s know – Mr. Brassy McKnuckles
When you need a job done, do you go with the cheapest and least experienced contractor? I mean hey money is always an issue and if you can save a buck why not. Because when you hire a professional you are paying for knowledge and experience and he or she is going to cost you a lot more than the guy you hire out by the local giant home supply store. Sure it’s cheaper but you are paying for what you get and all the headaches that go along with it. Think I am kidding, go talk to people that use a public defender to represent them in a court of law and you will begin to see what a professional you are paying can do for you. One of my favorite things to tell a potential client is that you think it’s expensive to hire a pro then go ahead and hire an amateur and see just how costly it gets.
So now that I have that shit out of the way I am going to tell you why there is a huge fucking difference between Professional Violence and Self-defense or Amateur night fighting. When I was a kid I read one of my dad’s westerns and one scene has stuck with me throughout my entire life. A punk kid is drinking in a bar when an old timer walks in for a drink. He is one of the old mountain men and the kind of man that other hard men walk clear of. The kid is trying to make a name for himself and despite the warnings of some of the hard cases drinking with him he begins to prod and push the old man. Calling him names and making fun of the way he is dressed. The old man ignores him and the kid gets madder and madder, till he calls the old man something that he can’t take back. He braces himself and tells the old man to draw at which the mountain man shoots him in the chest with a big .50 Hawkins he’s been holding in his hand while drinking. This one scene has stuck with me for my entire life. When it’s time for violence then it’s time to do it right
I watch these videos on the computer and laugh my ass off not only at the time some of these guys take to finish a fight but the amount that people comment on the fight and say things that show just how ignorant they are of real world violence, one of my favorites is the keyboard warrior that goes off on a rant about how if the cops were so fucking tough then why did it take 4 or 5 of them. Listen up dickhead the cops are pros and use the amount of force necessary to get the job done, and that is the difference between amateurs and professional level violence. Cops, the Military, bouncers, hired thugs whatever the need there is a professional to fit it.
I was trying to explain to another contributor to the magazine just what pro level violence was and I used this purely fictional explanation.
My crew and I were hired to collect a large amount of money for a local sports enthusiast that had wagered on the outcome of certain events. One of the other parties in the wager had decided not to pay what he owed for his lack of foresight into the outcome of the event. I gathered up the gang and we made our way over to a local drinking establishment to explain why his course of actions were purely unacceptable for our employer.
Three of my cohorts and myself went to where the gentleman was enjoying a nice frothy beverage and sat down with him, me in the front and my friends to either side of him. I asked him if he knew why we were there. He said yes, and I explained to him the course of action we were going to be forced to take if the money he owed was not paid. He agreed that he had made a very poor choice and that if I would be so kind as to take a message to my employer that he would be paid in full the very next day. I told him that it would just thrill me plum to death to do so but I needed to be paid for my services with gas prices being so high that I needed a little something to make it worth my time to do so. I admired his watch and he had almost $200.00 cash on him. So I took both as payment for delivering his message and asked him to please be prompt in his payment of my employer. Then I asked him if he ever got that big old tree stump out of his front yard. He said no he had not and then after a few seconds asked me how I knew where he lived. I just smiled at him and the four of us walked away I told him I expected payment in full after the bank opened in the morning or that stump would be the least of his worries.
This is an example of what I like to call Verbal Violence, simple explanation backed by sufficient threat of what will occur if the demands of the situation are not met. The key to this type of violence is to make sure you are able to back up the threat in a way that insures the problem will not happen again.
