A Florida teen was accepted into all eight Ivy League schools -- and seven other universities

[Mac-7]

Maybe because they didn't get in based on merit, which black people are always accused of but the legacy students seem to be given a pass on. And by having done so, displaced a more deserving student who would have qualified based on merit. Perhaps even a more qualified or meritorious person of color.

I would be happy with a strick merit based admission system like they have in Japan

Students who score highest get in first

No admission based on legacy or skin color

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I have nothing against the black girl

But if she were white she wouldnt rate the time of day from libs like you

That's your own biased opinion. I cheer on girls and women all of the time when they do something that others told they couldn't or wouldn't be able to do, even if they're not black, but especially at times when they are.

I cheer on boys who face challenges, the disabled, anyone who is oppressed and people who are targeted by others while they are worshiping.

You don't know anything about me but you certainly have drawn a lot of conclusions. Actually you all know very little about IM2 as well other than you don't like him because he won't sugar coat the truth in an attempt to make it more palatable when communication with you all as I sometimes do.

But there are days when trying to be tactful and diplomatic just isn't worth it and the truth comes out unvarnished. I don't do it intentionally to try to make anyone feel bad, especially about things you are not directly responsible for, but with all of the crap that you throw at us our words should always be unapologetically presented.

One would think that after all of this time that we've been posting on this site you have better insight into who we are as people but somehow you don't.

 

[IM2]

I’m not interested in ancient history

Today libdom is treating blacks as if they are incapable of succeeding without some unfair advantage

That ancient history is why you have what you have. Furthermore, it still goes on. The only unfair advantage is what whites have been given. Whites are the majority of the population, not the whole population. Whites are not entitled to all the jobs, promotions and college admissions. So if you think you're at a disadvantage because you get the majority of everything, then you're nothing more than a spoiled white man who believes his race entitles him to everything.

 

[IM2]

I would be happy with a strick merit based admission system like they have in Japan

Students who score highest get in first

No admission based on legacy or skin color

Well since whites have never achieved ANYTHING by merit, until the damage caused by that is fixed, it can't happen.

 

[IM2]

That's your own biased opinion. I cheer on girls and women all of the time when they do something that others told they couldn't or wouldn't be able to do, even if they're not black, but especially at times when they are.

I cheer on boys who face challenges, the disabled, anyone who is oppressed and people who are targeted by others while they are worshiping.

You don't know anything about me but you certainly have drawn a lot of conclusions. Actually you all know very little about IM2 as well other than you don't like him because he won't sugar coat the truth in an attempt to make it more palatable when communication with you all as I sometimes do.

But there are days when trying to be tactful and diplomatic just isn't worth it and the truth comes out unvarnished. I don't do it intentionally to try to make anyone feel bad, especially about things you are not directly responsible for, but with all of the crap that you throw at us our words should always be unapologetically presented.

One would think that after all of this time that we've been posting on this site you have better insight into who we are as people but somehow you don't.

These guys seem to think they have the right to tell us about how we should do things and we are just suppose to listen and say yessah, and yes ma'am. Those days are long gone. And while they tell us that is ancient history, they practice the same behavior as was done in those "ancient" days.

Lisa and Mac 7 sound like 2 whites in 1822. But they want to tell us how all that's in the past. So either these guys have severe dementia or they are willfully lying about how things really are. Of course they could be both as well.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

These guys seem to think they have the right to tell us about how we should do things and we are just suppose to listen and say yessah, and yes ma'am. Those days are long gone. And while they tell us that is ancient history, they practice the same behavior as was done in those "ancient" days.

Lisa and Mac 7 sound like 2 whites in 1822. But they want to tell us how all that's in the past. So either these guys have severe dementia or they are willfully lying about how things really are. Of course they could be both as well.

But I don't understand what it DOES for them.

 

[IM2]

But I don't understand what it DOES for them.

Apparently they are losers mad because they didn't get what they believe their whiteness entitled them to. So they come in here where they get other racists who cosign their hate.

 

[Lisa558]

I think you can know, going by her stated achievements and what her teachers have said about her, plus isn’t she a valedictorian? Why ignore that?

Did it say she’s a valedictorian? I don’t recall reading that. If so, that would lead me to believe she would have qualified even if she were white.

All this discussion is because of the Affirmative Action policies that favor blacks. If we get rid of these racist policies, then everyone would know that black students admitted to prestigious programs got in due to reasons not related to skin color.

 

[Lisa558]

Ivy League schools can put wokeness in place of qualifications. Exhibit A: David Hogg. Rejected by four no-name universities before he became a leftwing anti-gun shill, but accepted by Harvard

Yup. A neighbor of mine, who looks completely white, told me that she applied to a decent but not top university and was rejected. Knowing that she was 1/8th black, she applied to a much more competitive university, checking “black,” and was accepted.