Now let’s take this to the next level or what is called disciplinary violence. Rory Miller terms it an educational beat down and for most folks that is as good a term as any. So the guy doesn’t come across with his end of our arrangement, and me being a man of my word, I go to take care of business. I gather up the crew and we begin hunting the gentleman, because we don’t get paid till the employer gets paid. We go stake out his work, home and hangouts and as soon as one of us spots him we converge. Now don’t get me wrong, I would have much rather he had paid his bill and never to have seen him again. It doesn’t take long and he shows up at one of the bars that he frequents. We go over and one of the guys goes in to scout out the situation. He is alone and the scout waits till he goes to the restroom to signal us. We go in and make a B line for the restroom. One of the crew stops at the restroom door to prevent interference and the other five go in. We surround him and with no fanfare two of the guys begin beating him.
The correct application of violence is to use enough force to achieve the goal without going over the limit. After just a few seconds “Mr. Idonthavetopay” begins crying and explaining that he had the money and would take it to my employer right away. I tell him that he should give me the money and I would take it to my employer. He complained that I would just steal the money and that’s when I hit him in the mouth. I then explained to him that we are professionals and that kind of thing was a sure way to end us getting another job. We took the money to our employer and got our pay. This type of thing is good for business. No he wouldn’t call the police because even if all of us were arrested he knew that at some point in time on of our brothers would be waiting for him and he didn’t want to pay the bill for that on. This is one of the truths about the majority of people that live on the outskirts of society. They are subject to a different style of taxation for doing business and subject to punishments that don’t involve prison.
Now we are going to look at the third type of Professional Violence, the hard job. Say a crew moves in and begins selling illegal products in an area that has in the past been controlled by someone that we do business with on a regular bases. He or she might call us and ask for assistance in remedying this situation and after negotiation over price we would go to work. Intelligence gathering, recon, watching members of the new business venture. Form a plan and then implement it. Begin taking out members of the other crew if feasible and if not target the leadership. Cost them money, rob their members, interfer with their money train. Don’t give them a break. Use the police as a secondary strike team by giving them as much information as needed to break up the new business. Do whatever it takes to accomplish the job. If it comes down to it take out the leadership through active intervention.
This could go many different ways but I will only focus on one of them right now. We as a full crew would find and where the leader like to hang out, and most of the time this type of person wants to be seen and known as a player in the game. That’s one of the big differences between small time hoodrats and the really big dangerous players. Big players stay in the shadows and control things for behind many layers of protection. Getting to those types of individuals is far beyond a small crews reach and better left alone. Know your limitations and operate within your parameters. Overreaching can and will get you killed.
After watching and being patient Mr. X’s habits become known. Where he like to go, his preference in women, cars, drugs, everything is valuable as a possible edge. There are two ways to handle this situation. One is Hard Work the other is an Easy Job. I am going to concentrate on the Hard Work to show you how Professional Violence works. Mr. X leaves the bar that he like to show off in. He may have an escort or he may not. For this scenario we will say that he is overconfident and not afraid of possible threats against him. We as a crew will be waiting outside. As soon as we can, we will surround him, hit him with pepper spray then tazer him. When he is down, out come the hammers and Mr. X’s legs and hands get broken in many different places.
I would then explain to him that his choice of business location need to change or the next time he will not even hear what hits him. Overwhelming force applied correctly can and will often stop the need for things to escalate any farther. If Mr. X does not listen to reason the next step is called easy work and I won’t talk about it. I hope that this short article helps you understand the difference between how Violence Professionals view the use of force versus how two guys getting into an argument and fighting in a parking lot. Or how self-defense situations are completely different than getting on the wrong side of hard people."

 

[freyasman]

Start thinking of how you will survive and continue to support yourself and your family as a convicted felon; work it out now.
Start thinking of how you will manage a few years in gaol, because it is a possibility.

Like any other disaster that may befall you, a little time prepping now, is going to ease the suck factor later.

 

[freyasman]

Self-defense under a justice system that's no longer on your side

For anyone who believes in the rule of law , events over the past few months have been a horrifying eye-opener. It's now very clear that i...

bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com

From the link;
"For anyone who believes in the rule of law, events over the past few months have been a horrifying eye-opener. It's now very clear that in parts of our country, the rule of law no longer applies - or does so selectively, depending on your political views and/or the color of your skin. A few recent examples:

• Seattle police reportedly failed to respond to many calls for law enforcement support from in and around the so-called "CHOP" protest zone. When asked about this, the chief of police denied it, saying that if a call was an "important emergency 911 call" they would respond - but, in the absence of a responding officer, who's to say what's important or an emergency? It certainly appears that, if you were a law-abiding citizen in or near CHOP, you were on your own. However, if you used legitimate, legal force to defend yourself in the absence of law enforcement, would you care to guess who politically-correct local prosecutors would go after? Would it be the "protester" attacking you, or you for defending yourself? I think we all know the answer.
• A woman caught in a demonstration in Fredericksburg, VA called 911 for help after rioters jumped on her car. The 911 operator refused to send assistance, telling her the demonstration was a "sanctioned event" and advising her to call City Hall to complain.
• A couple in St. Louis, MO held firearms as they ordered protestors off their private property - fully in accordance with Missouri law. The local DA, a far-left-wing sympathizer elected with the massive financial assistance of George Soros, has now brought charges against the couple rather than those illegally on their property. The state's Attorney-General immediately filed suit to dismiss the charges, acknowledging that they were politically motivated on the part of the local DA.

I could cite many more examples, but those will suffice to make the point. There are now parts of the USA where the rule of law is no longer in effect, or at best is selectively enforced. They tend to be (but are not always) areas dominated by left-wing, progressive politics. Sadly, that includes most of America's larger cities.

In some such areas, if you legally and legitimately defend yourself against unjustified, illegal attack (particularly from "protesters" or "demonstrators", no matter how criminal their conduct), you are at least as likely as your attacker to face charges. This is usually a politically motivated decision, aimed at discouraging others from defending themselves - or, as the progressive left views it, "taking the law into your own hands". In many jurisdictions, the law explicitly recognizes our right to self-defense - but the left is determined to obscure that, and if possible nullify it through politically motivated lawsuits and criminal charges. (Hello, St. Louis.) If they can bankrupt enough honest citizens through court costs and lawyers' fees, and whip up emotions against them through biased, one-sided press releases, they think they'll intimidate others into shutting up and obeying them.

This is very bad news for all those of us who are determined not to be a victim; who are adamant that we will not be intimidated by the mob, and are prepared to defend ourselves against it if necessary. If "demonstrators" walk down our street, see our car parked in front of our home or a business, and trash it or set it on fire to "send a message", in many areas we will be expected to let them get away with it, and leave any response to the authorities - even if the latter can't be trusted to respond at all. (Hello, Seattle. Hello, Portland.) If something like this happens to you, and you defend yourself against your attackers, it's likely you'll be charged - not them.

Therefore, allow me to explain a few points about self-defense, and defense of your property, in areas where doing so might get you into trouble. I learned these lessons the hard way in areas of unrest, rioting and violence on another continent, as regular readers will understand. They kept many honest people alive and out of jail, and they may help you to do likewise.

In general, one can only be convicted of a crime on the basis of evidence. That may be eyewitness testimony, or surveillance video, or tests of bullets and cartridge cases found at the scene of a crime, or DNA evidence extracted from one's clothing, or anything like that. In the absence of evidence, it's very hard for the authorities to convict a suspect of anything. Therefore, if you suspect that efforts may be made to convict you of a crime even if you haven't committed one, it's a case of "the less evidence, the better".

You can't do much about eyewitnesses, particularly if they can't be trusted to tell the truth. I won't even try to address that problem here, except to note that false testimony is a very real risk, particularly in politicized, riotous areas. You should stay as far away from them as possible! Also, note that eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Witnesses can be "coached" by law enforcement or prosecutors to say whatever they want them to say. We won't be able to counter that in the absence of countervailing witness testimony - something that may not be available. A lot will also depend on how biased the jury may be. If they're all politically correct locals, and we're portrayed by the prosecution as an "outsider", or painted as a "racist" or "reactionary" or "conservative" . . . you get the picture.