 

[Lisa558]

Well we don't need a SCOTUS opinion to KNOW, that she's a hell of a lot more intelligent than you are, affirmative action or not.

That’s irrelevant, and no need for the personal insult.

What matters is whether she is more intelligent and capable than the whites rejected. Without AA giving unfair advantage to blacks, it wouldn’t even be a question.

 

[Mac-7]

That's your own biased opinion. I cheer on girls and women all of the time when they do something that others told they couldn't or wouldn't be able to do, even if they're not black, but especially at times when they are.

Your mistake is thinking anyone here wants black people to fail

But we dont blame their shortcomings on whites which is heresy in lib la la land

 

[katsteve2012]

No. You won’t. Because grades and test scores alone have NEVER been the sole basis.

No, that's not true. Because many more white students are not meeting the objective standards and are admitted due to legacy. You guys ignore that on purpose. Students of color who are qualified don't get seats because a below-standard white kid gets admitted because of legacy. This is the problem with your thinking. Only blacks can be unqualified and that is racist.

Maybe because they didn't get in based on merit, which black people are always accused of but the legacy students seem to be given a pass on. And by having done so, displaced a more deserving student who would have qualified based on merit. Perhaps even a more qualified or meritorious person of color.

Considering that the legacy admission rate at Harvard is 34%, it is far more likely that an "academically superior" applicant of ANY race would be passed over for a legacy admission. Of course the standard argument is that "It's just the way it is". But not necessarily, because there are schools out there that are moving away from favoring legacy admissions. Cal Tech, in Pasadena which is a great school, and MIT are two of them.

There will always be plenty of those who will believe that the presence of ANY successful Black person "HAD TO HAVE BEEN" at the expense of a more deserving White person.
So she will always face a certain degree of scrutiny from "some".

That will not change, and if she is as intelligent as her academic accolades suggest, she better learn that as well.

High Time to End Legacy Admissions | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

Admission to a place like Harvard, or any of its peer institutions, comes with the hope of social mobility for many students. But so long as the practice of legacy admissions prevails, this potential will be short-circuited. Children of Harvard alumni surely have many talents to offer the...

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[Lisa558]

Considering that the legacy admission rate at Harvard is 34%, it is far more likely that an "academically superior" applicant of ANY race would be passed over for a legacy admission. Of course the standard argument is that "It's just the way it is". But not necessarily, because there are schools out there that are moving away from favoring legacy admissions. Cal Tech, in Pasadena which is a great school, and MIT are two of them.

There will always be plenty of those who will believe that the presence of ANY successful Black person "HAD TO HAVE BEEN" at the expense of a more deserving White person.
So she will always face a certain degree of scrutiny from "some".

That will not change, and if she is as intelligent as her academic accolades suggest, she better learn that as well.

High Time to End Legacy Admissions | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

Admission to a place like Harvard, or any of its peer institutions, comes with the hope of social mobility for many students. But so long as the practice of legacy admissions prevails, this potential will be short-circuited. Children of Harvard alumni surely have many talents to offer the...

www.thecrimson.com

Not one person on this thread has said that she got in because she was black. We are pointing out that Harvard’s racist admissions policies, in which they themselves admitted that if they didn’t have lower standards for blacks, the black student body would drop by 14% to 3%, and thus the question arises.

There will always be doubt as to whether any black student was one of the 2/3rds for whom standards were lowered, or if they were among the 1/3rd who would have gotten in even if white.

Past time to abolish racism in colelgr admissions. The sad irony is those of us who want things to be colorblind are the ones falsely called racist, and those who want to continue to give special advantages based on skin color consider themselves non-racist.

 

[Lisa558]

Another point for consideration:

Would it REALLY be so horrible if a black student who only got into Harvard due to skin color (again, 2/3rds are in that position) instead went to another excellent university, albeit not Ivy League?

Take my dad. (I use him as an example a lot, but he’s so illustrative of the point.) He had the second-highest test score in his graduating year of the entire city - probably 100,000 students. The Ivy League still wouldn’t want him because he was Jewish, and besides, he didn’t have the money.

So he went to another excellent college, tuition-free, and went on to live a very successful life.

So would it be so horrible if a black student, still bright and capable but not Harvard standards (if measured under the white standards) went to Boston U instead?

 

[IM2]

Considering that the legacy admission rate at Harvard is 34%, it is far more likely that an "academically superior" applicant of ANY race would be passed over for a legacy admission. Of course the standard argument is that "It's just the way it is". But not necessarily, because there are schools out there that are moving away from favoring legacy admissions. Cal Tech, in Pasadena which is a great school, and MIT are two of them.

There will always be plenty of those who will believe that the presence of ANY successful Black person "HAD TO HAVE BEEN" at the expense of a more deserving White person.
So she will always face a certain degree of scrutiny from "some".

That will not change, and if she is as intelligent as her academic accolades suggest, she better learn that as well.