As far as other evidence is concerned, the first thing is to look for what might provide it in your neighborhood, or areas that you frequent. Are there security cameras on businesses or buildings overlooking where you might have to act? (Don't forget innocuous-looking devices such as smart doorbells in residential areas - video from them has been used to catch criminals.) What about cameras mounted on light poles or buildings to cover the street? Many big cities now have thousands of them in law-enforcement-monitored networks, as well as gunfire location systems to detect when and where firearms are used, and send responding officers straight there. If you use a firearm to defend yourself, you may be recorded on video and audio by such systems, providing evidence that may be used to identify, arrest and convict you. Therefore, if you might have to take such action, you'll need to take that into account - particularly by avoiding areas where those are major concerns, or remaining as concealed as possible, or making yourself hard to recognize, while doing what's necessary and exiting the area.

(Law enforcement is already voicing concerns that face masks, mandatory in many areas thanks to the COVID-19 pandemic, will stop facial recognition systems from working correctly. I imagine large, dark sunglasses in combination with a face mask will render one almost unrecognizable. See? Even pandemics have upsides! However, facial recognition isn't the only risk. Gait analysis can also be used to identify you in security camera footage. There are ways to defeat such analysis, but we don't have space or time to go into them here.)

Of course, you may be fortunate enough to find yourself in an area where someone has disabled such systems. A camera with paint sprayed on its lens can't record anything. A gunfire location system with non-functional microphones can't hear anything - particularly after silenced .22 rifles have been used to shoot the microphones. Gang-bangers in many inner-city areas, both in the USA and abroad, routinely use such measures to protect themselves from surveillance. Extraneous interference can also temporarily disable such systems. For example, during the recent July 4th celebrations, there were reports that fireworks going off in close proximity to gunfire location systems, and in large quantities, confused their sensors and operators so much that they could no longer perform their primary function.

If you're forced to use a firearm to defend yourself, forensics experts can tie bullets at a crime scene to your weapon, and therefore to you. Bullets will have marks on them from the feed ramps and rifling of your weapon. However, bullets may not be recovered; or, even if they are, they may have deformed to such an extent that such marks are no longer clear (e.g. hollow- or soft-point ammo that expands and/or fragments in the body). Cartridge cases from semi-auto weapons are far more of a forensic threat. They will show the impact of the firing pin on the primer; scratches from steel magazine lips during the loading and feeding process; marks from the chamber walls; and more scratches and marks from the extractor and ejector after firing. Both bullets and cartridge cases may bear the fingerprints and/or skin oils and flakes of the person who loaded them into a firearm (although wiping the round carefully before it's loaded, and using gloves while doing so, will remove most of those traces).

The obvious answer is not to leave cartridge cases behind. However, you may not have time to look for them before you have to leave. Revolvers don't eject them automatically, which may be a useful advantage. AR-15's and similar weapons can be fitted with so-called "brass catchers" to collect empty cases as they're ejected, like this one.








Some models (see, for example, this one) don't require a rail mount; they use a strap with a hook-and-loop fastener to secure themselves, allowing them to be used with almost any long gun, even some shotguns or lever-action rifles. I would regard brass catchers as an absolutely essential precaution in any area of the USA bedeviled by a "politically correct" law enforcement and/or prosecution environment. (They're also very useful if you want to stop hot cartridge cases from hitting other people, for example at a shooting range with other shooters next to you, or if you may have to fire your weapon from within a vehicle and don't want hot brass bouncing around inside.)

By observing such precautions, law-abiding citizens fearing persecution from a law enforcement system that's become biased and one-sided can help to make unjust, partisan charges against them much harder to bring, and even more difficult to prove. Sadly, in this day and age, in some jurisdictions, that's no longer a far-fetched, remote possibility.

(EDITED TO ADD: I've written a follow-up article answering readers' questions and going into more detail. Please read it in conjunction with this one.)

Peter"

 

[Osiris-ODS]

If you are forced to defend yourself against scum then when they try to arrest you, defend yourself.

So suicide by cop, eh? The OP is right, as how many people do you think will jump at the opportunity to be a martyr for that cause?

You can say whatever you want about this on a message forum, the fact is when push comes to shove and a person in that situation has to make a decision, very few law abiding people in today's day and age would even consider shooting their way out of an arrest -- even one that's as unlawful and/or politically motivated (with 20/20 hindsight) as those described in the OP.

The era of air conditioned homes, pizza delivery, fully stocked supermarkets, and flat screen TVs with 24/7 content has made people too soft to even consider being among the first people to pull a trigger on principle at the risk of losing all of those decadent comforts by spending the rest of your life in a cage or dying

 

[freyasman]

If you are forced to defend yourself against scum then when they try to arrest you, defend yourself.

So suicide by cop, eh? The OP is right, as how many people do you think will jump at the opportunity to be a martyr for that cause?

You can say whatever you want about this on a message forum, the fact is when push comes to shove and a person in that situation has to make a decision, very few law abiding people in today's day and age would even consider shooting their way out of an arrest -- even one that's as unlawful and/or politically motivated (with 20/20 hindsight) as those described in the OP.

The era of air conditioned homes, pizza delivery, fully stocked supermarkets, and flat screen TVs with 24/7 content has made people too soft to even consider being among the first people to pull a trigger on principle at the risk of losing all of those decadent comforts by spending the rest of your life in a cage or dying

Shoot my way past the cops or make bail and let my lawyer earn the retainer I already paid him? And if he tells me things aren't going my way, I'm less than 4 hours from the border?



A whole lot of things are gonna have to change (or I'm going to have to be very pissed off) before that becomes a difficult decision.

 

[freyasman]

Stacking the deck in your favor....

MULTIPLE LINES OF DEFENSE | Gabe Suarez Blog

gabesuarez.com

From the link;

"We do live in interesting times and they have never been moreso since my arrival on American shores in 1967. As many of you know, my geo-political experience is very empirical, having lived these events that are now unfolding in the USA when I was a boy in Communist Cuba. As well I have walked streets of former communist nations in Central and Eastern Europe. It is coming and no amount of posturing, or whatever else law abiding Boy Scouts do will stop it. The only thing that will stop it, for a few more years...is the reelection of Donald Trump...but that is for another thread.

We know where the flashpoints have been and will continue to be. If you live in one of those places, and lets describe them in the next sentence, you should find a way out now. Those places are racially, socially and economically mixed with extreme democratic leadership and liberal policies. Look at all the places where there are riots, looting, large scale BLM and Antifa rallies...places that want to defund the police and raise taxes on business, the wealthy, and the successful. Those places are not where you want to live. Look for the opposite of those and then start your hunt.

What do we want?

Everyone needs to write that down and burn it into their soul. We want to -

1). Make as much money as we can and keep it.

2). We want to be left alone (some use the word "safe" but left alone means much more)

3). We want our families to be left alone to prosper and grow.

4). We want government out of our lives and businesses.

5). We want a good life

Those are the things we want whether you are an atheist or a devout Christian...a Jew or a Mormon...black or white. We will not get those things in every state, or every city in the USA so choose wisely. It may mean a pay cut, or a greater distance from extended family, etc. As the Knight said, "Choose wisely".

Once you arrive at your choices, note the various lines of defense...the last of which is you in plate armor defending your home with a rifle from looters in the dead of night. Its what we all talk about but quite a desperate place to be. So what comes before - in order of importance and effectiveness

1). A conservative city, in a conservative state that is run by conservative people. In AZ we have had some democrats in office...so has any other state you can name...but the cultural values and characteristics of AZ will never tolerate anything like defunding police, excessively taxing the rich (basically you and me), banning weapons, etc. The culture of the place is the first line of defense.

2). A population that is welcoming and modern, but intolerant of getting fucked with by outsiders or by government. That culture seems endemic to the southwest. I am not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere, but I have seen it most strongly in AZ. Not so much in New Mexico however. We want widespread freedom...as much as an organized society can see. That includes few gun laws, regular weapons carry, non-predatory police, little business and individual regulation.