High Time to End Legacy Admissions | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

Admission to a place like Harvard, or any of its peer institutions, comes with the hope of social mobility for many students. But so long as the practice of legacy admissions prevails, this potential will be short-circuited. Children of Harvard alumni surely have many talents to offer the...

www.thecrimson.com

These guys are dishonest. They say this stuff about us knowing that they are the ones who have got all the help.

 

[katsteve2012]

Not one person on this thread has said that she got in because she was black. We are pointing out that Harvard’s racist admissions policies, in which they themselves admitted that if they didn’t have lower standards for blacks, the black student body would drop by 14% to 3%, and thus the question arises.

There will always be doubt as to whether any black student was one of the 2/3rds for whom standards were lowered, or if they were among the 1/3rd who would have gotten in even if white.

Past time to abolish racism in colelgr admissions. The sad irony is those of us who want things to be colorblind are the ones falsely called racist, and those who want to continue to give special advantages based on skin color consider themselves non-racist.Of course no one flat out "DIRECTLY STATED" that she was accepted "because she was Black", however it was certainly "IMPLIED", so let's not play semantics here.

Of course "no one" came out and stated DIRECTLY that "she got in because she is Black, however, it was IMPLIED enough to be obvious, so let's not play semantics.

As far as the rest of your speech about Harvard's "admissions policies", here is where your narrative about "DOUBT" over her academic qualifications, doesn't make any sense at all.

One would think that as someone who worked in admissions as you claim to have, that you would recognize that the possibility of ANY single individual being accepted to ALL 8 Ivy League colleges is unusual.



In fact, I recall reading that the possibilty is about 3-5%.

It does not seem likely that if she was a Valedictorian, and after being accepted to all of those universities, that there would still be "DOUBT" about her in any logical person's mind.

 

[Lisa558]

Of course "no one" came out and stated DIRECTLY that "she got in because she is Black, however, it was IMPLIED enough to be obvious, so let's not play semantics.

As far as the rest of your speech about Harvard's "admissions policies", here is where your narrative about "DOUBT" over her academic qualifications, doesn't make any sense at all.

One would think that as someone who worked in admissions as you claim to have, that you would recognize that the possibility of ANY single individual being accepted to ALL 8 Ivy League colleges is unusual in fact I recsll reading that the possibilty is about 3-5%.

It does not seem likely that if she was a Valedictorian, and after being accepted to all of those universities, that there would still be "DOUBT" about her in any logical person's mind.

No, it was never implied. That is you just doing what the leftists in favor of racist admissions standards like to do - ascribe words and thoughts to others in order to fit your narrative that people in support of race-blind admissions standards are racist. (Think of the irony in that.)

I have already stated that if she were valedictorian, she indeed was likely among the one out of three blacks admitted to Harvard who would have gotten in even if she were…..shudder….white. Whether she would have gotten in if Asian, well….that would have more questionable.

But think how much better things would be if skin tone were not a factor, and Harvard wasn’t being racist in their admissions standards. None of these questions would arise.

I also have said that in addition to coming at the cost of whites and Asians, the Affirmative Action racism also comes at the cost of black students, including the girl discussed here, because everyone knows of Harvard’s racist policies. Without them, ALL black students at Harvard would be known to employers as having gotten in via merit, and not melanin content.

Time to abolish racism at the admissions office, and Harvard is among the worst offenders.

 

[Flash]

Because he is a documented racist.
Archie Bunker type.

Reality is racism to you stupid Moon Bats.

 

[Mashmont]

I would be happy with a strick merit based admission system like they have in Japan

Students who score highest get in first

No admission based on legacy or skin color

Yep. What the left should be doing is asking "What can we do to help blacks reach those high standards"? Instead of lowering the standards.

 

[Mashmont]

Considering that the legacy admission rate at Harvard is 34%, it is far more likely that an "academically superior" applicant of ANY race would be passed over for a legacy admission. Of course the standard argument is that "It's just the way it is". But not necessarily, because there are schools out there that are moving away from favoring legacy admissions. Cal Tech, in Pasadena which is a great school, and MIT are two of them.

There will always be plenty of those who will believe that the presence of ANY successful Black person "HAD TO HAVE BEEN" at the expense of a more deserving White person.
So she will always face a certain degree of scrutiny from "some".

That will not change, and if she is as intelligent as her academic accolades suggest, she better learn that as well.

High Time to End Legacy Admissions | Opinion | The Harvard Crimson

Admission to a place like Harvard, or any of its peer institutions, comes with the hope of social mobility for many students. But so long as the practice of legacy admissions prevails, this potential will be short-circuited. Children of Harvard alumni surely have many talents to offer the...

www.thecrimson.com

All the author and publisher of the story had to do was publish her grades and scores. Then there wouldn't be any speculation as to her qualifications. But they don't do that, and we know the reason they don't.