This creates a culture that is prosperous and happy and isn't going to be intoxicated by the drums and trumpets of somebody else's cause or agenda. That is the first line of defense against the hordes infesting and destroying the cities like Portland and Chicago and others.

3). A police department that doesn't see every citizen as an adversary because in truth, they have not shown themselves to be that in the past...like they seem to in places that do not share the characteristics of items 1 and 2 above. An agency that sees itself as a part of the community that supports them 100% will not allow random street violence nor rioting, nor looting, nor any of the things still being seen in Seattle and Portland and other similar places.

This is the second line of defense.

4). A housing development and or area where, even though you may not be buddies with your neighbors, you will see them all turn out together to look for a lost child, control a fire until the fire fighters arrive...or form a firing line to deny access to a busload of looters and street terrorists. This is not only a rural effect. I saw the same things in Los Angeles in 1992 with the legendary "roof Koreans".

5). Finally, you own solitary ability to fight for your safety and your family and your future. Have weapons...know how to use them well and get your mind right about doing so, so when the moment of truth is presented to you, your reaction will not be an attempt to bargain, or to deny that it is now your turn. But rather face the moment with an evil smile that those who have chosen you have made a fatal mistake.

“Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, great and awesome, and fight for your brethren, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses.”

 

[freyasman]

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[SavannahMann]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I have written the same thing time and time again. So in compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department. I will reiterate once again.

First. Find out what the laws are in your State. Not what you think they should be. Not what you think is fair. Not what you imagine common sense would demand. Find out what they actually are. Because all your heroes listed broke the laws of their State.

Second. If God Forbid you do shoot someone. Do not talk to the cops. You may be the biggest LEO supporter in your town. You may have thin blue line crap all over your car. It does not matter. The cops are not your friend. Do not say a word until you have talked with a lawyer. Most people talk their way into trouble.

I could add some things. Like planning your responses so you are in compliance with the law. I could point out that the Baddies are probably about half as impressed with your gun as you are. The mere sight of it isn’t going to send them scurrying home in a panic.

 

[miketx]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

They'll have to kill me first.

 

[freyasman]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I have written the same thing time and time again. So in compliance with the Department of Redundancy Department. I will reiterate once again.

First. Find out what the laws are in your State. Not what you think they should be. Not what you think is fair. Not what you imagine common sense would demand. Find out what they actually are. Because all your heroes listed broke the laws of their State.

Second. If God Forbid you do shoot someone. Do not talk to the cops. You may be the biggest LEO supporter in your town. You may have thin blue line crap all over your car. It does not matter. The cops are not your friend. Do not say a word until you have talked with a lawyer. Most people talk their way into trouble.

I could add some things. Like planning your responses so you are in compliance with the law. I could point out that the Baddies are probably about half as impressed with your gun as you are. The mere sight of it isn’t going to send them scurrying home in a panic.

I agree that it is very important to know the law but not nearly as important as it is to understand the agenda...... the law may be ignored or misapplied. Happens all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned are being persecuted or prosecuted for breaking a law, it's being done to them because they stood up for themselves in defiance of those with an agenda. They can't allow that; examples must be made of them.

Give rioters an inch, and they'll take a yard - and the law may let them

A shocking video emerged over the weekend, showing a vehicle trying to get through a Black Lives Matter demonstration in Los Angeles, only ...

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From the link;
"As I've pointed out several times before (follow those 5 links for more information), many major US cities now have far-left-wing and progressive District Attorneys and prosecuting authorities who deliberately side with demonstrators and rioters (and other criminals) against law-abiding citizens. City Journal goes so far as to call it a "culture of lawlessness in D.A. offices".

Compared with his predecessor’s average conviction rates, [Philadelphia District Attorney] Krasner either dropped or lost 26 percent more of all felony cases. More robbery cases (up 14 percent) and auto theft cases (up 37 percent) were dropped or lost. In drug sales (not possession) cases, Krasner dismisses or loses 55 percent of cases, compared with the 34 percent rate of his predecessor.

. . .

Krasner is not alone in presiding over rising crime while dropping or losing felony cases at a record rate. In a survey of six jurisdictions where progressive district attorneys serve, every city or county logged a lower overall felony-conviction rate, as well as a lower conviction rate for violent or serious crimes, than did their predecessors. On average, the profiled prosecutors dropped 20 percent more felony cases. Crime has risen dramatically.

In Baltimore, America’s big-city murder capital, homicides have increased 65 percent under progressive prosecutor Marilyn Mosby. Our report shows that Mosby drops or loses many more felony cases than her immediate predecessor, who enjoyed a lower crime and murder rate. A felony defendant is 23 percent less likely to be convicted under Mosby. Felons in possession of a firearm are 46 percent less likely to be convicted. Even when they are convicted, they serve less prison time than before.

Independent analyses of other cities bear out our findings. Progressive prosecutor Kimberly Gardner in St. Louis, who infamously charged a couple who brandished firearms at protesters threatening to invade their home, loses at trial or drops cases at an astounding rate. Trial conviction rates fell to approximately 53 percent under Gardner, from 72 percent before her arrival. Gardner is pressing charges in only 23 percent of cases filed by police. The rest remain “pending.”

Similarly, a Chicago Tribune investigation confirmed our earlier findings that Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx dismissed 35 percent more felony cases than her predecessor and dropped nearly 40 percent of all felony cases 2019. These offenses include serious and violent crimes like homicides, sex crimes, assaults by gun, and attacks on police officers. Sadly, in the Windy City, Jussie Smollett isn’t the only one getting away with crime. Homicides and shootings are up 50 percent over last year as criminals go free.

The media tout many of these progressive prosecutors as righteous crusaders for justice—but in fact, they don’t deliver justice to the public or to crime victims. Elected prosecutors like Krasner have a duty to secure public safety. As the results in cities across the U.S. show, failing to prosecute dangerous and violent offenders only begets more crime and erodes trust in the justice system.

Again, more at the link.

What Andrew McCarthy calls "the Progressive Prosecutor Project" has been one of the far left's most successful efforts to undermine US society.

The key to understanding the Machiavellian brilliance of the Progressive Prosecutor Project is this: As a matter of constitutional law, no legislature or court has the power to order a prosecutor to charge any crime against any person. In our system, prosecution is exclusively an executive call. Practically speaking, short of voting a rogue district attorney out of office, there is no remedy for abusive discretionary omissions—decisions not to prosecute. To be sure, if a prosecutor performs some affirmative illegal act while enforcing the law, there are legal remedies available—motions to suppress evidence, lawsuits against government, potentially even prosecution. But omissions are a different story. It is nigh impossible to force prosecutors to take enforcement action. Thus, a willful district attorney has enormous power to install non-prosecution as the default policy.

Realizing this, the left’s social-justice warriors have grasped that the control of prosecutorial power may be the most effective route to rapid societal transformation. It is transformation driven not by law, logic, or a half-century’s empirical data on offense behavior and policing methods, but by cultural Marxist narratives: the criminal-justice system and its law-enforcement agencies as a superstructure reifying America’s pervasive racism, xenophobia, and forcible oppression of The Other.

Equally important, prosecutorial power is attainable at the ballot box. For the most part, district attorneys, who oversee state prosecution at the municipal level throughout the United States, are elected officials.

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In de facto one-party governance (Democratic), which controls most urban centers, the DA candidate runs virtually unopposed, the real contest limited to any intraparty vying for the nomination.

Consequently, DA positions have been ripe for the taking. Over the last few years, a network of progressive activists backed by big money has seized the day.

More at the link.

Go read Mr. McCarthy's article in full for a very useful summary of the situation. He says flatly, "the nation's crime busters are becoming criminal enablers". That leaves the rest of us - law-abiding citizens - in the lurch, particularly because progressive prosecutors will target us if we defend ourselves against their favored clients. What's more, they'll go on doing so no matter who's in the White House, or which party controls Congress or the Senate. They are, in so many words, laws unto themselves. They enable criminals and rioters.

Fortunately, there are still many jurisdictions where such prosecutors have not taken office. However, progressives are planning to expand their network across the nation. We need to be on our guard to ensure that they don't succeed. If you live in a place where they have succeeded, you need to take that into account if and when you're confronted with rioters and criminals. Successful self-defense is likely to lead to criminal charges, no matter how unjustified they may be, so that the prosecuting authorities can send a politically correct message to their supporters - and to their opponents."

 

[Cecilie1200]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I'm waiting for someone to decide to make a case that it's Unconstitutional to prosecute them for shooting rioters if the rioters aren't being prosecuted, because it's unequal application of the law. Or that the laws are no longer applicable, because the government has signaled that the laws are no longer in force by not enforcing them against rioters.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

They're lawyers themselves. Either they'll represent themselves, or they'll get a friend and colleague to do it. Also, they can be counted on to immediately start suing everyone they possibly can to recoup their losses.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

And things like GoFundMe won't allow them to use their services; they're in it too. I doubt FB would let someone fundraise for someone in this situation either.
Start thinking and planning now.

There are other ways to collect money. Did you hear that Kyle Rittenhouse's defense fund is over $2 million now?

 

[freyasman]

are going to need to get comfortable with the idea of being outlaws. Because you are no longer being given a choice in the matter.
Rittenhouse, Gardner, the McCloskeys, and dozens of others prove that you will be persecuted and prosecuted for doing nothing wrong. They will throw you in a cage if they fail to kill you, and they will destroy you if they can't keep you in a cage.


Stop thinking like a "good citizen" who hasn't done anything wrong, and thus has nothing to fear; we don't live in that world anymore.

I'm waiting for someone to decide to make a case that it's Unconstitutional to prosecute them for shooting rioters if the rioters aren't being prosecuted, because it's unequal application of the law. Or that the laws are no longer applicable, because the government has signaled that the laws are no longer in force by not enforcing them against rioters.

I'm sure someone will try, I'm not at all sure it will matter.

These are people who simply don't care what the law says. They're going to do whatever they think they can get away with and they aren't going to stop until someone makes them stop.

And that will be illegal...... because doing anything other than exactly what they say you can, always is. So until someone decides to go full outlaw (and accept the risks inherent in doing so) and hangs one of these fuckers from an overpass, they're just going to keep on, keeping on.

 

[freyasman]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

And things like GoFundMe won't allow them to use their services; they're in it too. I doubt FB would let someone fundraise for someone in this situation either.
Start thinking and planning now.

There are other ways to collect money. Did you hear that Kyle Rittenhouse's defense fund is over $2 million now?

But the point is, most avenues of doing so are closed to people who engage in "wrongthink"; find your alternatives now, while you have time and freedom.
It will be a lot harder to do from a county jail cell.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

It's still gonna suck though...... way more than you think, if you've never been through it.

I agree.

The left is using the legal system to financially destroy people.

The McCloskeys will win in court...but it will cost them a million dollars in lawyer fees...and the left knows it.

And things like GoFundMe won't allow them to use their services; they're in it too. I doubt FB would let someone fundraise for someone in this situation either.
Start thinking and planning now.

Yep, just exactly what happened to the one I just posted . Gofund me pulled down the pages created for his defense fund.

Pretty stupid business move on GoFundMe's part, if you ask me. They have competitors, but most people don't know them by name, so they just go straight to GoFundMe when they need such things. GoFundMe refusing to do business with them is just forcing them to go learn who the competitors are.

 

[freyasman]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo

Scroll through this and see if you think maybe these riots aren't being sponsored by the local DA....